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DMT extraction - what mistake did i make

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DefNotAnEntity

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hi folks,

this is my first post in this forum. So i tried extracting DMT using 250g of grinded mimosa hostilis ( I could have done a better job, although i grinded it). mixing with 3l of water adding hydroxide sodium. Added naphta.
I heated it up and mixed and then turned the jar upside down around 50 times and use the syringe to collect naphta and put it into the freezer.
I collected few grams of "something".

So what i collected is around 20-30% potency of DMT but is definately not strong. It has coconut flakes shape and thickness and is yellowish/brown. Its definately not powdery, and is a little sticky.
I checked on the pH and its around 12.

Could you please advise what might have I Done wrong and why this DMT is so weak and so not clear?
maybe i could refine it somehow? I tried adding naphta and evaporating , but doesn't seem to resolve.

maybe some other technique will be better? I will be grateful for any tips
https://imgur.com/a/5MMBwQ5
 
Hi there, welcome!

Number one question is - are you weighing your doses? You need to be certain you're comparing like with like in this respect.

It also would be useful to know how you take the product - using a pipe, GVG, e-mesh or whatever - as each of these methods could have an impact on the efficiency of the dose. Some modifications of DMT will vaporise more readily than others and may or may not be more suited to various different devices.

As far as the extraction goes, how much sodium hydroxide did you use? Did you do more than one naphtha pull on the base solution? Your amount of product looks quite small for a 250g extraction - how much does it weigh in total?

Coloured product is quite common when extracting from a hot solution. There's a shadow across your picture, but it does look as though you've allowed some of the base soup to get in to the crystallisation dish. This really should be avoided, and you can do so by using a jug to catch the naphtha when you pipette it out of the extraction vessel. If you put a little water in the jug to start with, it will catch any stray droplets of base soup that come over. Then you can transfer the cleaned up naphtha - minus the washing water - into the freeze precipitation dish.

There's ways of cleaning up the contaminated product detailed on the forum, including recrystallisation, and the mini A/B.
 
Transform said:
Hi there, welcome!

Number one question is - are you weighing your doses? You need to be certain you're comparing like with like in this respect.

It also would be useful to know how you take the product - using a pipe, GVG, e-mesh or whatever - as each of these methods could have an impact on the efficiency of the dose. Some modifications of DMT will vaporise more readily than others and may or may not be more suited to various different devices.

As far as the extraction goes, how much sodium hydroxide did you use? Did you do more than one naphtha pull on the base solution? Your amount of product looks quite small for a 250g extraction - how much does it weigh in total?

Coloured product is quite common when extracting from a hot solution. There's a shadow across your picture, but it does look as though you've allowed some of the base soup to get in to the crystallisation dish. This really should be avoided, and you can do so by using a jug to catch the naphtha when you pipette it out of the extraction vessel. If you put a little water in the jug to start with, it will catch any stray droplets of base soup that come over. Then you can transfer the cleaned up naphtha - minus the washing water - into the freeze precipitation dish.

There's ways of cleaning up the contaminated product detailed on the forum, including recrystallisation, and the mini A/B.
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Hey,

I used a video, that was posted on youtube, unfortunately it was taken off since.
I believe I used
- approx 3l of water
- 250g mimosa hostilis
- 700ml naphta
- arund 200-220g of sodium hydroxide


I compared DMT I extracted with DMT obtained elsewhere, and the market one is so much more grainy, potent and pure. I used both Vaporisator (max starry) and e-juice. Both of them were approx at 20% potency level.

I will try to purify the material using methods that you described. I really hope its not lost yet :)

And appreciate your help and time spent on your reply.
 
Transform said:
Did you use all 700mL naphtha in one go, or as several separate, smaller pulls?

Bear in mind that it would be prudent to test material of unknown origin, to ensure that the subjectively greater potency is not the result of some kind of additive.
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700 mlin In one go. I was told that I can use safely naphta several times (up to 5-6) so I am using the same naphta that i used for initial harvest.
The potency matches the effects described in psychonaut wiki. ie 40mg to break through. Unfortunately it would require like 150mg. Also it leaves some residue after burning , so I think I got to refine it.

Another thought was that, I did lousy job grinding the root, as it wasn't perfectly grinded. It left some some larger chunks of grated cheese size. Maybe that's why i am not pulling enough?
 
More pulls should at least help increase the yield. Doing more, smaller naphtha pulls makes the extraction more thorough.

Now that the base solution has had time to sit, the chunks should have broken down a bit more. Get a few more pulls done - no need to heat - and you should at least get a bit more product out. That is, assuming your bark is of a reasonable quality. It could be weak, and/or contain a higher than usual proportion of NMT or something.
 
Great I will do that. I used to heat up both naphta and base , but will stop doing that.
One more question. I read that I should fully fill up the jar to get rid of the air bubbles, is that true?

Shall I add like 250ml of naphta and leave the rest of the jar empty ? Or fill it up with water ? FIlling up with water will decrease the PH... but not sure if its relevant at this point...
 
I think the idea is that without air bubbles there's a slightly lower risk of forming troublesome emulsions. The pH won't be changed all that much, but if this bothers you by all means dissolve a small spoonful of NaOH in the water before adding it. [Remember to take the utmost care when pouring caustic solutions - and always wear eye protection.]

There are also other ways of bringing the naphtha and the base solution into more contact that don't involve juggling a large jar filled to the brim with hazardous materials - stirring with a long polypropylene spoon, for example, or using a turkey baster to inject the naphtha throughout the solution, will also achieve the same practical effect using fairly normal kitchen equipment.

Rigging up some fancy contraption as discussed here would probably be overkill, but it should serve as an illustration of the principle of maximising contact area between the two liquid phases.

Don't worry, incidentally, about getting every last drop of naphtha out from each pull. Any yield in the naphtha that remains 'stuck' in the jar will be picked up by subsequent pulls.

At the end of the pulling process, those last tricky drops of naphtha spread out in a thin layer across the surface can be collected together by pressing a funnel upside-down into the jar so that the naphtha collects in the neck of the funnel.

One final note to add is that extractions in the 50 to 100 gram range are much easier to handle, so another option would be to split the contents of your jar into 3 to 5 smaller portions. [The advice about eye protection gets repeated here as well.]
 
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