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Difficulty Breaking through

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skittzo

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My Monkey has been experimenting with DMT over the past few weeks now after 2 successful extractions, he has never brokenthrough after about 0.5g of DMT!

He only has a small freebase pipe (like a bong) and loads with around 50mg each time, he manages to take 3 decent sized lungfulls but with no avail, only extreme visuals mainly OEV although there is significant geometric shapes when eyes are closed. He finds that he always has his eyes open with DMT, possibly due to the fact that more is going on with them open than when closed.

Also monkey always finds that there is a 'presence' during powerfull experiences, like someone is staring at him at each side of him, its almost scares monkey sometimes as it usually takes the form of a dark figure.

Does anybody have any tips for monkey to do mentally or physically (methods etc..) to be able to achieve breakthrough?

Thanks alot guys! (Monkey attained 1.2g from 4 extractions of seperate containers from 200g MHRB - thanks to alot of nexus members contributions)
 
You are vaporizing all 50mg in the three tokes, right? So there is no DMT "resin" left in the pipe?

Try using an actual water bong so that you may be able to get all the vapor in potentially two tokes. It is harder to vaporize the spice precisely this way, but in my experience it makes taking bigger hits less of a hit-or-miss game. I can't speak for "The Machine" but have heard that it does wonders as well.

Also, make sure to hold in for 10 seconds each toke, no less. If this is not doing it, load the pipe with .07-.1g and smoke until there is no more reality, a sitter will be needed. There is no reason you should not be able to break through. Personally, I find that I may break through more easily if I am by myself, and meditate to the DMT spirits beforehand. For some music can facilitate a degree of comfort with "diving in," for me I find it to be a distraction.
 
Well usually the majority of the DMT is vapourised, although he has vapourised a small amount left in the resin and still filled the small chamber once again. Usually he finds that he can hold the first hit in for 10/15 sec then the second but he starts to 'drift away' so to speak and has a STRONG urge to put the pipe down and lie down, but even when he forces the 3rd hit and clears the pipe it just becomes an extremely intense trip.

Could he be burning the DMT? ive heard that when burnt it burns your throat when inhaled, he finds it to be VERY easy to take in so assumed not - and he also takes care to avoid it.

He will try upping the dose tomorrow, aiming for hyperspace but he doesnt hold his hopes high after previous attempts :(

Thanks for your reply dude ill let him know to give it a shot tomorrow!
 
If you are able to abstain from tyramine containing foods for a day (erowid has a list of ones to avoid) it could be worth eating an MAOi beforehand. If you don't have one handy though I wouldn't worry about it. Goodluck and godspeed to your monkey!
 
.02mg THH 30 minutes prior to smoking, taken sublingually....three big tokes with THAT particular MAOI and you should be communing with the great oneness without a hitch.... ;)

LOVE AND GRATITUDE!
 
SLANE said:
If you are able to abstain from tyramine containing foods for a day (erowid has a list of ones to avoid) it could be worth eating an MAOi beforehand. If you don't have one handy though I wouldn't worry about it. Goodluck and godspeed to your monkey!
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Harmalas are RIMA, not MAOI

you don't need to worry about that

THH FTW
 
like someone is staring at him at each side of him
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Oh yeah,sounds familiar to Swim :)
Besides, my friend from peru hasn't broken through either. He's tried it 20 times or so with no success. but this word becomes somewhat meaningless during an intense experience. I guess the problem is a) The mindset (It's good to be relaxed, so the spice doesn't have to relax you first) b)The dose is large enough...forcing yourself to take another hit after the world starts collapsing (Pablo did not have the courage to do that yet, because he tends to shake and fears to burn his hair lol)
 
THE Most common reason for not breaking through on a breakthrough dose is:

OVERHEATING THE SPICE

A freebase pipe is notorious for doing this.

I have seen this over and over and over on this forum (and it has happened to me as well).

You need to baby it with the lighter. You are simply overheating it in an attempt to get bigger hits.

Sure adding harmala alkaloids will help, but your best bet is to either perfect your vaporization technique or get a bong with a bowl on it and leaf bed the spice. This is almost a sure fire way to make sure you don't kill the spice with heat.

Again, I've seen this at least 20x on this very forum and the answer is almost ALWAYS to not burn the spice.
 
But skittzo said the vapors are smooth... burned DMT is acrid.
Using the testtube method, I heat it with a not-too-small flame and suck very hard to prevent condensation on the walls and to cool the boiling freebase.
If the flame is too small, like a waxine light, not enough DMT will vaporize for a breakthrough.

I doubt it's a dosage problem, probably something psychological.
Closing your eyes might help, and meeting the 'presence'. Apparently you don't trust it 100% or there is some residual fear... maybe the presence is just waiting for you to come along and take the ride! It's all interactive :)
 
What kind of set/setting?

1.Be sure you have nothing holding you back(waiting for an important call, gotta get some homework done, gotta get somewhere soon etc. etc.)

2. Where's your mind at? Give spice the respect to clear your mind and make preparations for its entrance. Music, love, meditative. Your mind is your vessel. If you don't have it fueled, how can you get anywhere? Are you afraid? Use that fear to push you forward. That fear is respect for the spice.

3. Tolerance/dosage: this is up to you to find out your body and understand the potency of your spice. Its been already discussed much so not touching it more.
 
tryptographer said:
But skittzo said the vapors are smooth... burned DMT is acrid.
Using the testtube method, I heat it with a not-too-small flame and suck very hard to prevent condensation on the walls and to cool the boiling freebase.
If the flame is too small, like a waxine light, not enough DMT will vaporize for a breakthrough.

I doubt it's a dosage problem, probably something psychological.
Closing your eyes might help, and meeting the 'presence'. Apparently you don't trust it 100% or there is some residual fear... maybe the presence is just waiting for you to come along and take the ride! It's all interactive :)
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I went through about a MONTH period where I could only get minor OEV from 60+mgs of spice. Sometimes it was smooth-ish, other times it was very harsh......

I still strongly believe that the smoking technique is the issue. I was positive that my issue was something other than my smoking technique, I mean, I had broken through many, many times before...but it turned out to be just that.

In my opinion it is the first thing one should rule out before going on to more complex theories on why he isn't breaking through.

Psycological issues are most likely not the issue. 50mgs with or without a mental block should catipult someone into hyperspace with no issues. Also the way he described the effects are almost identical to the effects I was getting when burning the spice.

IF the OP tries a non vaporization method and still cannot break through. I would say to up the dose, add a touch of THH sublingually 10 minutes before launch and see what happens then.

Set and setting can influence a DMT experience, not as much as with longer, less ego shattering psycadelics like mescaline, mushrooms, or various RC's....
 
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I still strongly believe that the smoking technique is the issue. I was positive that my issue was something other than my smoking technique, I mean, I had broken through many, many times before...but it turned out to be just that.

In my opinion it is the first thing one should rule out before going on to more complex theories on why he isn't breaking through.
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You have a point there Acolon... it's hard to tell from a distance and there are so many variables. Holding breath long enough is also important. Hopefully the OP can pin down the problem and report back.
 
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