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DMT vs Salvia D. comparison

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mad_banshee

mad_banshee

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So for a few years now swim has been enjoying salvia d and has pretty much mastered control of this wonderful tool.
Recently, swim has discovered dmt and is getting attracted to it more and more.
Today, swim used some dmt and an hour later some salvia d. to try to compare.

DMT = high energy, extreme visuals, TOTAL separation from self. Like having a short mental and physical workout but so worth it. A couple of visits in a day can leave one pretty tired but very warmed.

Salvia = drop in energy to the point of loss of self, but always in contact with self at some level. Salvia is like taking an amazing relaxing vacation in 10 minutes to come back refreshed and ready for more life.

So for swim, its DMT when he wants to join with the exciting and the amazing, and salvia d. when he wants a laid back soul regenerating experience. Both very wonderful yet very different.

At some point swim plans to join the two into one experience but has no idea what to expect. He'll start with small dosage mixtures for sure. Has anyone experienced this combination? Swim isn't sure he even wants to go there.

Peace

Sight Seeker
 
SWIM has combined the two..and not surprisingly salvia and dmt kinda duke it out..but no matter the dose of salvia..she wins...she becomes the container that holds the dmt..and directs it..its not exactly ..enjoyable..but its interesting non the less...and it also seems more like you the experiencer is just witnessing this..and the salvia and dmt..are completely caught up in their battle for control..and dont pay attention to you at all..its like you are sitting on the side lines..

but Salvia sure does enjoy experiencing an altered state of consciousness....
 
Jorkest said:
SWIM has combined the two..and not surprisingly salvia and dmt kinda duke it out..but no matter the dose of salvia..she wins...she becomes the container that holds the dmt..and directs it..its not exactly ..enjoyable..but its interesting non the less...and it also seems more like you the experiencer is just witnessing this..and the salvia and dmt..are completely caught up in their battle for control..and dont pay attention to you at all..its like you are sitting on the side lines..

but Salvia sure does enjoy experiencing an altered state of consciousness....
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Thats what I was afraid of. As you mention what happens, I can picture that and vision why that would be.
I don't think I would enjoy witnessing this battle for control. I like to go with the flow, so going into a battle to me sounds conflicting and sort of like a bummer. Judging from your response and my experience with both, I think I'll keep them seperate for now. Thanks for saving me the trouble of what sounds too conflicting for my tastes.

Peace

Sight Seeker
 
sight_seeker said:
Salvia = drop in energy to the point of loss of self, but always in contact with self at some level. Salvia is like taking an amazing relaxing vacation in 10 minutes to come back refreshed and ready for more life.
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I guess you must be chewing it? Because smoking extract can mean complete loss of ego, becoming an inanimate object with no idea of self, or ceasing to understand the concept of existence, or ceasing to exist completely. While SWIM is glad he experimented with it, SWIM finds this too scary! And afterwards he feels very unsettled.
 
ohayoco said:
sight_seeker said:
Salvia = drop in energy to the point of loss of self, but always in contact with self at some level. Salvia is like taking an amazing relaxing vacation in 10 minutes to come back refreshed and ready for more life.
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I guess you must be chewing it? Because smoking extract can mean complete loss of ego, becoming an inanimate object with no idea of self, or ceasing to understand the concept of existence, or ceasing to exist completely. While SWIM is glad he experimented with it, SWIM finds this too scary! And afterwards he feels very unsettled.
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No, swim smokes it, and he is a hardcore visitor who smokes 25x extract and does so on a fairly regular basis. This takes him to the bowels of non-existance but he feels that at most any point he could be quickly summoned to come out of it and always feels some connection to what is going on.

With DMT swim feels totally gone, totally apart from where he is sitting and totally not in touch with the body he has/had. Its a state of pure disassociation.

Swim hates to admit it, but when he was a youngster he got caught up in the foolishnes of sniffing glue. Testors glue with toulene. Now as bad as this is, people should understand the incredible alien high it imparts. It is amazing, and so much so that kids will die for it. Well, DMT is the closest swim has come to experiencing this and I would say it is the equal of the vile act of glue sniffing in terms of where it brings one.

This is not to compare dmt use to huffing solvents, god no. ( and I'm glad I was caught as a kid before I screwed myself up huffing glue.) But dmt is a most amazing ( and natural, and healing vs damaging) wonder material and I'm so glad I've found it.

Peace

Sight Seeker
 
bufoman said:
SWIM feels very refreshed after a DMT experience.
SWIM has not tried Salvia but would like too but from what many friends have told him and reports he would agree with what is reported by ohayoco.
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Thats interesting, because salvia leaves swim refreshed, but dmt leaves swim kind of tired, but feeling very good as if he had done a very worthwhile endevor.
Yes, try salvia, I think your swiy will like it if he likes dmt.
 
In SWIMS younger days there was some huffing (keyboard cleaner will fuck you up like crazy.. waawaaao waoaawaoaaa) but definitely a bad idea. Man what juvenile probation will do to you when you can smoke pot.... Personally SWIM does not see a comparison to any of these compounds?? or any other chemical she has tried.
SWIm rarely ever got a dissociative effect from DMT. But there is no doubt that everyone has different subjective responses to these compounds. Also one has to wonder how much one's linguistics and the difficulty in explaining these experiences play in our explanations and categorizations of these experiences. MEaning even if two people have the same type of experience they may each explain it completely differently depending on a variety of factors.
 
soulfood said:
Salvia to me is like a nasty slap in the face that leaves one confused.

DMT is good.
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Well, salvia can be harsh, and I have a lot to say about that. Basically one has to learn salvia very slowly with small amounts and become accustomed to her.
I know of people who used strong extracts the first few times and will never go back, and I understand why, but they did it all wrong. Salvia is SO different than dmt. Salvia needs that slow learning curve to become accustomed, but then it can be very much loved. DMT is very different in that respect.

Peace
Sight Seeker
 
SWIM would say though that DMT is somewhat like that too. It is better to get to know the effects first before jumping right in... At least in SWIMs past experience this makes most people more comfortable with the experience. They are then able to let go during future high dose journeys. But that is a very good point about salvia most people likely just take a high dose the first time explaining all this dislike of it...
 
bufoman said:
SWIM would say though that DMT is somewhat like that too. It is better to get to know the effects first before jumping right in... At least in SWIMs past experience this makes most people more comfortable with the experience. They are then able to let go during future high dose journeys. But that is a very good point about salvia most people likely just take a high dose the first time explaining all this dislike of it...
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Maybe that was the problem swim had with DMT at first then. He had read that one NEEDS to take like 50mg to "get there," so he did. Swim was overfucking whelmed and scared to shit. Swim went back to the drawing board and exercised for a month straight daily to feel more physically prepared for this spice adventure, and it worked. He now is ready and enjoys it very much. Maybe he should have started off with smaller amount to begin with....duh...lol...

Thats easy to understand in retrospect. Ah well.....he's a spice lover now however it transpired!

Peace

Sight Seeker
 
Yea, SWIM is always surprised when he hears people who want to take a break through dose the first time. WHY? Go slow and show respect for these compounds. If you treat them with respect and get to know them they will treat you right....
 
SWIM has never really had the desire to try salvia because of reports that he has heard. SWIM was given the impression that more often than not it doesn't offer a very enriching or positive experience. However, it sounds like maybe he should reconsider.
 
From a personal standpoint, salvia has been a great teacher plant. But it is not for everyone, as observed in people's trip reports. I would not discourage giving it a try. The trip is relatively short and salvia is in no way dangerous.
 
sight_seeker said:
soulfood said:
Salvia to me is like a nasty slap in the face that leaves one confused.

DMT is good.
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Well, salvia can be harsh, and I have a lot to say about that. Basically one has to learn salvia very slowly with small amounts and become accustomed to her.
I know of people who used strong extracts the first few times and will never go back, and I understand why, but they did it all wrong. Salvia is SO different than dmt. Salvia needs that slow learning curve to become accustomed, but then it can be very much loved. DMT is very different in that respect.

Peace
Sight Seeker
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I think this opinion has more to do with how Salvia effects me personally. I was kind of foolish in how I first tried salvia. I was quite young, it came in the post and my mum brought the package to my bed and then left for work. As soon as I got out of bed I reached for my pipe, packed it with 20x extract and leaned out the window and went for it. With such a lack of knowledge of what it did at the time I was quite surprised I can tell you. Looking back with what I know now... I was asking for a bad one I guess.

I tried it a few times more and didn't like it. Extreme mental discomfort and genreal dysphoria seems to be all I come to. Last week was the next time I tried it after that. It was a much milder extract and I had a much smaller dose than usual. But I still got this discomfort and the I decided the part I dislike the most is how I don't feel like me at all after it is smoked and feel absolutely nothing in it's after effects.

With DMT, although I consume it orally more than smoke it, when I do smoke it I have no loss of self. Just a lapse in awareness of my body and I feel a loving presence and it gives me the best afterglow. I can never sleep after because I get so psyched up about it.

I think the thing with salvia is, it is so different to anyrthing else. I don't believe there's many other substances that operate in the same way and because of this all my previous experiences with psychedelics mean absolutely nothing in terms of what I can handle. But then my friends all seem to have positive effects, giggles, cheerful experiences amusing memories. Whereas I smoke it and I get the same feeling as waking up in an ambulance. Not very nice at all.
 
Salvia gave me strange bodily sensations, meetings with small creatures who call themselves "those who spin the merry go round" and feelings of merger with virtual, alien like objects like blops of neon alien slime driping down. It left me somewaht disturbed but also fascinated, like an unsolved riddle ...but you don't know if you should start to think about it again...

Low Dose DMT has been beautiful, enthusiastic, breath taking and colorful.

I can understand why some people say that both provide opposite experiences.
 
salvia freaks me right the fark out - i dont like it 1 bit at all - like a bad place i somehow know well. way too hard to deal with - swim allways felt flipping A after the experience and that feeling lasted a long time but imo salvia requires dedication - a lot of dedication - to that plant alone and swim doesnt like the energy so the drive is not there. swim can confidently say he will never smoke salvia again.
 
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