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dmt extraction, reed canary grass????
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SWIM has a patch of phalaris arun. growing outside..it has survived a cold winter..and hes going to allow the patch to seed and spread itself...now if only he could get a good batch of phalaris brachystachy seeds...
best way to start phalaris is to start a nice sized tray inside in the early spring..and then when it gets warm enough..just take the tray off the dirt/roots and place it on a clear patch of dirt..the roots will grow down and start living off the land
best way to start phalaris is to start a nice sized tray inside in the early spring..and then when it gets warm enough..just take the tray off the dirt/roots and place it on a clear patch of dirt..the roots will grow down and start living off the land
First: What makes you think there's enough DMT in there to use? Some chemotypes of reed canary grass have usable amounts, others have virtually none.
Second: What makes you believe that it doesn't contain gramine (a toxic alkaloid that frequently occurs in the grass and would most likely be extracted along with the DMT)? Do you have the means to determine whether there is gramine in your final product (like TLC)? Or the means to seperate out the gramine if it is there (like column chromatography)?
There's a reason it's not a popular DMT source.
Second: What makes you believe that it doesn't contain gramine (a toxic alkaloid that frequently occurs in the grass and would most likely be extracted along with the DMT)? Do you have the means to determine whether there is gramine in your final product (like TLC)? Or the means to seperate out the gramine if it is there (like column chromatography)?
There's a reason it's not a popular DMT source.
if one were to take a batch of dried philaris - go stb then pull with xylene and fasa out - would the gramine also be converted to a fumarate ? then when freebasing it, if the gramine is there with the rest - would it be converted back to freebase ?
How about something along the lines of a rue extraction - apparently by using salt a lot of the toxins from the rue is removed ? could this technique possibly be incorporated somewhere, or a simmilar tek, to remove the gramine ?
How about something along the lines of a rue extraction - apparently by using salt a lot of the toxins from the rue is removed ? could this technique possibly be incorporated somewhere, or a simmilar tek, to remove the gramine ?
From my reading around, it seems that Phalaris brachystachys is the key species here, a nice clean alkaloid profile, and mostly pure DMT, and apparently, lots of it. I've got seeds and will be sowing them in a few weeks. Then one can extract the juice with a wheatgrass juicer...
P. aquatca may also be a promising species, but alkaloid profiles may vary a lot between species...may be worth getting hold of an already assayed clone.
It still seems to me that Mimosa is by far the best spice source, although growing one's own sustainable, fast growing, and very subtle, regenerating DMT source does have its attractions...
P. aquatca may also be a promising species, but alkaloid profiles may vary a lot between species...may be worth getting hold of an already assayed clone.
It still seems to me that Mimosa is by far the best spice source, although growing one's own sustainable, fast growing, and very subtle, regenerating DMT source does have its attractions...
i'm pretty sure it is reed canary grass, so i was just gonna collect like 2kilos soak with lye on a mixing plate for 24hrs, then add lighter fluid,mix and let settle, then pour lighter fluid into glass cooking tray and let dry, then scrap my dmt off a glass plate........good or bad idea?
Entropymancer said:
from what i understand reed canary grass has dmt, and whats is it? 05-mdmt, or something....i am not sure its doesnt have gramine in it, i have been reading about the negative effects of that toxin, if there is a suggestion to eleminate gramine, if it is present, that would be a step i would love to take....also i plan to defat this several times, since what i've read says with leaves you have too, but with the bark you do not.
dmt fumarate is not necessarily for injection..its a very stable crystalline powder that has great storage life...and is also very edible..and also the FASA removes the dmt from the solution..leaving the oils and fats behind..
and you can have freebase crystals as well...but what FASA does is take freebase and converts it into a fumaric salt..which then precipitates out of the solution..
and you can have freebase crystals as well...but what FASA does is take freebase and converts it into a fumaric salt..which then precipitates out of the solution..
My elf says he has smoked impure phalaris arundinacea crystals before without toxic effects..but not to the effect of pure spice. Its not the same AT ALL. There is DMT, 5meo, bufo, gramine, hordenine, some beta carbolines and other weird alkaloids. It can be pleasant and there is the pineal buzzing and euphoria of DMT, but I never ever had complicated visual patterns or felt that a breakthrough could be possible. I think all the other alkaloids make it take a diff turn. Someone over at entheogen forums told me he really likes to quid it and compared to virola, a light 5meo euphoria..my elf has never tried virola though.
This plant def could used widely one day, but advanced seperation teks would be necessary for pure spice. My elf is going to attempt some quidding experiments this summer in the woods around his home,to compare it to chaliponga quids.. as the stuff literally grows like an invasive weed around here.
I also thought gramine was NOT active when smoked at the temps used to smoke spice??
This plant def could used widely one day, but advanced seperation teks would be necessary for pure spice. My elf is going to attempt some quidding experiments this summer in the woods around his home,to compare it to chaliponga quids.. as the stuff literally grows like an invasive weed around here.
I also thought gramine was NOT active when smoked at the temps used to smoke spice??