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[Coteote]

Hi there. I'm a middle aged family guy with scattered psychedelic experiences over a lifetime. I like LSD though I would not impress anyone with my dosages and rarely have time. I do have an outdoor patch of Psilocybin cyanescens that I am trying to encourage. The main reason I joined this group is to help me develop some cultural practices that will benefit these particular organisms. I feel blessed to have the opportunity to partake of these and I hope to understand more of what they need as well as what we as humans need by engaging in this activity. I am also very curious about how people describe their experiences and eventually I hope to make a worthy contribution. I appreciate the wealth of information this group has and hope we all get along well. Thanks.

 

[Nydex]

Hello, @Coteote,

Welcome to the Nexus! It's good to have you as part of our community.

We share a love for LSD, and I have to say - you don't need to impress anyone with anything. The dosage, especially with LSD, means little without context. Large doses, while providing hard to describe mystical experiences that open doors which shall never again close shut, are also quite difficult to do deep emotional work with. On the other hand, smaller doses of LSD have insanely high therapeutic potential and have allowed me to do some exceptionally deep emotional work which, realistically speaking, saved my life twice.

Wavy caps are dope, I've never had them, but people that have worked with them say only good things. I'm in the process of preparing to grow Panaeolus cyanescens and am very excited to start working with this wonderful creature. Feeling blessed, as you say. I'm sure the contribution you will make based on your work with the mushroom will be an excellent addition to our ever-growing wealth of varied experience.

I'm curious - what's the most profound lesson psychedelics have taught you? What's the grandest, most "out there" idea that has ever been produced by your mystical experience of the beyond?

Take care, and see you around!

 

[acacian]

Welcome Coteote! Sounds like you will fit in here nicely. Fellow admirer of LSD here.. it was my first experience and holds a special place in my heart. Would be great if you share some of your experiences when you’re ready. Have you tried DMT before?

Your cyanescens are looking great.

Glad to have you on board.

 

[Coteote]

I've never tried DMT but it's of interest for sure. For me it's toughest to find appropriate times, sets, and settings. The most attractive part of what i heard about DMT is it's relatively short duration. So, one of these days I can see doing it.

And so most profound thing taken in from tripping? Why is it so hard to explain these experiences? In some particularly difficult to describe experience, I recognized that prior to being alive, I had chosen to experience life just as I had chosen to trip, like, without a full understanding of what it was going to be like. I get out of it what I put into it but haven't got a clue WTF I am doing. Integration of this into daily life gives me a baseline attitude of enjoying surprises and generally an adventurous spirit. Everything is interesting to curious minds and letting the mushroom drive my body and brain has demonstrated IT too is curious about us. We're different organisms trying to share a path in the universe. Maybe it won't do any real good or 'save' the world, but with a good attitude we both (the mushroom and the human)can have some real fun before the whole thing eats itself.

Thanks for the welcome, I am excited to exchange ideas and whatever knowledge or wisdom I may have.

 

[Transform]

Hi Coteote!

Lovely to see those pics of Ps. cyanescens - they, and similar woodlovers, can be so rewarding to grow. Many moons ago there were some in the garden of my previous place. That and various other wild/feral collections led to some deep experiences.

Have you had the chance to partake yet? Cyanescens went down very (too) well in a miso soup. I seem to recall them being quite diuretic on occasion, at higher doses - but fortunately never experienced the dreaded 'woodlover paralysis', which, thinking about it, could have got a bit messy.

 

[acacian]

I've never tried DMT but it's of interest for sure. For me it's toughest to find appropriate times, sets, and settings. The most attractive part of what i heard about DMT is it's relatively short duration. So, one of these days I can see doing it.

And so most profound thing taken in from tripping? Why is it so hard to explain these experiences? In some particularly difficult to describe experience, I recognized that prior to being alive, I had chosen to experience life just as I had chosen to trip, like, without a full understanding of what it was going to be like. I get out of it what I put into it but haven't got a clue WTF I am doing. Integration of this into daily life gives me a baseline attitude of enjoying surprises and generally an adventurous spirit. Everything is interesting to curious minds and letting the mushroom drive my body and brain has demonstrated IT too is curious about us. We're different organisms trying to share a path in the universe. Maybe it won't do any real good or 'save' the world, but with a good attitude we both (the mushroom and the human)can have some real fun before the whole thing eats itself.

Thanks for the welcome, I am excited to exchange ideas and whatever knowledge or wisdom I may have.

Awesome .. sounds like you have integrated your experiences really well and found your groove in life. I think that even if it doesn’t immediately change the world in an obvious way, that the benefits you glean from the experience can have a profound ripple effect on those around you. Might just be that you smile a little more than before, or feel more compassion towards others.. but I think that has a positive effect on the world - even if it doesn’t dismantle all of the wrongs on the planet straight away.

Smile at someone down the street and they might carry a smile to the next person they walk past.. and suddenly lots of people are having a pretty nice day.

The short duration of DMT does come in very handy at times. You can go really deep with it and 15 minutes later your back to baseline and sweet to attack the rest of the day. I’ll look forward to hearing how your first experience goes when you get to trying it. No rush of course.. it’s not going anywhere!

 

[Starman]

Welcome to the Nexus @Coteote!

Beautiful photo of the Ps. cyanescens, is it your own?

I've never tried DMT but it's of interest for sure. For me it's toughest to find appropriate times, sets, and settings. The most attractive part of what i heard about DMT is it's relatively short duration. So, one of these days I can see doing it.

And so most profound thing taken in from tripping? Why is it so hard to explain these experiences? In some particularly difficult to describe experience, I recognized that prior to being alive, I had chosen to experience life just as I had chosen to trip, like, without a full understanding of what it was going to be like. I get out of it what I put into it but haven't got a clue WTF I am doing. Integration of this into daily life gives me a baseline attitude of enjoying surprises and generally an adventurous spirit. Everything is interesting to curious minds and letting the mushroom drive my body and brain has demonstrated IT too is curious about us. We're different organisms trying to share a path in the universe. Maybe it won't do any real good or 'save' the world, but with a good attitude we both (the mushroom and the human)can have some real fun before the whole thing eats itself.

Thanks for the welcome, I am excited to exchange ideas and whatever knowledge or wisdom I may have.

It's one of the great qualities that set DMT apart that you don't need to set aside much time to do it. It's also very easy to experiment with and find your desired strength level with minimal consequence if you dose wrong. In my experience at least, it also feels like the most natural experience -- like it's unlocking something from within rather than a reaction to a foreign substance. Best of luck if you ever decide to go down this path!

 

[Coteote]

Hi Coteote!

Lovely to see those pics of Ps. cyanescens - they, and similar woodlovers, can be so rewarding to grow. Many moons ago there were some in the garden of my previous place. That and various other wild/feral collections led to some deep experiences.

Have you had the chance to partake yet? Cyanescens went down very (too) well in a miso soup. I seem to recall them being quite diuretic on occasion, at higher doses - but fortunately never experienced the dreaded 'woodlover paralysis', which, thinking about it, could have got a bit messy.

I usually munch one here or there like a microdose, and take a more sizable dose once or twice a year. I have gotten the chills on these mushrooms. Higher doses can lead to some very unexpected perceptions. 2 dry grams is about as much as I am cool with. A friend took 2.5 and should not have. We're all OK now but I did learn they are super strong.

 

[Coteote]

Anyway if anyone reading this can share experiences managing an outdoor patch of Psilocybin cyanescens I would greatly appreciate it. So far I have been adding alder chips exclusively. There are plants in pots very near one of the original flushes and there are many caps throughout this area. My idea is that most of these plants probably contain enough mycelium to maybe take off if planted in the best way. Wondering about adding other hardwood chips to increase yield. Also I have only harvested maybe a third of the mushrooms this year. Last year was pretty light and years past I picked too many I think. Also I don't generally water except those nursery plants. Would it be better for me to go ahead and add water in summer in any areas with woodchips and see if that increases fruiting? Currently they grow near an old rhododendron, evergreen huckleberry, Madrona, and creeping mahonia. Also fir and hemlock. I have cedar trees also and I think the mushrooms don't really like being too close to them. I figure if someone could find a shady area with some of these plants already established, add some woodchips and plant a couple of these nursery plants they might grow. Seems like it should work. I have given a couple friends plants and instructions but so far nothing has come of it.

 

[Coteote]

Fresh cap

 

[Transform]

Anyway if anyone reading this can share experiences managing an outdoor patch of Psilocybin cyanescens I would greatly appreciate it. So far I have been adding alder chips exclusively. There are plants in pots very near one of the original flushes and there are many caps throughout this area. My idea is that most of these plants probably contain enough mycelium to maybe take off if planted in the best way. Wondering about adding other hardwood chips to increase yield. Also I have only harvested maybe a third of the mushrooms this year. Last year was pretty light and years past I picked too many I think. Also I don't generally water except those nursery plants. Would it be better for me to go ahead and add water in summer in any areas with woodchips and see if that increases fruiting? Currently they grow near an old rhododendron, evergreen huckleberry, Madrona, and creeping mahonia. Also fir and hemlock. I have cedar trees also and I think the mushrooms don't really like being too close to them. I figure if someone could find a shady area with some of these plants already established, add some woodchips and plant a couple of these nursery plants they might grow. Seems like it should work. I have given a couple friends plants and instructions but so far nothing has come of it.

Great stuff, I'll see about digging out some old photos and adding a few technical hints.

 

[newusername1]

Hey, welcome coteote. There aren't that many people who're growing these woodlovers. I believe many people here will be very interested to hear about your knowledge about and experiences with growing them.

It is probably wise indeed not to water them directly. In nature these things usually don't grow in places where rainfall accumulates. If you have a spot where they're growing, i think just adding woodchips or sawdust is probably the only kind of maintenance that's realy necessary to keep it going on.

 

[🌺🔥🫧]

Welcome

 

[Transform]

just adding woodchips or sawdust is probably the only kind of maintenance that's realy necessary to keep it going on.

Great results were seen from using a plastic mesh potato sack full of mixed hardwood chips (beech, oak and maple) that were pre-fermented by fully submerging them in rainwater for a couple of months in plastic bin with a tightly fitting lid. The sack was weighted down with a brick or two to keep the therein contained chips under water, and some kind of plastic basket helped to keep the bricks in place on top of the sack.

After the fermentation period was complete, the sack was removed from the now stinking water, and the brown slime which coated the chips was washed off using a hosepipe attached to a chlorinated mains water supply. Once the chips had been freshened up nicely, they were placed in a large, opaque plastic tub of somewhat more than four times the volume of the chips, such that they formed a layer about 15-20 cm deep. This tub had small drainage holes in the corners, and was fitted with an elasticated cover of polypropylene 'tarpaulin'.

To inoculate the tubs, a mycelial culture previously had been prepared from either a tissue sample or stem butts from an earlier accession, by allowing the mycelium first to colonise corrugated cardboard which had been soaked with freshly boiled water, then drained, rinsed and cooled. After several weeks, the colonised cardboard was used to inoculate hickory smoker chips which had been boiled until fully hydrated (they sink). The boiled chips were placed in new, clean, plastic takeaway (takeout?) boxes along with a piece or two of colonised cardboard per box. These took a couple of months to colonise, so the sacks of wood chips could be placed to ferment immediately after preparing these inoculation cultures.

One final touch, once the large tubs were fully colonised, was to add a thin casing layer of damp, brown forest leaves. This method worked for Ps. cyanescens, as well as Ps. ovoideocystidiata, the latter of which, with its highly aggressive mycelium, could be fed almost continuously with all sorts of woody (and even certain non-woody) debris, including used paper tissues, tropical hardwood spoons and human hair! It rather does make one wonder if it would consume corpses of small animals, and even without that it makes a rewarding species for experimentation with other unusual substrates, since it also appeared to be attacking the plastic tub - maybe the plasticisers were tasty, at least?

The main growing tub was kept somewhere sheltered and permanently shaded, but still getting plenty of fresh air. Casual cultures in wood-chip-mulched planter troughs gave fewer and smaller fruits, in accordance with the bulk of substrate available. The large tub could be topped up - after first removing the casing layer - with an inch or two of new, soaked/fermented chips for several years.

For further information, refer to the works of Paul Stamets, and also a very nice little book by L. G. Nicholas & Kerry Ogame.

 

[Coteote]

Great results were seen from using a plastic mesh potato sack full of mixed hardwood chips (beech, oak and maple) that were pre-fermented by fully submerging them in rainwater for a couple of months in plastic bin with a tightly fitting lid. The sack was weighted down with a brick or two to keep the therein contained chips under water, and some kind of plastic basket helped to keep the bricks in place on top of the sack.

After the fermentation period was complete, the sack was removed from the now stinking water, and the brown slime which coated the chips was washed off using a hosepipe attached to a chlorinated mains water supply. Once the chips had been freshened up nicely, they were placed in a large, opaque plastic tub of somewhat more than four times the volume of the chips, such that they formed a layer about 15-20 cm deep. This tub had small drainage holes in the corners, and was fitted with an elasticated cover of polypropylene 'tarpaulin'.

To inoculate the tubs, a mycelial culture previously had been prepared from either a tissue sample or stem butts from an earlier accession, by allowing the mycelium first to colonise corrugated cardboard which had been soaked with freshly boiled water, then drained, rinsed and cooled. After several weeks, the colonised cardboard was used to inoculate hickory smoker chips which had been boiled until fully hydrated (they sink). The boiled chips were placed in new, clean, plastic takeaway (takeout?) boxes along with a piece or two of colonised cardboard per box. These took a couple of months to colonise, so the sacks of wood chips could be placed to ferment immediately after preparing these inoculation cultures.

One final touch, once the large tubs were fully colonised, was to add a thin casing layer of damp, brown forest leaves. This method worked for Ps. cyanescens, as well as Ps. ovoideocystidiata, the latter of which, with its highly aggressive mycelium, could be fed almost continuously with all sorts of woody (and even certain non-woody) debris, including used paper tissues, tropical hardwood spoons and human hair! It rather does make one wonder if it would consume corpses of small animals, and even without that it makes a rewarding species for experimentation with other unusual substrates, since it also appeared to be attacking the plastic tub - maybe the plasticisers were tasty, at least?

The main growing tub was kept somewhere sheltered and permanently shaded, but still getting plenty of fresh air. Casual cultures in wood-chip-mulched planter troughs gave fewer and smaller fruits, in accordance with the bulk of substrate available. The large tub could be topped up - after first removing the casing layer - with an inch or two of new, soaked/fermented chips for several years.

For further information, refer to the works of Paul Stamets, and also a very nice little book by L. G. Nicholas & Kerry Ogame.

Outstanding. Thank you for your research. I think we're on a good track. Very exciting and interesting.

 

[Transform]

Great stuff, I'll see about digging out some old photos and adding a few technical hints.

Psil. cyanescens in a planter tub, with lamb's lettuce for a lovely healthy salad


Moss also makes a good casing layer - but try not to be on vacation when the things finally fruit!


The joy of ovoideocystidiata. Note the leaf mould casing.


They can get rather big.