DMT in the root cortex, stem, and root-bark of Punica granatum

[entheogenic-gnosis]

On Wikipedia's list of psychoactive plants they list Punica granatum (Pomegranate) as containing DMT in its root cortex, and dried stem and root bark...

Punica granatum "DMT in root cortex;"[61] The dried stem and root bark of the tree contain about 0.4-0.9% alkaloids.

Does anyone know where I can locate the data on the chemical analysis that confirmed this?

-eg

 

[endlessness]

What is the stated source there? Check the footnote

I have a pomegranate tree at home, could test if indeed there are good indications of dmt

 

[Chimp Z]

That sounds amazing.
A pomegranate tree next to an autumn olive.
Sip on some sweet juice on a warm day in autumn...
Then plunge in

Wouldn't surprise me with Citrus trees containing DMT at all.
Traveling California and reading Keeper Trouts accounts of a Eucalyptus possibly containing DMT as well as the great load of Acacias and MImosas on the coast and inland, it seems we underestimate the walloping heap of DMT containing plants growing in that Mediterranean region.
Hell, there are more species of entheogenic Phalaris growing abundantly in Northern regions, to the Bay Area, through San Diego coasts (and moderately inland in rural areas) than any other place in the North America(besides my yard).

Pomegranates are one of the most commonly planted and nursery-available fruit trees I've seen there.

The first thought I have about the tree is it's wellbeing. Are pomegranate roots vigorous?
I used to work in landscaping down there and would trim the trees and I know they are strong.
Never inspected the roots, though.

The links do not work
I did find this however, :

Granat apple - Ayahuasca Forums

someone reports eating a pom during a rue session

Chimp

 

[xa]

I read some time ago in a forum, i don't remember where, that punica contains dmt, but other say that contains also other alkaloid etc etc...but was only bla bla bla and no real data.

I have in my garden a punica little tree but someone told me that is an ornamental variety, it has very little fruits, i was thinking that because here don't grow well, anyway, i can made some photo and post here if someone more expert than me can confirm.

Then i have a lot of little stem to cut, the one that grow from the soil near the plant...i don't want to damage it cutting some roots but i can try an acetone/lime/winegar extraction, i have to take the cortex or all the wood from the stem ? i can cut dry and try the eco tek...then i don't have any reagents or kits to see what there's inside.

EDIT: i search a little, i don't find any data, only some forum post, the extract it's used like antiaging cosmetic and have many use for skin care etc etc...but i don't know if are root or stem or oil from seed...

 

[xa]

Here my Punica brush....can anyone expert tell me what variety is it ?

I can try to cut/dry and extract from the suckers (? if i translate well) that grow from soil with the tree.

Or the effort of doing this are not interesting ?

EDIT: the last photo is a sucker.....sorry for the flip-photos but my connection is slow and i don't want to reupload
In the meanwhile i found this topic on a forum http://www.entheogen-network.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5698&start=20

And search a little more gave me not real data but a good interest on this plant...

 

[Intezam]

We believe it's a deliberate rumor spread by a certain person, and then picked up by others and spread further......perhaps there are trace amounts (like almost everywhere)

 

[xa]

yes, could be very possible.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

What is the stated source there? Check the footnote

I have a pomegranate tree at home, could test if indeed there are good indications of dmt

In this situation it provides a list of psychoactive plants, then next to the plants Latin name it provides a few lines of text regarding the compounds found in that plant. For further information you must explore that plants Wikipedia page, in this case the Wikipedia page itself never mentions DMT, so it's not in the footnotes. the psychoactive plants list makes this claim without reference.

List of psychoactive plants - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's reference is in the link above

Punicaceae
Punica granatum "DMT in root cortex;"[61] The dried stem and root bark of the tree contain about 0.4-0.9% alkaloids.[70]
Rubiaceae
Mitragyna speciosa, 7-hydroxymitragynine [71]
Psychotria carthagenensis, 0.2% average DMT in dried leaves
Psychotria expansa, DMT[61]
Psychotria forsteriana, DMT[61]
Psychotria insularum, DMT[61]

Pomegranate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Then when you explore this plants actual page (link above), no mention of DMT.

This is why I was inquiring about the actual chemical analysis data, because without that lab work it might as well be a rumour.

I'll keeping digging around, though it seems some people here are pretty certain it's a rumour, which it may be, though DMT being found in another plant species doesn't seem all that implausible to me, so I'll at least look for the science...

Why would a person spread such rumours? I mean what would they be getting out of it? I acknowledge this could be the case, but why?

-eg

 

[Intezam]

Why would a person spread such rumours? I mean what would they be getting out of it? I acknowledge this could be the case, but why?

Not sure, but we (used to) call iraryanss (mumblers) because whatever they say, it's got (something to do with) pomegrenade in it....

edit: we believe they (the mumblers) are not guilty in this case. It seems that the following statement:

Punica granatum "DMT in root cortex;" The dried stem and root bark of the tree contain about 0.4-0.9% alkaloids

...can be tracked to a book called "The Dictionary of Sacred and Magical Plants" (1992).

...would be interesting to know if this has been corrected in the 2004 edition...? And who did he quote?

Perhaps the error is only here: "DMT" in root cortex -- the rest of the statement may be correct. (There are alkaloids in p. granatum root bark)

Why ppl do this things? What do they get out of it?
You can have your [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_R%C3%A4tsch]VERY OWN WIKIPEDIA PAGE[/url] ...???

...and one for the wifey :thumb_up:

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Why would a person spread such rumours? I mean what would they be getting out of it? I acknowledge this could be the case, but why?

Not sure, but we (used to) call iraryanss (mumblers) because whatever they say, it's got (something to do with) pomegrenade in it....

edit: we believe they (the mumblers) are not guilty in this case. It seems that the following statement:

Punica granatum "DMT in root cortex;" The dried stem and root bark of the tree contain about 0.4-0.9% alkaloids

...can be tracked to a book called "The Dictionary of Sacred and Magical Plants" (1992).

...would be interesting to know if this has been corrected in the 2004 edition...? And who did he quote?

Perhaps the error is only here: "DMT" in root cortex -- the rest of the statement may be correct. (There are alkaloids in p. granatum root bark)

Why ppl do this things? What do they get out of it?
You can have your [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_R%C3%A4tsch]VERY OWN WIKIPEDIA PAGE[/url] ...???

...and one for the wifey :thumb_up:

In that Christian Rätsch quote they even offered quantification of alkaloid content...so they gave this information with out publishing their analysis? No GC/MS?

Christian Rätsch has been very reliable concerning ethnobotanical information in the past, he doesn't seem like he has built his career off of spreading falsities regarding these things...

It's hard to take a side, because neither side has substantial evidence to corroborate their claims, one side says DMT is there, the other says it isn't, and neither offers a chromatograph readout or analysis information.

It doesn't seem far fetched at all that DMT would be a product in yet another plant, but I still need some empirical evidence before I can reach any conclusions.

-eg

 

[endlessness]

Christian Raetsch is not necessarily always reliable IMO. He has made a few wrong/unsubstantiated claims before. I have his encyclopedia, its a nice book and he's a great anthropologist, but for scientific rigor in references and all, sometimes lacking.. I'd definitely double check.

Out of the top of my head, I remember him claiming harmaline to be the main ingredient in ayahuasca, which is clearly untrue, and also he was the one that everybody referenced when saying chaliponga had 5-meo-dmt, because of unclear/ambiguous information that didn't make it clear it was only found in traces. I saw a few instances in his book where he claims a source but then you cant find it in the bibliography. Take whatever he claims with a grain of salt and be sure to check his sources.