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DMT Bad trips Ratio

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goodone22

goodone22

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i request anyone with dmt experience to write here his/her bad trips frequency in ratio to all trips he/she ever had.
i guess this topic can be so helpful.
just type number of bad trips you got and the number of all trips you ever had with DMT.
for example: 2 bad trips from 4 trips.
you are free to change format of it.for example you can add percentage.but the most important factor is bad trips in order to find the safety profile.
please don't count times when you used dmt and got no trips.
you can count times when you didn't reach a breakthrough but still had kind of trip.

Statistics:
User:____________Badtrips:_________All trips:
fink_________________0________________40-50
 
Between 40 and 50 dmt experiences

0 bad experiences

Challenging, confusing, almost all of them. But never bad. Had many much worse experiences on alcohol.


Majority of your posts seem to be research based. What are you doing all the research for if I may ask?
 
fink said:
Between 40 and 50 dmt experiences

0 bad experiences

Challenging, confusing, almost all of them. But never bad. Had many much worse experiences on alcohol.


Majority of your posts seem to be research based. What are you doing all the research for if I may ask?
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wow happy to hear that numbers,i've always thought so much worse about bad trip frequency.i thought there is 1 bad trip every 5 trips or so.
there is high chance for me to use dmt in next couple months
i'd like to be more certain and i am trying to think about all aspects that can happen to me cause i know how things in my life can suddenly change and get out of control.
and another thing i like to help others if there is anyone in my situation to get his answer.
 
What one person might view as challenging or confusing someone else might consider traumatic.

Do you have a plan for clearing your mind of all the preconceptions you've built around this first experience?
 
fink said:
What one person might view as challenging or confusing someone else might consider traumatic.

Do you have a plan for clearing your mind of all the preconceptions you've built around this first experience?
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yeah i have solved some of the main fears i had during the time i was absent from dmtnexus.
but there are lots of changes happening in my mind and i can't count on what i think right now cause i am changing so fast and i can't control what i am believing to,so i can't plan anything for that time when i am using dmt but i had a plan to go to my doctor and request him to let me use dmt in front of him,so he can manage the situation.but i came to the conclusion that it is absurd cause i know he won't do much if the situation get out of control and he just sends me to hospital.i can just benefit from his presence and use it as a set and setting.
but i don't think he accept this kind of requests although i am kinda special for him in his patients list.
i am now working on philosophical questions that can come to my mind during DMT trip.
months ago i had hope that i can ask all these questions here in dmtnexus i thought this forum could make me a lot easier for that situation but now i think its all upon my self.
 
Hey people, it's been a while,

My experience....
Around 115 trips in total.
First 100, every trip was an extremely joyful experience. There were many times I took a way higher dose than I should e.g. nearly half of these 100 times I would take 100 - 140 mg's. Never lower than 60 mg's and the highest ever was nearly 200mg's.

I had my first encounter with some very evil entities on about the the 102nd trip.
I took 80mg's in a dab rig, lay back on my bed and closed my eyes, I had an urge to sit up and open my eyes.....?
Sat up and saw a shadow at the end of the room which made me freeze with fear, in a very sinister telepathic communication I was told this shadow was going to possess my dog. The cloud flew across the room and entered my dog, my dog took on the appearance of a wolf with glowing metallic eyes.
I then hear 3 other evil sounding entities laughing at me in fear, I look up to be faced with 3 8ft tall soldiers wearing razer edged wire suits of chainmail, with shadows for faces. They said they were going to wipe out humankind..... I suddenly went from being scared to being quite angry, I stood up and questioned them regarding their actions. I said " What sort of entities get pleasure in providing fear to innocent victims "?. My whole mindset just changed, I stood up to the three entities and said if you want me to fear you then do it properly, go and get your best warrior and I will fight him with my bare hands. I was resigned I was going to die at this point but I would go out in style. It seemed that I came down almost instantly and was having this conversation with 3 coats hung up on my wardrobe door lol. I honestly laid there with my dog still not convinced he hadn't been possessed haa. Since this first bad experience, in the 15 trips to follow I had 9 good trips and 6 scary ones. I did just not know before these experiences which would be good or bad as as it was random, could be 2 good 1's, then 3 bad. No consistency to these trip outcomes.
Anyone else experienced anything similar? My first hundred experiences were all so beautiful life changing experiences, I would love to know what had changed for that next 1 to be so horrifically bad?
Any opinions from me enlightened friends here at the Nexus would be appreciated, peace out and much love to you all ;)
 
PsychedelicReality said:
Hey people, it's been a while,

My experience....
Around 115 trips in total.
First 100, every trip was an extremely joyful experience. There were many times I took a way higher dose than I should e.g. nearly half of these 100 times I would take 100 - 140 mg's. Never lower than 60 mg's and the highest ever was nearly 200mg's.

I had my first encounter with some very evil entities on about the the 102nd trip.
I took 80mg's in a dab rig, lay back on my bed and closed my eyes, I had an urge to sit up and open my eyes.....?
Sat up and saw a shadow at the end of the room which made me freeze with fear, in a very sinister telepathic communication I was told this shadow was going to possess my dog. The cloud flew across the room and entered my dog, my dog took on the appearance of a wolf with glowing metallic eyes.
I then hear 3 other evil sounding entities laughing at me in fear, I look up to be faced with 3 8ft tall soldiers wearing razer edged wire suits of chainmail, with shadows for faces. They said they were going to wipe out humankind..... I suddenly went from being scared to being quite angry, I stood up and questioned them regarding their actions. I said " What sort of entities get pleasure in providing fear to innocent victims "?. My whole mindset just changed, I stood up to the three entities and said if you want me to fear you then do it properly, go and get your best warrior and I will fight him with my bare hands. I was resigned I was going to die at this point but I would go out in style. It seemed that I came down almost instantly and was having this conversation with 3 coats hung up on my wardrobe door lol. I honestly laid there with my dog still not convinced he hadn't been possessed haa. Since this first bad experience, in the 15 trips to follow I had 9 good trips and 6 scary ones. I did just not know before these experiences which would be good or bad as as it was random, could be 2 good 1's, then 3 bad. No consistency to these trip outcomes.
Anyone else experienced anything similar? My first hundred experiences were all so beautiful life changing experiences, I would love to know what had changed for that next 1 to be so horrifically bad?
Any opinions from me enlightened friends here at the Nexus would be appreciated, peace out and much love to you all ;)
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From my experience, it just happens to be the nature of the game. The more you do it, the more it shows you, both good and bad. The bad ones increase our resilience if we can manage them. DMT always has something new to show you :twisted:

Also, it's good to see you :love:
One love
 
A pleasure to you see you to Void!

Throughout this journey, I have to give so much credit to Voidmatrix! Always looking out for me and explaining things in a logical, easy to understand way as to open my mind and reassess my thought processes.

I would like to request that we have a Hall of Fame on Nexus for members, many different reasons as to why a member may be inducted and decided upon by a vote to decide :)

Firstly, my vote is for Voidmatrix for outstanding contributions, out of the box thinking and the most genuine guidance and support to members new and old. There are many more reasons as to why, however, the whole community knows of Voids contributions so I will say no more :).

Maybe..... I could be considered for a different reason, stupidity lol. Taking 200mg's in a dab rig is not a hero dose, it's a stupid fucking dose haa.

In all seriousness, great to be back sharing my thoughts with a community that I know is most definitely on my wavelength!

Peace out and see you soon ppl ;)
 
PsychedelicReality said:
A pleasure to you see you to Void!

Throughout this journey, I have to give so much credit to Voidmatrix! Always looking out for me and explaining things in a logical, easy to understand way as to open my mind and reassess my thought processes.

I would like to request that we have a Hall of Fame on Nexus for members, many different reasons as to why a member may be inducted and decided upon by a vote to decide :)

Firstly, my vote is for Voidmatrix for outstanding contributions, out of the box thinking and the most genuine guidance and support to members new and old. There are many more reasons as to why, however, the whole community knows of Voids contributions so I will say no more :).

Maybe..... I could be considered for a different reason, stupidity lol. Taking 200mg's in a dab rig is not a hero dose, it's a stupid fucking dose haa.

In all seriousness, great to be back sharing my thoughts with a community that I know is most definitely on my wavelength!

Peace out and see you soon ppl ;)
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This was truly very touching. And humbling :love: It's incredibly meaningful and is absolutely encouraging.

Just doing my best.

Now that you've come back, don't be a stanger;)

One love
 
All I can say Void, is you doing your best is always enough :).

Your so humble I sometimes think you don't realise how much of a positive ripple effect you have on so many people. After a few conversations with you when I first signed up I could just tell you were genuine, kind and most of all that you were for the greater good. The only time I will stop complimenting you is if it ever goes to your head, for example: instead of:

" This was truly very touching. And humbling, It's incredibly meaningful and is absolutely encouraging. Just doing my best "

You say:

" I only say anything on this forum because I know every statement I make is fact, I don't care or value any of your opinions and I don't have to do my best because I'm better than everyone anyway OK "
Start talking like that then things will change my friend lol ;)

I'm back to stay for good now, I truly forgot how brilliant this community is!

Peace and love to all of you, speak soon !
 
PsychedelicReality said:
Your so humble I sometimes think you don't realise how much of a positive ripple effect you have on so many people.
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Thank you very much. There is some irony to your sentiment. Not on purpose mind you, but for a few reasons, I tend to implicitly assume that I'm disliked, even when I am aware that is contrary to how things actually stand. Part of it is definitely a defense mechanism.

PsychedelicReality said:
" I only say anything on this forum because I know every statement I make is fact, I don't care or value any of your opinions and I don't have to do my best because I'm better than everyone anyway OK "
Start talking like that then things will change my friend lol Pleased
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Please do call me out if I ever ever behave in such a manner :lol: I am opposed to such behaviors in others, and have a fear of exhibiting such myself.

Now, do I get to expect some trip reports from you soon?

:love:

One love
 
30-40 trips never had a bad one where I was scared etc, but have had some where the colours weren’t as bright and vibrant so more of a poor trip than a bad one.
 
Try not to judge. I have done DMT at least 1000 times and had several hundred breakthroughs. I would say the rough ride percentage hovers in the 1 to 3% range for me personally.

I have analyzed this. There is no good or bad trip, just a DMT experience. What makes an experience go rough or bad is my not being able to surrender then getting judgemental which starts kind of like, "Something is wrong "

Oh yeah? Really? Says who? My hindsight reminds me DMT gives me what I need not what I think I want.

So if I cannot surrender my judgmental Something is wrong mindset things can rapidly spiral to a state that makes my mind feel like a trapped animal and invites panic. Usually at this point I am sitting up with blindfold off searching for the comfort of a cat.

More often than not I manage to get a grip, lay back down and surrender. After one of these ordeals/struggles the surrender almost always yields amazing visions and feelings and generates one of my Hell and Heaven in My Head or Letting Go or Hanging On That is the Question type reports

The whole phenomenon is very fascinating to me.
 
Pandora said:
I have analyzed this. There is no good or bad trip, just a DMT experience. What makes an experience go rough or bad is my not being able to surrender then getting judgemental which starts kind of like, "Something is wrong "
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Amen, Spice Momma (@Pandora )

We can think it's good or bad relatively and phenomenologically, but it seems to transcend good or bad as we commonly consider such ideals.

One love
 
hate that this thread petered out. the few responses that are here had some nuggets of gold in them and there would likely be much more to mine if the thread caught a bit more of a wave. @Pandora really pointed something out for me that was extremely helpful since recently having my first bad trip experience with spice (if anyone cares to read it i posted the report here A Pale Comparison. My First Hyperslap. ) and it has been tainting subsequent trips at a fair percentage just simply from the little nagging "hope this one doesn't go like that scary one" that's now somewhat present before launch.

what has been happening somewhat regularly is that i haven't been letting go and am almost finding myself negotiating with the spice as i take my first inhale and then before taking my second hit, kindof trying to suss out like "is this feeling like a scary one at all coming on?" and psyching myself out which is leading to a few more rough-ish ones, barely anything happening at all, or just total chickening out halfway through my second hit and riding out a very underwhelming "meh" type experience laiden with anxiety and consfusion..

trip count: around 100-110
bad trips: about 4-5
uneventful/kindof negative due to my own fear dialogue rearing up pre full launch: about 7-8

the first 60-70ish were total blissfull dmt nirvana whether breaking through or not. all rough trips have occured since the first scary one at around trip number 70 and its totally been from the fear of surrendering completely, then thinking maybe somethings wrong, then like @Pandora i'm anxiously sitting up looking for the comfort of a cat only i don't have any cats lol

thanks for the insight. it was sooo much easier to fully surrender when every trip prior had been puppys and rainbows. i remember shortly after and even now a bit, feeling slighty betrayed by the molecule and kindof hurt that it had been so loving and kind and then suddenly after so many beautiful journeys together punched me right in the junk so hard i thought i'd broken reality or died...
 
In about twenty years of tripping and using extracted DMT (more than I can count) I feel like the ratio of my experiences is roughly 80% positive and 20% challenging or confrontational with darker undertones, but still manageable to a large degree. And honestly, in all those years, there have only been two experiences that were truly horrific, full panic attacks and some dark thoughts, the kind you’d call a “hyperslap.” In other words, things always go really well.

Mushrooms, for me, have an completely different ratio that is almost the opposite of dmt, somehow I keep trying them every now and then.
LSD and analogs is always good especially in moderate doses in social settings. Never done very high doses so that is maybe why.
Mescaline is good but because of the fact that it goes on and on I have not been able to use it enough to get to the rough patches.
Miprocin is very nice and I have yet to have an difficult experience .
Metocin same as miprocin but is somewhat boring.
2-cb is great as an party drug, never done more than 20mg and never felt like this stuff was going to go into difficult territory.
Aya and analogs are 90 percent good but most trips are a mix between very good and very confrontational. Aya is serious in a way but still playfull.
Ketamine is always good, no difficult feelings.

Most other psychedelics are good but I have not been able to really try them enough to really make an statement about them.

I think that there is an difference between what some people call a bad trip and what I consider a bad trip. I believe some trips can be confronting or difficult, or they don’t go the way you expected, but that doesn’t automatically make them bad.

For me, a real bad trip is when it goes much deeper. There’s usually a strong sense of panic and fear, a desperate need to escape, to get away from something, or an intense confrontation with something you really don’t want to face. It’s this deeply rooted fear that you can’t avoid and goes on forever.

Those are the hard trips that I personally classify as bad. And then there are trips that really linger afterward, that stay with you in your reality once you’re back, those can also truly challenging.

But overall, it’s not so strange that a trip can be both difficult and beautiful at the same time. I think that’s just part of the whole experience, in a way that makes the experience balanced and meaningful.
 
I've been working with DMT since 2009, so I'm not sure how many experiences I've had. It's been mostly positive, by a wide margin, but I've had my share of difficult and bad experiences. I think we drastically underestimate just how much this experience is (usually) filtering through our ego's emotions, resistance, expectations, fears etc. It seems like the difficult or even bad experiences can instantly shift into something more positive when I relax more, and let go of fear, and/or steer it with things like movement and sound. But sometimes turning the experience around is easier said than done, so IMO it's better to engage in certain techniques before it gets rough.

I think one of the reasons DMT (and psychedelics generally) can be so confusing and inconsistent is because nowadays modern usage rarely involves combining it with the many techniques humans employed for millenia to help steer these experiences into coherence. It's like we're taking an inflatable raft out into a stormy ocean, and not even bringing so much as a paddle or learning how to sail, so we just hang on, try and relax, and hope for the best. I prefer to take LSD first and smoke mid-range doses of DMT, combined with things like acoustics, vocalization, movement, or better yet geocrystalline phononic resonators (i.e. neolithic stone circles and large amethyst clusters). These and other similar techniques are far more useful to me than just laying down and taking a massive dose to the face. It also makes the experience far less difficult, frightening, and confusing.
 

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