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I posted this on another board but I felt like sharing it here.

"This is my first trip report so bear with me. I am fairly experienced with psychedelics at moderate dosages. I have experimented with mushrooms, LSD, MDMA, and Ketamine. I also smoke cannabis daily. I am especially experienced with LSD as it is my preferred psychedelic(least amount of side effects), although I have not yet explored the high dose range(my highest dosage being ~300-400mcg). I have probably taken LSD 30+ times over the years, mostly at concerts but sometimes alone or with friends. This was my first fully psychedelic experience with DMT. Before this experience I had smoked small amounts about 3 times, all pretty mild experiences comparatively.

I smoked an unknown amount of DMT because my scale is less accurate then I thought and seems unable to measure accurate dosages. I sandwiched it between 2 layers of herb on top of a screen in my bong(with water). I tried a few others ways and this has so far proved to be the most efficient. I am looking into making The Machine (smoking device specifically for DMT) but this will do for now. I estimate that I smoked ~30-40mg. Ok heres the report

I meditated lightly for a a minute or two focusing on my breath, calming my heart rate and easing into a more relaxed state. I then grabbed the bong and slowly roasted the top layer of weed until it lit. By the second hit I knew it was working because it tasted heavily of plasticky tryptamine.

I soon felt an intense rushing feeling accompanied by a high pitched digital sounding tone. The smoke was so harsh I could only take about 2-3 hits. I laid back gasping for air. This is when it gets interesting. I was quickly catapulted into a deep trance in which the thought to open my eyes never even crossed my mind.

Intense thoughts began to stream quickly through my head. I began to experience some pretty intense anxiety during this intital come up. I could see how someone less experienced with psychedelics could panic but I was able to quell these feeling fairly quickly by telling myself to just let it do its thing and try to enjoy it. All psychedelics seem to have an anxiogenic quality for me on the come up. Particularly mushrooms and now DMT it seems.

Once I began to relax and breath normally I was able to focus on the visual effects. Crystalline is a good way to describe the visuals. They consisted of interesting geometric shapes with a transparent overlapping quality. Not too colorful or intense but certainly interesting. They had a distinct quality, different than LSD or mushrooms. They developed and changed at a much slower rate and seemed more organic than mathematical, like LSD can be. This allowed me to study the vision intently and watch it slowly morph and change shape. At one point it seemed to take the shape of an insectoid creature but this could be a result of all the reports I have read describing strange alien entities influencing my interpretation of the visual. With LSD, I usually can exert some degree of control over the visuals. With DMT, its like I have absolutely no control over what im seeing and I'm just along for the ride.

Once I emerged from this trance, I felt some of the most intense feelings of euphoria and bliss wash over me. I have never felt that amazing even from MDMA or opiates. I gasped and moaned at the absolutely sublime pleasure that soaked into my body. Soon these feelings began to fade and I was left with a beautiful afterglow that lasted the rest of the day.

This was definitely an intense experience but I don't think It could be called a breakthrough. I am both scared and excited for my first breakthrough because although this experience was intense on a mental and physical level I was not overwhelmed at all by the visuals. In fact, I have experienced more intense CEVs from ~200mcg LSD. DMT is described as one of the most visuals psychedelics so this tells me that I have barely scratched the surface. I am very excited to explore this chemical ally further."

I just got a vaporgenie today and I'm excited to have a more efficient device. Smoking out of the bong has been hit or miss lately and it can be quite harsh on the lungs if it burns. Any tips on technique? I will be trying it out tomorrow morning with probably ~20 mg on a thin bed of cannabis as a test-run.
 
Smoked freebase 5-HO-DMT (bufotenine) is more visual than DMT, and without all the "mind fuck". With 15-20 mg of smoked freebase 5-HO-DMT SWIM has had visions of other worlds without any mental effects getting in the way. With DMT, you need massive amounts for that type of visual effects, and at such a dosage the “mind fuck” level is really intense.

All SWIM’s friends prefer 5-HO-DMT when it comes to visuals. Nothing else produces more visual effects. DMT is more of a mental psychedelic than a visual psychedelic. 5-HO-DMT is almost entirely just visual.
 
Perhaps I will look into extracting some bufotenin next time. I have noticed that with lower doses it is definitely more mental than visual. It also has a large physical component to it. Feels like your skin is vibrating with energy. When smoking larger doses you feel this very intensely for a few seconds then you really aren't aware of you body after that for a few minutes.
 
I have a VaporGenie. I find it extremely effective and pleasurable to use. I purchased some discs of fine steel mesh of the precise diameter to screw into the threads of the VG. Stacking 5 of these layers is more than enough to prevent any of the melted DMT from dripping through the bottom, and I don't have to make the smoke harsher by adding foreign substances (parsley, weed, etc). HUGE hits are possible with the VG.
 
Nice very good description, made me remember a few key elements from my blast offs as well..

I would recommend picking up some lsd for your next 3 hits of spice, that should be all you need, especially with some other psy drug/inhibitor

You will probably breakthrough fully off two hits, possibly one if you load enough & take a fat full hit.

not only will it slow things down & save you spice, but you will be able to integrate & remember the experience much better this way IMO...
 
Yes I plan on using DMT in conjunction with some other tryptamine quite soon but I wanted to get a little more experienced with DMT by itself before I jump into that. I have both LSD and mushrooms at my disposal. Im not sure which one I want to combine it with though. Considering psilocin is 4-ho-DMT it might synergize better with the N,N. LSD overall is preferred but it is much more of a commodity in my circles. Im also interested in combining it with moderate doses of ketamine.

I will be ordering some THH soon because it seems ideal for the potentiation of both smoked and oral DMT. Does anyone know if it can be vaporized? I have heard that B. Caapi is very effective when combined with DMT and smoked.
 
well unless im just taking small hits, even then, i like to always use dmt with another potentiating drug, i never breakthrough without one, it makes it less scary cause your already somewhat high..

I would say take half and half mushies and acid.. ive done them with dmt together & both seperate with dmt.. both work great, but id say try lsd, lsd just helps you understand alot easier..


This has been the only time i have been able to notice the clowns, the stars of david, the fractals became more clear, i was able to pull certain things out to remember better for art work or just decriptions..

plus its such a short journey & alot of work to breakthrough without "help"
 
I tried my Vaporgenie out this morning. It has completely exceeded my expectations. I was expecting it to be at least a little little harsh but you can barely feel the vapor going into your lungs! The only thing that can be harsh is if you burn the bed of MJ. I have some steel wool I may stick in there so I can eliminate the bed of herb.

This is 100x better than my previous method using a bong. I have noticed that the effects are slightly altered when some or a lot of the DMT gets too hot and burns which often happens with a bong. Seems to have more of a physical effect and is less visually impressive. Both times i have used the vaporizer have been more visual than when smoking.

I recommend this device to anyone who has trouble smoking their DMT. It should make breaking through much easier once I'm read to go for a higher dose.
 
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I recommend this device to anyone who has trouble smoking their DMT. It should make breaking through much easier once I'm read to go for a higher dose.
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Amen to that.
And heads up to Jorkest whos the one who said they were the shit.
They do get harsh towards the end of a big toke, but like you say, thats due to scortching the herbal bed. May have to give the steel wool thing a try.
 
I have a VaporGenie and it's amazing for DMT. I started with fine steel wool which turned out to be a bad idea (small shards of steel can break off the wool and get inhaled or stuck in the pipe). Then I got a few spare discs of steel mesh which I screwed into the threads of the VG with a pin (the finer the mesh, the better). A stack of 4-5 of these seems to do the trick. No need to mess about with herbal beds which can make the smoke harsher.
 
Where did you find the right size screens? I have some spare Volcano screens which are too large but I could easily cut it down. It wont be perfectly round but if I stack 3 or 4 of those it should be adequate to keep the DMT from dripping through.
 
I just went to my local head shop and mentioned I was looking for some extra screens for the VG. They knew what size to give me. The diameter is exactly 5/8 inch or 15.8 mm.
 
Hmm.. strange stuff...

SWIM is quite inexperienced with spice. That said, SWIM has smoked n-oxide a number of times. In the last case, SWIM likely hit the pipe 20+ over the course of 3 hours. Remember, this is n-oxide.

SWIM's experience was quite unlike what SWIM expected. Which should be the case - as words can't even come close to the precision needed to describe such a state (though it is the best we have, sadly). What prompted this reply is the number of references to anxiety and "mind-fuck". SWIM hadn't had anything stronger than a good (3-4g) mushroom dose in many years. When SWIM decided to give it a go, there was a little more anxiety - pre-dose - than if it was something he/she was familiar with. However, once the 2 second counter ended after the last hit, SWIM was astonished at the beauty (visually, eyes closed) and complexity (all levels) of dmt. SWIM was expecting lots of nasty anxiety but walked away with very little. No mind-fucking, no elves, no bullshit. The experience left a lasting impression (see my usefulness thread!).

I'd like to hear from anybody who has smoked n-oxide vs the regular molecule. Are the two that different?

Also, 69ron, I've PM'd you a couple of time. Do you generally not answer PMs or do I have too little patience.

Thanks to all
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What exactly is the difference? How do you seperate/convert N-oxide from the N,N?

Mushrooms are extremely anxiogenic for me even at low doses. I feel very nauseous and confused for the first hour than it usually clears up and I feel great. Although, my last mushroom trip threw me off because I actually threw up, which was a first for me on any psychedelic and I felt fairly nauseous and not quite right my entire trip. Everyone else who ate them was fine and had no gastrointestinal problems at all. I guess it was a fluke but I haven't eaten mushrooms since then because LSD has always been much kinder to me. Does anyone know of a good way of reducing nausea? Cannabis usually works but not when it's real bad. Perhaps I should eat them with a small meal to slow absorption.
 
Try 1000 mg of ginger root powder. It works great for nausea without causing mental effects. I have a bottle of ginger capsules that I use whenever I get nausea. Takes about 15 minutes to start working.

Mushrooms don't cause nausea for SWIM even with massive doses. LSD has a few times made SWIM puke his guts out. Mescaline (and cacti) also doesn’t cause SWIM nausea (but he’s never had a massive dose though). Ayahausca sometimes causes SWIM nausea. Pharmahuasca never causes SWIM nausea.

Everyone is different.

You might try boiling the mushrooms in water for 5 minutes prior to ingestion. That will break down some of the mushroom proteins known to cause nausea in sensitive people. Boiling does very little to the psilocybin content and can actually increase the available psilocin content. SWIM has pressure cooked mushrooms for 1 hour and they were still just as potent as the fresh ones he had. Steam cooking or boiling for about 5 minutes can actually increase the potency because it destroys the enzymes that degrade psilocin. Cooked mushrooms never turn blue meaning the psilocin isn't being oxidized to an inactive molecule anymore. Steam cooking dried mushrooms works great. You can steam cook dried mushroom until all the blue color is gone.
 
Interesting. I will look into ordering some ginger root.

What do you think about making mushroom chocolates? The few times I have had them I didn't experience any nausea and it's very effective in masking the taste. Or possibly throw them in the boiling water while making hot chocolate? I really dislike the taste.
 
69ron said:
Mushrooms don't cause nausea for SWIM even with massive doses. LSD has a few times made SWIM puke his guts out. Mescaline (and cacti) also doesn’t cause SWIM nausea (but he’s never had a massive dose though). Ayahausca sometimes causes SWIM nausea. Pharmahuasca never causes SWIM nausea.

Everyone is different.


yea i've puked on the come up on acid about 4 or 5 times.. once with shrooms, but i ate a lot and it was my first time.

but with high enough doses of shrooms say in the 7-10 gram range(unless you have a really potent batch then 3-5 grams)
you just lay down after a while & go out of your body & such, level 5 experience like Erowid describes exactly.

yea & the nausea is sometimes just in your head & easy to overcome
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I can get nauseous when I eat shrooms but making a good tea out of them decreases the nausea. Once I could eat massive doses of shrooms and always just felt fine. But not anymore. Maybe I'm getting too old for this? :p hehehe
But I don't like to eat shrooms on an empty stomach like some people. I need to eat something a while before and while tripping I sometimes like to have a piece of melon or an orange or some other juicy fruit. If I get hungry while tripping I can feel really bad. I'm skinny so I need to be burning something.
 
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