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JesTKiDDiN

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Yo, so I've been on this site for a min now, and im still in the beginners section -_-

Soooo ima post something ;}

Was wandering if anyone else has on an occasion smoked the flowers/leaves of Datura, or has done this habittually?
 
I never smoked it but my brother and myself made a tea out of it one night. I didn't like it and wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

It's not a very safe drug and the effects are basically the same effects as atropine poisoning (because really, that's what's happening).

But for the sake of information I'll supply a quick trip report (granted this was some time ago so the details will be vague).

My brother and I ingested and maybe half an hour later we both started to feel like crap. We both went down to my room and he passed out on the couch and I tried to get some sleep on my bed. I put some Paul Simon on to fall asleep too.

At some point I woke up feeling like I had to pee really bad and unplugged the Paul Simon. I made my way upstairs to use the bathroom (very slowly, I could hardly walk because of the disorientation) and tried to pee but couldn't (urine retention is a symptom of atropine poisoning).

I couldn't see very well, I had like the opposite of tunnel vision, everything in the center of my field of vision would be blurry. I laid back down and went back to sleep.

Later on the music woke me up, it had been pervading my dreams as well. Once again I felt I had to pee so again made a trip upstairs. Again I couldn't. I went back downstairs and laid back down.

Again the music woke me up, again I had to pee, again I couldn't. Fed up with listening to Paul Simon I went to turn it off and realized... oh, I unplugged the stereo earlier, the music that I'd been hearing and was waking me up was all in my head.

The night basically continued like this. I felt really terrible the whole time and just wanted to sleep until it was over.

The next day I still had trouble focusing my eyes (atropine!!).

Anyway, I don't mean to preach but there's safer delerients (like eating a box of Dramamine) and I really suggest doing a ton of homework before ingesting this plant in any manner. I've never found delerients fun and the only thing I've felt I've learned from them is not to take delerientes. But that could just be me.

Good luck and stay safe.
 
I was just curious because I use to smoke the flowers/leaves with ganja, and I'd just travel, my mind that is. Reallly helpful in I meditation. But I've never met anyone else who has done this. I got the idea from the ancient sadhus in India. They would smoke the datura(male) and ganja(female) as a ritual. I liked it, however alot of people did say i was quite out of my mind when i did this, but i had been takin other psychedelics around then. Idk haha
 
Please read this thread: datura, belladonna, mandrake root ect...

This is the quote from me in that thread:
The Traveler said:
Like any poison/medicine it is all about dosage.

Higher dosages mostly end up either in jail, the hospital or the cemetery. So please refrain from using high dosages of these plants since they are unpredictable and pretty good at killing you or giving you life lasting disabilities like vision impairment and brain damage.

Low dosages can be used to treat nausea and to potentiate other entheogens. With datura we are talking about utmost 10 seeds per day to stay in the safe range, I don't know about the others or things like datura flowers.

So what you can do is make a brew where each personal ayahuasca dosage contains about three datura seeds as admixture, this to stay within a safe dosage range.
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Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
Nightshades are pretty good to control when smoking, compared to oral use. I have talked to a few who did this and read a lot about it. I think the most fascinating story I found was about a Yogi who eats! Datura every day in order to keep up his spiritual learning. He claims that he ows most of his knowledge to this plant and is in an state of higher consciousness nearly all the time by reapeted ingestion of his sacrament over the course of the day. I'll try to find my source about this one again.
Anyway, I have not tried it myself yet. I am fascinated about it for years and I have a jar full of seeds and plenty of dried leave but never really had the feeling of being ready to make a good use of this plant. I think working with Datura needs genuinely effort to understand what can be learned from it. I do not see any real recreational benefits from this substance and there are more comfortable alternative for most purposes. However When I have some time for it I will try some low dose experiments with Cannabis, since this seems to be a promissing combination.

An advise for save dosing: Get much plant material. Grind it or shred it really fine and mix thorough. This way you receive material with constant alcaloid levels which is almost never given with raw plant material. Then weight a certain amount with a good scale, start at low doses and wait several days between trials (with shorter intervals the previous dose will potentiate the next). IMO this would be a save approach to consume nightshades. "Always take x number of seeds" would be dangerous since even different parts of the same plant can have severly different potencys (up to 300%!).
 
Oh Datura....

As far as my experience goes, I have had an ayahuasca brew with a 'cousin' plant of datura (something very similar, I don't remember the name) as well as a fair amount of tobacco tea in it, and oh boy was it an UNCOMFORTABLE night. A good indication of it is that your whole face, mouth, and other extremities will go completely numb rather quickly. A good thing to remember about Datura, well probably the MOST IMPORTANT thing to remember about it is that it is a very strong plant spirit and likes some people and doesn't get along as well with others. Some people naturally find that this plant is very kind to them and has amazing experiences with it. In this case Datura is an ally of that person. If you have an uncomfortable experience with it, I would recommend NOT trying again because it more than likely will just get worse or potentially lethal.

The book "A Seperate Reality" (Carlos Castenada) goes in depth with this relationship between strong plant spirits and 'men of knowledge' and I would highly recommend reading it if you haven't!

(I think its in a Seperate Reality but I have read many of these books and I apologize if I may have gotten them mixed up.)

Also, large amounts of Datura can EASILY make someone go crazy....for good.

Personally, I would sit and meditate with the leaves/seeds in your hands or resting on your body and reverently ask the plant if you can ingest it and when...

I hope this helps a bit!

Safe travels and many blessings on your adventures!

~starseed
 
Ive never made a tea or brew with it, or eaten the seeds. Too crazy for a city hippie like meh. Maybe in a ritual manor, the california central valley natives used to use this plant during particular ceremonies like initiations coming of age, things like that. Tragically, most of californias native population was wiped out over 80-90 percent before the 1900's, so im shit out of luck on getting anywhere with that, unless i went out to one of these gnarly polluted rivers, pick some datura and sit there for many years learning to carry out the rituals from the datura plant itself. I would imagine the local police would have dealt with me before long though. =[

Man I hope we get their one day -_-

We gettin there ;}
 
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