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concerns buying lye?

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rudraksha

rudraksha

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just got some lye from home hardware, and was asked for my id which he recorded my name off of in a book (didnt realise they did this). just wondering if this would ever be something to worry about? he didn't quite get my last name right (only the second part of my hyphenated last name). The only reason i'd worry about this is that a package i ordered containing ACRB was recently opened by canadian customs as well, seems far fetched the two would ever be put together but still not so comforting... what do you guys think?
 
Me, I would not worry a jot. The lye is for the drains and the ACRB is for your dye production hobby. If you worry about a knock on the door you'll never rest. It's hardly a threat to civilised society (of which I am sure you are a valuable member)!

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Parshvik Chintan said:
if you are concerned, calcium hydroxide is a viable alternative.

and it is food/safe and non-caustic.
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hmm guess i missed info about this, sounds like a better bet for next time. thanks!

What a substance said:
Me, I would not worry a jot. The lye is for the drains and the ACRB is for your dye production hobby. If you worry about a knock on the door you'll never rest. It's hardly a threat to civilised society (of which I am sure you are a valuable member)!
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very true, thanks for the reassurance. now to go unclog my shower drain and make some cool tye dye shirts.
 
rudraksha said:
just got some lye from home hardware, and was asked for my id which he recorded my name off of in a book (didnt realise they did this).
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Not good.

Why would you willingly provide your ID? There is no law requiring ID for the purchase of lye.

There is a good chance he knows something is up and will report you. If I were in your position I would refrain from ANY extractions and make sure your house is free of illegal materials. I don't mean to sound alarmist but you should not have so willingly provided your information.

Pay cash. Refuse any requests for ID. Or walk out.
 
yeah... i paid cash, and he took my name down partially incorrectly, which is hopefully good. Would doubt he's going to report me (younger dude with a long beard and hair, if he did suspect anything he looks like someone who wouldn't try to make things hard for me), but none the less part of my name is in his book which i'm not happy about that. I really shoulda argued it i think, but didnt really react on the spot very well. looked to me like it was a standard procedure as there was alot of names written down in there. I'l make sure my place is clean. felt pretty stupid walking out of there...
 
It may not be law but when they do that it is store policy. I know that they ID if your going to buy cans of spray paint. Which IMO is also of no concern.

They take your name down but rarely do anything, usually only if they suspect something. Which a lot of times employees are told what too look for. Like buying certain things together. If they see your name multiple different times buying certain products or LOTS of lye that is when you get reported. I wouldnt worry at all, especially since they got your name wrong. You can deny it, its not your name it wasnt you.

If I get a ticket and they record my name wrong on it the ticket will get dropped. Purchasing lye in a store is not grounds for a search, and they usually investigate before hand in order to get a warrant so I don't see why you should worry at all.
 
If you didn't buy the lye in conjunction with another related known extraction chemical like naphtha, acetone, xylene, etc I personally wouldn't worry about it.

It's like buying pseudoephedrine in the states. They ask for your ID and record that you bought it but if your buying habits are that you buy it randomly once or twice a year you'll never be on radar.

Personally if you were to refuse to provide ID for something like lye in a hardware store it would seem more suspicious if you refused and walked out, at least to me anyways. Especially since lye has practical uses outside of this hobby.

The part about the Canadian customs opening your package, I don't know what to tell you. They may have recorded it they may have not. I'm assuming that since it got past customs it wasn't something they were too concerned about. Who knows though?

If customs recorded specifically that it was ACRB and then see you bought lye two days later yea might be of concern... It's all about plausible deniability so maybe next time don't buy them in conjunction with received packages like ACRB.
 
ConsciousFeeder said:
Personally if you were to refuse to provide ID for something like lye in a hardware store it would seem more suspicious if you refused and walked out, at least to me anyways.
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Well there's some strange logic...

If you do not give them your ID, suspicious or not, who cares? If they do not have your information there there is nothing they can do because they have no idea who you are.

Contrast that with being less suspicious but giving them your name, address, DOB, etc. attached to the purchase of sodium hydroxide. Now they can easily submit your information to a database where your purchase habits are logged. Sodium hydroxide has specific applications for drug production and you can bet any purchase will be submitted to a permanent database. (Remember it is used for explosives production as well and the US Gvmt is logging ALL this stuff.)

If they ask for your ID, refuse and walk away.
 
a1pha said:
ConsciousFeeder said:
Personally if you were to refuse to provide ID for something like lye in a hardware store it would seem more suspicious if you refused and walked out, at least to me anyways.
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Well there's some strange logic...

If you do not give them your ID, suspicious or not, who cares? If they do not have your information there there is nothing they can do because they have no idea who you are.

Contrast that with being less suspicious but giving them your name, address, DOB, etc. attached to the purchase of sodium hydroxide. Now they can easily submit your information to a database where your purchase habits are logged. Sodium hydroxide has specific applications for drug production and you can bet any purchase will be submitted to a permanent database. (Remember it is used for explosives production as well and the US Gvmt is logging ALL this stuff.)

If they ask for your ID, refuse and walk away.
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Well if you look at it from the cashiers point of view I would say it would be more suspicious. I think if he really cared about all of that above information he probably would have recorded his name correctly to say the least?

I do see what your saying though about being in a database but if he only recorded a name, and a misspelled name at that, he probably wasn't very concerned or alarmed that he was buying lye he was just going by company policy, which probably states for certain chemicals to ID.
 
ConsciousFeeder said:
Well if you look at it from the cashiers point of view I would say it would be more suspicious. I think if he really cared about all of that above information he probably would have recorded his name correctly to say the least?
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Again, who cares if it is more suspicious? If you refuse to provide your information then there's nothing they can do and no way for them to record your purchase. The cashier incorrectly recording his name means nothing since he most likely recorded his DL number as well.

ConsciousFeeder said:
I do see what your saying though about being in a database but if he only recorded a name, and a misspelled name at that, he probably wasn't very concerned or alarmed that he was buying lye he was just going by company policy, which probably states for certain chemicals to ID.
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The misspelling was most likely a fluke. If you think a simple misspelling protects you in any way then you are fooling yourself. Databases these days account for this and the cashier probably recorded the DL number as well as other identifying information.

Be smart, pay CASH and NEVER give your ID when purchasing suspicious chemicals.
 
a1pha said:
rudraksha said:
just got some lye from home hardware, and was asked for my id which he recorded my name off of in a book (didnt realise they did this).
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Not good.

Why would you willingly provide your ID? There is no law requiring ID for the purchase of lye.

There is a good chance he knows something is up and will report you. If I were in your position I would refrain from ANY extractions and make sure your house is free of illegal materials. I don't mean to sound alarmist but you should not have so willingly provided your information.

Pay cash. Refuse any requests for ID. Or walk out.
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I have to second this.

I also live in Canada, bought lye from home hardware, and received some acrb in the mail (which customs did not open, however). When I purchased my lye they did not ask for ID. The cashier asked if I was making soap :D to which I replied, "Yeah, my girlfriend is a vegan, you know, those hippy types." We chuckled, I paid cash, and she said to have a nice day.

I don't want to make you paranoid, but I would definitely hold off on the extraction for at least a little while. You cannot be too careful.

Like a1pha says, next time someone asks for your ID in a situation like that; refuse. Walk out. Simple as that.
 
I truly dislike getting in any database and I would never give out my name or address or postal code if they ask for it.


In cases like this one I would ask them why they want my name.

When they reply with something like 'anti-criminal purposes' or 'just policy', I would tell them that I dislike getting my name in any databases and that I already get enough spam send to my home. Almost everybody dislikes spam and will understand this worry.

When they insist that it will not be used for anything like that I stay skeptical and state that I do not believe that since that trick was used on me before resulting in even more spam.

I would Tell them I either buy it without giving my name or that I will not buy it at all and go somewhere else. Making them feel awkward about it instead of me.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
If you have friends who you plan on sharing your DMT with, give them the money and get them to buy the ingredients for you in exchange for free trips, that way everyone stays safe. I have several different friends who buy the bark & lye for me. The naphtha I just buy myself with cash at several different hardware stores. In the future, leave no paper trail, but I seriously doubt you have anything to worry about.
 
IDK about up north, but in some part of the states, they log who buys certain chemicals/precursors because there are big meth problems in some areas. I'd be willing to bet thats the reason for logging your lye purchase.

As long as your don't go around buying a lot of solvents, or acids and bases used in methamphetamine production, you should be fine. Once again, a very good excuse for buying lye would be soap production.

Hell if you really want to cover your ass, make some soap as well. Theres your excuse for having lye, though you could legitimately need it to clear your drains as well.

I don't think the two are related (logging your name, possibly to be put in a database), and the customs inspection of your ACRB.

But i would be a bit more cautious, and not buy anything that could be considered a methamphetamine precursor/extraction supply, or import any scheduled drug containing plants in the near future.

Thats my take on it, i don't think the two are related, but just be safe. Clear your house, and hold off on any extractions if you feel its warranted.
 
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