Differences between batches

[New Sneakers]

So, this is kind of a weird question. I did an extraction a while back that I thought I botched due to the naphtha layer being completely clear. To my amazement, after freeze precipitating, I had an impressive yield of huge white fluffy crystals. This batch has been responsible for the vast majority of my breakthrough experiences. I should mention that I stupidly purchased a classic Vapor Genie, which I had limited success with initially, but now cannot seem to dial in correctly. I’ve been using the sandwich method in a bubbler and have actually had pretty good results.

I also have a more recent batch of “typical” pale yellow crystals. For whatever reason, I cannot seem to have a strong experience with this batch. I actually thought that I might have done something wrong, or that the batch was somehow impure, so I did a heptane re-x which changed the color slightly but seemed to be a success. When vaporizing (or maybe I’m burning it?) this batch using the sandwich method, I always get this weird, low-level experience that is almost identical each time. Almost like I’m seeing TV static everywhere. I’m using 30mg which is normally enough to rip my face off.

I suspect I need to invest in a GVG, but I’m curious if anyone has any input or similar experiences. Thanks for reading!

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

Whenever you're dealing with plants, you can expect some level of variation from time to time, from harvest to harvest – even from the same tree. There are a variety of climactic factors to consider, as well as the genetics of the particular specimen in question. In other words: you got dealt a squishy, sour apple.

 

[New Sneakers]

Whenever you're dealing with plants, you can expect some level of variation from time to time, from harvest to harvest – even from the same tree. There are a variety of climactic factors to consider, as well as the genetics of the particular specimen in question. In other words: you got dealt a squishy, sour apple.

Thanks for this. I hadn’t even considered the quality of the bark as a factor.

 

[Varallo]

It depends somewhat on one’s beliefs. Some people tend to think that the extraction method (jungle spice) or the specific plants from which DMT was harvested, influence how the effects are perceived. I hold a different perspective: DMT, whether it comes from plants or from synthesis, is still DMT. A molecule is a molecule, so there is no reason to think it will fundamentally do something else. Given that it is a very strong psychedelic, self-suggestion plays a large role in how the quality of DMT is perceived.

That said, I have a very old batch of DMT in a jar that I sometimes smell and, very rarely, still take. It brings up strong feelings of nostalgia, I suspect this is mostly related to the smell.

Anyway, if there is doubt about quality, recrystallization is probably the best way to move forward.

 

[TransistorBass]

I suspect this is mostly related to the smell.

Anyway, if there is doubt about quality, recrystallization is probably the best way to move forward.

I've just done a Recrystallization on some slightly darker coloured pulls with Heptane and I'd say it's lost its DMT smell, but I've definitely cleaned it up loads.

 

[Ernestine]

Have you considered using an electronic vaporisation device? Either emesh or a tank to vapourise DMT in a vape liquid.

Issues with a lofi experience are indicative of low effective dosage. The experience goes from 8 bit to hyperreal with greater amounts.

Why anyone would bother with a gvg or devices that require naked flame and sandwich techniques given the availability of better, often cheaper electronic alternatives is beyond me! The elves weep when you burn the spice.

 

[Icon]

I've just done a Recrystallization on some slightly darker coloured pulls with Heptane and I'd say it's lost its DMT smell, but I've definitely cleaned it up loads.

This reminds me I'd like to learn more about what factors go into the scent of spice. I notice denser crystals smell less than powder, I assume less surface area to diffuse. It could also just be related to the purity required for getting denser crystals. But then I wonder is it actually DMT we're smelling, or is it oxides or decomp molecules like indole that are included in dirty spice? And I think solvent residue has to be a factor, but how exactly? Besides the obvious of trace solvent molecules influencing the overall scent, do the solvent molecules with higher vapor pressures carry the amine molecules into the air? So dirty spice with lots of solvent residue = high vapor pressure of stinky stuff?

I think olfactory psychology is a bigger deal than we realize. Smell can trigger memories and on a psychedelic as strong as DMT, those spurred emotions and thoughts can manifest as a sort of reality. I get a strong synergy out of ayahuasca + cannabis, that I don't think would be as impactful if I couldn't smell. The aroma of cannabis triggers so many memories of highs, that on DMT it's like I'm re-living every high at once.

 

[TransistorBass]

Well smell and taste are part of how I earn a living, I have always sniffed things foods, drinks, print media, books, cats, hamsters., though I'm not a fan of solvents... but the list goes on! Pretty sure we developed smell before vision so it's very important.

 

[Varallo]

Well smell and taste are part of how I earn a living, I have always sniffed things foods, drinks, print media, books, cats, hamsters., though I'm not a fan of solvents... but the list goes on! Pretty sure we developed smell before vision so it's very important.

If you have the opportunity and haven’t already found it you could try to find Italian chestnut honey. “Miele di castagno” It’s very interesting and smells very similar to dmt, combined with the somewhat bitter flavor it’s very unique, great on yogurt with lemon juice.

 

[TransistorBass]

If you have the opportunity and haven’t already found it you could try to find Italian chestnut honey. “Miele di castagno” It’s very interesting and smells very similar to dmt, combined with the somewhat bitter flavor it’s very unique, great on yogurt with lemon juice.

Certainly sounds interesting

 

[New Sneakers]

Have you considered using an electronic vaporisation device? Either emesh or a tank to vapourise DMT in a vape liquid.

Issues with a lofi experience are indicative of low effective dosage. The experience goes from 8 bit to hyperreal with greater amounts.

Why anyone would bother with a gvg or devices that require naked flame and sandwich techniques given the availability of better, often cheaper electronic alternatives is beyond me! The elves weep when you burn the spice.

Yeah, I’m actually leaning more towards this lately. I just need to do some more research on what exactly is required to build a rig.

 

[Ernestine]

Yeah, I’m actually leaning more towards this lately. I just need to do some more research on what exactly is required to build a rig.

There are a few ways to do it. The most flexible is to start with a vape mod box or "battery" with a 510 connector. Then you can a rebuildable tank assembly (RTA) that takes coils for juice, or mesh strip if you want to get emesh. I never use my emesh setups since getting juice, it's so much more flexible. OTOH, there's no more efficient way of getting dmt into a person then emesh unless you inject it.
Mesh based setups are getting harder to find as they're not longer popular with normal vape users.

Recently I've been getting into dual coil RTAs but they can produce so much vapour that someone unaccustomed to them could easily overwhelm themselves, and a few people have. I do find them remarkably efficient, seeming to produce more intense experiences than single coil tanks.

There are some videos and websites explaining the setups and pitfalls, e.g. mintylove, and there were also early emesh pioneers here at the nexus. Minty Love

 

[New Sneakers]

There are a few ways to do it. The most flexible is to start with a vape mod box or "battery" with a 510 connector. Then you can a rebuildable tank assembly (RTA) that takes coils for juice, or mesh strip if you want to get emesh. I never use my emesh setups since getting juice, it's so much more flexible. OTOH, there's no more efficient way of getting dmt into a person then emesh unless you inject it.
Mesh based setups are getting harder to find as they're not longer popular with normal vape users.

Recently I've been getting into dual coil RTAs but they can produce so much vapour that someone unaccustomed to them could easily overwhelm themselves, and a few people have. I do find them remarkably efficient, seeming to produce more intense experiences than single coil tanks.

There are some videos and websites explaining the setups and pitfalls, e.g. mintylove, and there were also early emesh pioneers here at the nexus. Minty Love

Thanks for that Minty Love link. That’s exactly what I needed!