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Very nice post Apoc,

I find that all experiences should be viewed from multiple perspectives. We as humans seem to be much more multi-faceted than we allow for in our interpretation of these special experiences. When something happens to us it touches us on so many levels at once, it only makes sense to look at the implications on each of these levels separately and then integrate them together, rather than just choose the one that feels the most plausible.

Entities or spirits can be seen from a magical/mythical perspective as really there, guiding, luring, misguiding, teaching etc. Whatever positive or negative that we gain from looking at them like this is real to us.
On another level, say the psychological one entities could be viewed as shadow-aspects of ourselves that are not fully integrated into what we call our conscious self. They affect us like alien forces because we are not aware of these motions within ourselves.
On another level we could believe that entities are higher aspects of ourselves that we are only slowly becoming aware of and merging into as we evolve; that these experiences in a way give rise and life to these structures within ourselves but they are perceived as *other* for various reasons, like simply not being used to them or them not being fully connected to the *normal* patterns of our minds.

I'm sure there are more levels, countless ones probably from which one can view an experience with entities. Even things like *this and this happened to me in the past few days and was reflected in a dream-like fashion in my experience, manifesting itself as entities* are valuable ways to look at things. But I find none of these alone are sufficient. Only when taken together does the experience fully unfold its power upon my being and I can work on all levels with what I was shown.

Now as for enlightenment, xebiche and AwarenessCosmic, both of you seem to have a very strong idea of what it is, and frankly this scares me. It's all a bit absolutistic for my taste. In my experience there seems to be no absolute truth and no final awakening. The state of gnosis or enlightenment to me is no state at all, but a continuous process of overcoming what is old and emerging into something new; incessant transmorphology.
In that sense I could never really define what enlightenment is, because it changes from one moment to the next, and I could never say that I am enlightened because this implies some kind of steady-state which IMO there just isn't.
For now I cultivate and transmutate the energies of life. I *am* nothing; I become...

<blockquote data-quote="Enoon" data-source="post: 3412601" data-attributes="member: 5949">Very nice post Apoc, I find that all experiences should be viewed from multiple perspectives. We as humans seem to be much more multi-faceted than we allow for in our interpretation of these special experiences. When something happens to us it touches us on so many levels at once, it only makes sense to look at the implications on each of these levels separately and then integrate them together, rather than just choose the one that feels the most plausible. Entities or spirits can be seen from a magical/mythical perspective as really there, guiding, luring, misguiding, teaching etc. Whatever positive or negative that we gain from looking at them like this is real to us. On another level, say the psychological one entities could be viewed as shadow-aspects of ourselves that are not fully integrated into what we call our conscious self. They affect us like alien forces because we are not aware of these motions within ourselves. On another level we could believe that entities are higher aspects of ourselves that we are only slowly becoming aware of and merging into as we evolve; that these experiences in a way give rise and life to these structures within ourselves but they are perceived as *other* for various reasons, like simply not being used to them or them not being fully connected to the *normal* patterns of our minds.I&#039;m sure there are more levels, countless ones probably from which one can view an experience with entities. Even things like *this and this happened to me in the past few days and was reflected in a dream-like fashion in my experience, manifesting itself as entities* are valuable ways to look at things. But I find none of these alone are sufficient. Only when taken together does the experience fully unfold its power upon my being and I can work on all levels with what I was shown. Now as for enlightenment, xebiche and AwarenessCosmic, both of you seem to have a very strong idea of what it is, and frankly this scares me. It&#039;s all a bit absolutistic for my taste. In my experience there seems to be no absolute truth and no final awakening. The state of gnosis or enlightenment to me is no state at all, but a continuous process of overcoming what is old and emerging into something new; incessant transmorphology. In that sense I could never really define what enlightenment is, because it changes from one moment to the next, and I could never say that I am enlightened because this implies some kind of steady-state which IMO there just isn&#039;t. For now I cultivate and transmutate the energies of life. I *am* nothing; I become...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Enoon, post: 3412601, member: 5949"] Very nice post Apoc, I find that all experiences should be viewed from multiple perspectives. We as humans seem to be much more multi-faceted than we allow for in our interpretation of these special experiences. When something happens to us it touches us on so many levels at once, it only makes sense to look at the implications on each of these levels separately and then integrate them together, rather than just choose the one that feels the most plausible. Entities or spirits can be seen from a magical/mythical perspective as really there, guiding, luring, misguiding, teaching etc. Whatever positive or negative that we gain from looking at them like this is real to us. On another level, say the psychological one entities could be viewed as shadow-aspects of ourselves that are not fully integrated into what we call our conscious self. They affect us like alien forces because we are not aware of these motions within ourselves. On another level we could believe that entities are higher aspects of ourselves that we are only slowly becoming aware of and merging into as we evolve; that these experiences in a way give rise and life to these structures within ourselves but they are perceived as *other* for various reasons, like simply not being used to them or them not being fully connected to the *normal* patterns of our minds. I'm sure there are more levels, countless ones probably from which one can view an experience with entities. Even things like *this and this happened to me in the past few days and was reflected in a dream-like fashion in my experience, manifesting itself as entities* are valuable ways to look at things. But I find none of these alone are sufficient. Only when taken together does the experience fully unfold its power upon my being and I can work on all levels with what I was shown. Now as for enlightenment, xebiche and AwarenessCosmic, both of you seem to have a very strong idea of what it is, and frankly this scares me. It's all a bit absolutistic for my taste. In my experience there seems to be no absolute truth and no final awakening. The state of gnosis or enlightenment to me is no state at all, but a continuous process of overcoming what is old and emerging into something new; incessant transmorphology. In that sense I could never really define what enlightenment is, because it changes from one moment to the next, and I could never say that I am enlightened because this implies some kind of steady-state which IMO there just isn't. For now I cultivate and transmutate the energies of life. I *am* nothing; I become... [/QUOTE]