i had 2 lbs of cacti powder made into tea, one of the lbs i used to extract with dlimo...
so upon trying to use my d-limo from last year (been using it for a whole year) i found that the last few extractions produced less than quality results. slightly discouraged with my technique i began studying up and proposing new plans. regardless my efforts the outcome was still the same weak mesc/ poor pulling ability/ discolored. i tried doing acid washes on it to try to "clean" it, they worked to some extent, however the d-limo never returned to its original clear state.
i came to the conclusion that d-limo has limited uses when i was extracting 454g cacti powder made into tea and bassified post decanting. having a yield of less than a gram, i at first cursed the vendor. well maybe hcl just isnt the way, since the last few attempts werent a great product anyway. so i looked at fasw and gave it a go. meager yield still. i thought maybe i wasnt pulling right before salting, so i tried microwaved assisted pulls by boiling my extraction in the microwave for a few minutes/stirring intermittently. sure the d-limo took on a dark color giving me hope but when it was salted it yielded a dark salt that when cleaned most of the color and alot of the weight was removed, again about 00.3% yield.
all the hcl i ate from the last few d-limo extractions, even before this tea extraction i extracted from achuma to get a rather impotent hcl salt... it was discouraging. at one point i ate a gram and wondered why i hadnt lost my mind, instead i was mildy innebriated and had a bit of a body load that eclipsed the psychoactivity
i thought maybe my salting technique was wrong so i tried everything from a ph of 1-6, from <1%hcl to 8% hcl. it didnt matter what i used to salt with the outcome was still the same, it was just a matter of how much liquid i had to evap and how much cleaning i needed to do.
i pretty much lost hope on this cacti powder but then finally went and got some fresh xylene. did a pull on the other (exact same liquid as the d-limo experiments) and found that when i salted with fasa a shower of xtals appeared. baffaled i filtered them out, dried them, washed with acetone, rehydrated and filtered, evapped, yielded a gram of fumarates! i tasted them and then tasted fumaric acid, they were different, as well as texture/consistancy and color. i tested 266mg of these fumarates and had a great time, they kicked in about 4 hours in and were a nice nice change from the many failed hcl attempts with d-limo.
i pulled for a few more days and salted everything with fasa to see the xtals form, then decided to dissolve it all hcl solution and salt more just to make sure everything was converted to hcl and all alkaloids were retrieved (sometimes fasa takes a few days to totally precip all the alkaloids, considering i dont leave my extractions @ in between states i opted to get all the alks via hcl solution immediately)
after collecting the salts and evapping, i cleaned with boiling acetone and then froze the test tube, decanted the dirty acetone and rehydrated the hcl, some of it didnt dissolve (which has been the case for all the hcl ive ever worked with, i think it has something to do with the either 1. the limited amount of water i use cant dissolve all the alkaloids quick enough, 2. some of the non mesc alkaloids arent immediately water soluble as hcl.) anyway i revapped the cleaned solution on a hot plate and yielded 2.25 g hcl + the 1 g of fumarates from the first pull = 3.25g salts from 454 g. not as terrible of a yield as the less than a gram of impotent salt from d-limo.
conclusions:
fresh solvent is key
fasa is cool but hcl is more efficient (will test xylene hcl to see if its potent, unlike the d-limo salt on friday)
observations:
1g hcl from old dlimo was weaker than 266 mg fumarates from fresh xylene, wtf?! ( i even fasted on the 1 g!!!! and not on the 266, i have also taken 350, 500, 200 mg hcl doses with varying amounts of eating and all were less than the 266 fumarates non fasted)
so upon trying to use my d-limo from last year (been using it for a whole year) i found that the last few extractions produced less than quality results. slightly discouraged with my technique i began studying up and proposing new plans. regardless my efforts the outcome was still the same weak mesc/ poor pulling ability/ discolored. i tried doing acid washes on it to try to "clean" it, they worked to some extent, however the d-limo never returned to its original clear state.
i came to the conclusion that d-limo has limited uses when i was extracting 454g cacti powder made into tea and bassified post decanting. having a yield of less than a gram, i at first cursed the vendor. well maybe hcl just isnt the way, since the last few attempts werent a great product anyway. so i looked at fasw and gave it a go. meager yield still. i thought maybe i wasnt pulling right before salting, so i tried microwaved assisted pulls by boiling my extraction in the microwave for a few minutes/stirring intermittently. sure the d-limo took on a dark color giving me hope but when it was salted it yielded a dark salt that when cleaned most of the color and alot of the weight was removed, again about 00.3% yield.
all the hcl i ate from the last few d-limo extractions, even before this tea extraction i extracted from achuma to get a rather impotent hcl salt... it was discouraging. at one point i ate a gram and wondered why i hadnt lost my mind, instead i was mildy innebriated and had a bit of a body load that eclipsed the psychoactivity
i thought maybe my salting technique was wrong so i tried everything from a ph of 1-6, from <1%hcl to 8% hcl. it didnt matter what i used to salt with the outcome was still the same, it was just a matter of how much liquid i had to evap and how much cleaning i needed to do.
i pretty much lost hope on this cacti powder but then finally went and got some fresh xylene. did a pull on the other (exact same liquid as the d-limo experiments) and found that when i salted with fasa a shower of xtals appeared. baffaled i filtered them out, dried them, washed with acetone, rehydrated and filtered, evapped, yielded a gram of fumarates! i tasted them and then tasted fumaric acid, they were different, as well as texture/consistancy and color. i tested 266mg of these fumarates and had a great time, they kicked in about 4 hours in and were a nice nice change from the many failed hcl attempts with d-limo.
i pulled for a few more days and salted everything with fasa to see the xtals form, then decided to dissolve it all hcl solution and salt more just to make sure everything was converted to hcl and all alkaloids were retrieved (sometimes fasa takes a few days to totally precip all the alkaloids, considering i dont leave my extractions @ in between states i opted to get all the alks via hcl solution immediately)
after collecting the salts and evapping, i cleaned with boiling acetone and then froze the test tube, decanted the dirty acetone and rehydrated the hcl, some of it didnt dissolve (which has been the case for all the hcl ive ever worked with, i think it has something to do with the either 1. the limited amount of water i use cant dissolve all the alkaloids quick enough, 2. some of the non mesc alkaloids arent immediately water soluble as hcl.) anyway i revapped the cleaned solution on a hot plate and yielded 2.25 g hcl + the 1 g of fumarates from the first pull = 3.25g salts from 454 g. not as terrible of a yield as the less than a gram of impotent salt from d-limo.
conclusions:
fresh solvent is key
fasa is cool but hcl is more efficient (will test xylene hcl to see if its potent, unlike the d-limo salt on friday)
observations:
1g hcl from old dlimo was weaker than 266 mg fumarates from fresh xylene, wtf?! ( i even fasted on the 1 g!!!! and not on the 266, i have also taken 350, 500, 200 mg hcl doses with varying amounts of eating and all were less than the 266 fumarates non fasted)
