Difference between vaporising and combusting spice

[Global_Roaming]

I've been wondering about this for a while and the search function hasn't really led to any answers.

When we make changa or enhanced leaf, the crystals are simply dissolved and infused/soaked onto herb, which is then combusted with a flame. With crystals we aim for vaporisation and try to avoid combustion.

My questions are (1) why the two different approaches for what I imagine is the same or similar active material at the molecular level? and (2) is there a specific difference in effect between the two (ie. between vaporising freebase and smoking enhanced leaf, apart from the properties of the leaf)?

More wondering... if I smoked say, mullein, then vaporized a control amount of freebase afterward, theoretically would the effect be the same as smoking the same quantity of enhanced mullein?

 

[adam]

With smoking freebase there is no other material to compete for space in your lungs, so it is easier to take a big hit of freebase only and breakthrough.

With enhanced leaf you need to inhale plant material as well as dmt. For me it is more difficult to breakthrough this way or at least more uncomfortable.

Changa or enhanced leaf for me is used more to stay below the breakthrough threshold but still feel the tryptamine high. Changa or enhanced leaf in a bong is definitely a way you can breakthrough just not my favorite method.

Although you are combusting the enhanced leaf I think you are still aiming to vaporize the dmt. So although the leaf itself is combusting I believe it is raising the surrounding temperature enough vaporize the dmt but not burn it.

Enhanced lead is a whole other animal imo, you are working with other plants and hopefully using them synergistically to achieve a different sort of experience as some of the other plants added can have there own unique dimension.

The different approaches are a matter of preference, really. Freebase out of a vapor genie is straight to the point. Enhanced leaf from my experience is simply playing with other plants to affect the experience.

There isn't much difference when you get to the breakthrough level imo. But smoking the same weight in freebase as enhanced leaf is not the same, because the weight of the leaf lowers the concentration of the dmt dose.

Essentially vaporizing just freebase allows for a more concentrated dose. While enhanced lead allows for bringing other plants to the mix.

Kind of a sloppy reply but I hope this addresses your questions.

 

[Global_Roaming]

Although you are combusting the enhanced leaf I think you are still aiming to vaporize the dmt. So although the leaf itself is combusting I believe it is raising the surrounding temperature enough vaporize the dmt but not burn it.

Thanks Adam. I think your statement above is what interests me most - if this is right, then it pretty much resolves my main question. I always assumed that smoking enhanced leaf was synonymous with combusting the dmt, which didn't make sense. But it does raise the question of why most people smoke enhanced leaf (or changa) rather than vaporising it. I use my CVG to vaporise herbs and it works just fine, so theoretically, vaporising enhanced leaf should work fine if not better than combustion.

The reason I've been wondering about this is that last week I loaded some changa into my CVG and vaporised the lot, but with a small accidental amount of combustion toward the end (got too hot) - the DMT content was equivalent to what I'd normally vape (ie. 40mg of 1:1 changa = 20mg freebase). It was the best and most pleasant trip I've had so far, and made me think about whether the combination of both vapour and smoke had anything to do with it, or whether it was just one of those randomly nice trips.

 

[DesykaLamgeenie]

Although you are combusting the enhanced leaf I think you are still aiming to vaporize the dmt. So although the leaf itself is combusting I believe it is raising the surrounding temperature enough vaporize the dmt but not burn it.

That's correct - you are combusting the plant material, and perhaps a little DMT from the initial flame, but the aim is to still vaporize the DMT - which is why it is suggested to just lick the herb with the flame to get a cherry going rather than torch it - because then you'd burn the DMT more than necessary.

And yep, vaporizing pure DMT after smoking some mullein would basically be equal to smoking enhanced mullein (apart from perhaps losing a probably negligible amount of DMT in the enhanced leaf form from the initial flame) - although there wouldn't be much of a point since mullein isn't psychoactive and is just used as a carrier for the DMT - which is done to eliminate the need to vaporize it in a specific kind of pipe, and can make it easier to handle and smoke for some people.

 

[adam]

In my experience vaporizing freebase is not equal to smoking enhanced leaf, because the smoke from the combusted leaf is much harsher then just the freebase vapor, making it harder to get a concentrated dose.

If you are seeking the most efficient way to receive a dose freebase via vaporizer is the best method I think. It allows for the greatest dose in the shortest time span, meaning you need less material to breakthrough, Since dosage x time of delivery is roughly proportional to the magnitude of the breakthrough. I think? With smoking enhanced leaf you are decreasing the dosage one can comfortable take, at least if you sensitive like me. For some it seems leaf in the bong is the way to go while other prefer puffing on bowls of changa and slowly getting to the next level sort of speak.

As for the burning dmt in the gvg, yes you most likely burnt it, and while burning it doesn't directly= a bad trip it usually makes things less pleasant for me. The key is to heat it gradually and fill the chamber and try to pull it all at once.

 

[DesykaLamgeenie]

In my experience vaporizing freebase is not equal to smoking enhanced leaf, because the smoke from the combusted leaf is much harsher then just the freebase vapor, making it harder to get a concentrated dose.

Oh yeah I know a lot of people would agree with that - seems like it depends on the person and also, the ratio of the plant material to DMT. Have you tried 1:1 yet? Not much plant material to burn through there, but if you really dislike smoking in general - like me - then it may still be unpleasant. That's why I vaporize mine now and it works wonders - and I have no issue at all getting to the levels I do with straight freebase.

So basically I'd say if you can get a well-administered dose of enhanced leaf it will be equal to a well-administered dose of vaporized freebase. If you can't, then that'll be the issue - not the product itself.

And on that note, if either of you are interested in having something that can vaporize both straight freebase and enhanced leaf/changa beautifully, I highly recommend visiting this thread: The Key - Portable $5 Vaporizer - Assembly Instructions - Vaping/Smoking - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

And this one for the water-pipe version: The Key V2 - DIY Water Pipe Vaporizer - DMT Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

I use a slightly customized version of the regular (non-water pipe) one which I upgraded with a silicone tube (can handle high temps, and no plastic/vinyl taste), a smaller piece for the tube end (gives a better, more controllable airflow IMO and allows for a smaller-diameter tubing), leather wrapping instead of the wet cloth, and I only use 5 screens in the bottom which I find works best for me. (and this works for any herb, not just enhanced leaf/changa...!)