Good evening fellow space cadets, ive tried searching for an answer to this question but unfortunately have come up with a blank so here i am to pick your brains, basically im wondering if anybody has any experience of being under the influence of alcohol and then taking dmt? Good, bad or indifferent? As a Scotsman i like a beer, a cultural norm i made peace with many many years ago, probably to my livers detriment haha anyway my curiosity on partaking in dmt while under the influence of several beers beers stems from how i feel before taking dmt with no alcohol involved. My pre trip ritual always consists of about 10 minutes of clearing my mind and basically chilling the fuck out to almost the point of falling asleep, but there is always that slight tinge of apprehension and anxiety beforehand that i just cant seem to lose, however when a fair few beers deep and the urge to a take a trip enters my mind i feel no anxiety or apprehension whatsoever, so is it advisable to go ahead and take the plunge or ignore those drunken thoughts?
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dmt + alcohol = good/bad?
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It definitely seems to tranquilize the ego/left brain a bit, which is useful. But any more than 1 or maybe 2 drinks and the risk of a detrimental effect starts increasing more and more, from what I've seen. There's definitely a sweet spot but it's on the lower end for myself and those I've tried it with.
Alternatively (or additionally) you might find a small dose of DMT works well to help soothe the preflight jitters, once you get used to it. Especially combined with yoga etc.
Alternatively (or additionally) you might find a small dose of DMT works well to help soothe the preflight jitters, once you get used to it. Especially combined with yoga etc.
Energetic side aside, the only real train wrecks I have seen were when someone took psychedelics under the influence of alcohol.
I have a very good example of a person who ended up in a hospital. It took him years to get back to normal life.
It's an extreme case, but better be safe than sorry. This is just my experience & opinion.
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I've found that a few bevvies relaxes me and diminishes the fear somewhat before blasting off. Have never had any kind of negative repercussions.
In my opinion it really depends on what kind of relationship you want with it. If it’s something you just want to try once or twice, something casual, then having a couple of beers isn’t a big deal. But if you’re looking for something deeper, something you want to grow into over the years and get better at, then it’s probably better not to mix it with alcohol.
There are other ways to deal with the anxiety that can come with blasting off. Create your own ritual or you could try harmalas, or just start with a low dose, dip your toes in first, and then go deeper once you feel more comfortable.
Anyway no judgment personally I think it’s better to just deal with the anxiety and not use alcohol for this.
There are other ways to deal with the anxiety that can come with blasting off. Create your own ritual or you could try harmalas, or just start with a low dose, dip your toes in first, and then go deeper once you feel more comfortable.
Anyway no judgment personally I think it’s better to just deal with the anxiety and not use alcohol for this.
fink
overthinking the unthinkable
I have a friend who drinks daily and seems to get no issue using DMT while drunk. For me it's a no go. But I'll have a bad time if I even smoke a bit of weed while drunk.
Festival drugs I used to hoover up, mix and match, never a problem. Only alcohol.
Guess you should be the test subject for your own question
Festival drugs I used to hoover up, mix and match, never a problem. Only alcohol.
Guess you should be the test subject for your own question
Vou lhe responder trazendo uma automação de outro fórum sobre drogas, ( sou novoto e não sei se posso dizer o nome dele aqui )
O álcool é um depressor do sistema nervoso central que atua principalmente aumentando o neurotransmissor inibitório GABA (ácido gama-aminobutírico) e reduzindo o neurotransmissor excitatório glutamato nas sinapses. Isso leva à lentidão da atividade cerebral, comprometimento do julgamento e redução da inibição. Também aumenta a liberação de dopamina nas vias de recompensa do cérebro, contribuindo para seu potencial aditivo.
AN,N-dimetiltriptamina (DMT) é um poderoso alucinógeno, alterando a percepção, o humor e uma série de processos cognitivos. Seus efeitos, embora profundos, costumam ser de curta duração quando ingeridos em sua forma natural ou inalados como um pó sintetizado.
Os efeitos psicotrópicos do DMT resultam principalmente de sua ação como agonista em certos receptores de serotonina, particularmente o receptor 5-HT2A. A serotonina é um neurotransmissor envolvido na regulação do humor, comportamento social, apetite, sono, memória e função sexual. Ao se ligar a esses receptores, o DMT altera o funcionamento normal do cérebro, levando a estados alterados de consciência.
O corpo humano produz naturalmente pequenas quantidades de DMT, que são encontradas em diversas espécies animais e vegetais. Há especulações de que o endógeno DMT possa estar associado a sonhos, experiências de quase morte e outros estados de consciência alterados, embora essas evidências exijam mais evidências científicas para serem comprovadas.
Quando combinados, o álcool e o DMT interagem de maneira multifacetada. O álcool pode alterar o metabolismo do DMT, afetando potencialmente a intensidade e a duração de seus efeitos. Ao mesmo tempo, a experiência intensa do DMT pode ser modulada pelos efeitos depressivos do álcool, proporcionando uma experiência psicodélica atenuada ou alterada.
Os "benefícios" teóricos do uso concomitante podem incluir o uso de pequenas doses de álcool para mitigar a ansiedade pré-ingestão associada aos efeitos intensos do DMT ou para atenuar uma experiência psicodélica avassaladora. Alguns usuários buscam aprimorar a experiência subjetiva geral, embora isso seja imprevisível e normalmente não seja recomendado devido a riscos aumentados.
A coingestão de álcool com DMT pode aumentar o risco de efeitos psicológicos negativos, incluindo paranóia e confusão. Fisiologicamente, o álcool pode exacerbar os efeitos cardiovasculares do DMT, como aumento da pressão arterial e da frequência cardíaca, representando riscos para pessoas com problemas cardíacos preexistentes. A combinação pode prejudicar o julgamento e a coordenação motora mais gravemente do que qualquer uma das substâncias isoladamente, aumentando o potencial de acidentes. Há também o risco de depressão respiratória devido aos efeitos depressores do álcool, ou que pode ser problemático se o DMT induzir uma forte resposta vagal.
Não foram encontrados dados sobre condições agudas e mortes associadas a essa combinação. A interação entre álcool e DMT é complexa, com potencial para interação farmacocinética e farmacodinâmica. Os riscos associados ao uso concomitante muitas vezes superam quaisquer benefícios subjetivos relatados pelos usuários. O perfil de segurança da combinação de um depressor do SNC com um psicodélico potente é pouco compreendido e requer mais pesquisas.
Considerando o exposto, recomendamos tratar essa combinação com extrema cautela.
Some ppl in the jungle use alcohol with ayahuasca or yopo. Everyone is different. Personally I find it blunts the DMT too much but I don’t like alcohol anyway.
Just want to reiterate that DMT and alcohol is a traditional combination.
Just want to reiterate that DMT and alcohol is a traditional combination.
d*l*b
Esteemed member
I have sometimes found a little beer, or a small amount of wine useful in the past, it can calm jitters slightly.
Too much can mix badly with the dramatic speed of effect, and the experience itself. Red wine vomit can be terrifying.
Today I wouldn’t drink with DMT, but I can see why people may find it useful in small amounts.
Too much can mix badly with the dramatic speed of effect, and the experience itself. Red wine vomit can be terrifying.
Today I wouldn’t drink with DMT, but I can see why people may find it useful in small amounts.
DM3
why not
Alcohol is bad any time. This is one of the most harmful drugs, it makes people very stupid and aggressive, and destroys their DNA and organs.
Alcohol is a loser drug. Big no-no.
And alcohol + DMT is a very bad and unsafe combo! You can simply end up with a stroke. Use pure DMT.
Alcohol is a loser drug. Big no-no.
And alcohol + DMT is a very bad and unsafe combo! You can simply end up with a stroke. Use pure DMT.
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DM3
why not
Dude, you're on an English-speaking forum, so type in English. It's absolutely disrespectful of you to do otherwise.
It's the same as if I were to type in Chinese. Would you understand that? I doubt it.
That is true, but depends on the dose.
That's not really a reason to decide whether to take a substance or not. For most people, all drugs are "for losers", including DMT.
You can recommend against something without needing to make it maximally bad. Exaggerating makes everything else less believable too. It's like the anti-drug campaigns at schools with their half-truths and over the top claims.
I don't drink alcohol and would recommend to not mix alcohol with any psychedelic if the person is serious about psychedelic use, but it's not necessary to claim that drinking a beer with a psychedelic may make you an aggressive loser that will die of a stroke.
Come on, this is just unfounded fear mongering, there’s no proof that by combining DMT and alcohol results in strokes. Also, the whole “alcohol is a loser drug” narrative is just rhetoric, alcohol can be a great social drug, and when used sparingly, it’s not inherently harmful for most people. Like anything, moderation and context are key.
Furthermore, I don’t like the way you use terms like “losers” to describe large groups of people. It’s not only unfair, it’s also dismissive and unproductive. People have different relationships with substances for various cultural, social, or personal reasons. Open, respectful dialogue is way more constructive.
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DM3
why not
It's true that alcohol promotes blood clotting, and DMT can raise blood pressure, particularly in the skull, which increases the risk of a stroke. Some people have experienced strokes after using DMT, even without alcohol. This can happen due to thicker blood or a predisposition to such conditions.
So yes, it's a fact that when you consume alcohol, it thickens the blood and promotes clotting. I'm a medical worker, so I know pretty well what I'm talking about.
Additionally, alcohol is dangerous in any amount, even one beer can be harmful. It's a poison, regardless of the dose. We should be honest about this and not suggest that drinking poison is acceptable.
You got asked for sources and responded with what essentially boils down to "trust me bro". If you're a medical worker, you're certainly not making a very good case for your expertise, especially when you purposefully seem to turn a blind eye to what @Varallo said above.
Again, who are you to say what is and isn't acceptable for different people? You are free to have your own opinions on things, but to project them as the absolute truth and deem anyone who disagrees with you a "loser", simply portrays you as incredibly close-minded and arrogant.
DM3
why not
It's a great social destruction drug only. It's harmful to anyone who takes it, even in low doses. This is the fact that makes you uncomfortable, but I'm exact about it, and I am a medical worker. You can't be offended by simple facts. And don't point me to the Attitude page, your wrong advice is against it, as it contradicts harm reduction principles.
Everything I discuss here is in the context of harm reduction, and I have presented you with unpleasant facts, but they are still facts. I'm compliant with the attitude rules. Peace.
DM3
why not
Should I provide sources for something as obvious as the sky being blue?
Okay, here are some links:
You can conduct your own experiment: take a scope, stab your finger and drop some blood on a glass slide, then add a bit of alcohol and observe the platelets.
That's not the question you got asked. The question was specifically related to the interaction between alcohol and DMT, and whether increased risk of stroke has been observed during that interaction or not. I find it funny how you try to skirt the matter at hand so as to not make yourself look ill-prepared to participate in a conversation like that without coming across as condescending.
I have developed a particular distaste for your approach to discussions on the Nexus and will kindly point you again towards the Attitude Page link @Varallo shared above. Be respectful and kind to others, or be gone. The choice is yours.
No one is denying that alcohol has many risks associated with its use, but stating that the combination of dmt and alcohol will lead to stroke is unfounded. Drug use of any kind including psychedelics has risk associated with them. That however does not make its users any more or less valuable, let alone a loser.
It’s actually the other way around
