Do all wattle trees contain DMT

[Skydome]

I am lead to believe that all wattle trees contain DMT, am I wrong or right?

Reason I ask this, is because I've just moved into a new house and it has two established wattle tree's on the yard and the area I moved to has lots of wattle trees all around.

I'll take a photo of the flowers/leaves tomorrow so you can hopefully identify it.

Also, is extracting the dmt dangerous?

 

[paperjack]

I am lead to believe that all wattle trees contain DMT, am I wrong or right?
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Also, is extracting the dmt dangerous?

Most plants in general contain DMT in trace quantities, however only a few have an above-average % of DMT in them.
You can read about which acacias have been confirmed as having DMT in here:

Category:DMT Containing Plants - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

Extraction isn't more dangerous than cooking a complex dish, but you can still get injured if you have no idea what you're doing. There are non-toxic TEKs if you're looking into safety.

Category:Extraction Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

 

[DoingKermit]

Acacia iteaphylla, known as the "Flinders Ranges Wattle".

Here's another thread relating to the wattle tree.

 

[Skydome]

Thanks for the replies, I'll read about extraction through the week.

Anyway, here's some photos of the two tree's, I'm certain they are an Acaccia, but just not sure what type.

I did a bit of googling and came up with either Acacia longifolia, Acacia covenyi, Acacia genistifolia or Acacia myrtifolia but I'm not 100 percent certain.

The area I live in now has a lot of wattle tree's around so I don't think it's something else.

 

[Skydome]

Anyone?

Also, can you get the DMT from the leaves/flowers or does it have to be from the bark of the tree?

Is there an extraction process that doesn't require a huge amount of materials? had a look at them and they seem to require quit a bit of materials.

I'm after a way of just getting the DMT, for my first attempt I don't want anything too complicated or too strong.

 

[BongWizard]

The first photo is very likely a. Longifolia, the second and third could be as well, although they may be a different species (ime lingo folia tends to have chains of flowers like in the first photo, although the second and third could be a younger plant, I'm not entirely sure and I'm certainly not a botanist, so don't quote me on this).

Typically the alkaloid content of the phylodes and flowers is quite low (although there are a few exceptions eg a. Simplex). The highest concentration is almost always in the inner root bark.

And to address the initial question, no. While there are a wide range of acacias that contain trace amounts of DMT and quite a few (relative to other genera) that contain an appreciable amount, not all acacias contain DMT.

 

[KloudQ7]

In acacia confusa there are alkaloids in the stems and phylodes not much though root bark is best. Swim uses 2 pots 3 jars 1gal vinegar 250g lye and 1-2000 ml naptha to make 20gs+ from a kilo.thats not alot of materials. Fairly cheap too

 

[DreaMTripper]

Looks like a.sophorae and a.melanoxylon.

 

[Skydome]

Typically the alkaloid content of the phylodes and flowers is quite low (although there are a few exceptions eg a. Simplex). The highest concentration is almost always in the inner root bark.

For my first time, I'm not after a large amount or a strong one, just something to get me started without it been too intense.

And I'm not sure if getting the root bark or whatever would kill the tree, I don't want to hurt it

In acacia confusa there are alkaloids in the stems and phylodes not much though root bark is best. Swim uses 2 pots 3 jars 1gal vinegar 250g lye and 1-2000 ml naptha to make 20gs+ from a kilo.thats not alot of materials. Fairly cheap too

Is there a link to this extraction process?

Looks like a.sophorae and a.melanoxylon.

Just googled them and it does look like it.

 

[KloudQ7]

Swim uses his own special method, but here is one that is similar. I will type mine up at some point

Avertissement de redirection

 

[Skydome]

Swim uses his own special method, but here is one that is similar. I will type mine up at some point

Avertissement de redirection

That sounds a bit sketchy. Is there a way of doing that doesn't have health risk like going blind?

Since this is my first time, I want an extraction process that is more or less safe, maybe not a huge gain of DMT, but just enough to get my first taste of it.

 

[KloudQ7]

Use pickling lime instead of lye. Or wear goggles

 

[Skydome]

Where do you get pickling lime?

Also, can you get the rest of the ingredients from say bunnings or a hardware store?

And can I extract dmt from the leaves/flowers or does it need to be from the bark?

Also, there seems to be a lot of steps and specifics to that method, which I know I'll screw up somehow. is there another method that might not be as complicated or with as many steps but with lesser quality dmt?

 

[BongWizard]

If you don't wanna use lye (although I highly recommend lye), go to woolies and buy washing soda (sodium carbonate. Near the washing powder). Naphtha can be bought at bunnings (shellite, it's near the paint). The rest is fairly self explanatory.

You can try the phylodes, but ime (and I've done a lot of testing with natives) you'll get a negligible yield. Root bark is a much better option.

The method is not that complex, although many people over complicate it either through lack of understanding or poor communication. Basically, the method is;

Acidify: Cook plant material in 8-10 volumes of aqueous solution of pH 2-3 (read: 1:4 vinegar:water) for 2-3 hours mixing occasionally
Base: add base to the resultant soup such that the pH reach 12+ (30g/L of lye will get you there. You'll need more like 150g/L of na2co3, which you have to add slowly because it will release co2 upon neutralisation). Give this solution a good mix every 5 minutes for an hour or so.
Extract: add 50mL of naphtha and gently (but thoroughly) mix into the aqueous solution. Allow to separate and repeat 3x. Remove naphtha layer with a syringe, sep funnel or baster and place into your evap dish. Repeat 3 more times (giving you 200mL of alkaloid laden naphtha, if extracting from more than 100g of bark, use 200mL/100g)
Evap: place your dish naphtha in front of a fan and allow to evaporate.

Result is a crude product containing DMT and other alkaloids(assuming your input material contained DMT).

 

[Skydome]

So basically I just replace lye with washing powder and get shellite (SP)?

I'm still not sure I'm entirely understanding the process, maybe you could pm me a more in depth instruction for it.

I don't think I can reply to pm's yet though, but I need to make sure I understand the process and items correctly before doing it.

And what is rootbark? I here the word getting tossed around a lot, I am under the assumption it's the inner part of the tree, the branches or what not? Am I right or wrong in this assumption?

 

[BongWizard]

Not washing powder, WASHING SODA. Washing powder is typically a weak base (sodium carbonate) mixed with detergent and fragrances. Washing soda is pure sodium carbonate.

Although you can use sodium carbonate (na2co3), I still recommend using lye. Sodium carbonate is a weak base and will require about 5x the mass to reach the same pH (up to 12). Also, na2co3 liberates co2 upon neutralisation, causing a lot of foam, thus it should be added slowly to prevent overflow.

Root bark is just what it sounds like: bark from the tree's roots. Specifically the inner root bark is generally the highest in alkaloids. The fibrous inner bark from the trunk can also contain appreciable amounts of alkaloids too.

Read cyb's tek for a more thorough explanation of extraction

Cybs' Hybrid ATB 'Salt' Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

You can skip the freeze precipitation and simply evap the nps to yield a crude alkaloid product (often contaminated with fats and tannins).

 

[Skydome]

wouldn't getting the root bark kill the tree? It also sounds like a lot of effort

Is it possible to grind up the flowers leaves and the branches and get it?

 

[BongWizard]

No, you can sustainably harvest roots (and their bark) quite easily. Just take the smaller woody roots. As it turns out, the younger roots tend to have higher alkaloid content than older ones.

Cut roots that are a little thicker than your thumb and allow them to sun dry for a couple weeks. Hit the dried roots with a hammer and collect the bark that breaks off. often the inner bark will cling to the wood, so it helps to peel it back until you see a distinct change in colour (which signifies the transition from bark to wood).

You don't necessarily have to separate the bark from the roots either. So long as you break up the fibre pile, you can use whole roots (READ: smash them with a hammer and soak in acid for a couple days).

You can also use bark from the branches and trunk, although these tend to yield lower quantities of alkaloids with more fat.

 

[Skydome]

Ahh, so I could cut some of the branch off and sundry the branch without hammering it I assume, or after hammering it? Than get it from there?

I'm not fussed with the low quantities yield as yet since it's going to be my first time.

 

[BongWizard]

Yeah you can try that. Dry the plant material first (a week in the Aussie summer sun does it nicely) then smash it up and collect the bark (that way the bark dries quicker than the wood and breaks off while the wood hangs together).

If you're gonna use trunk/branch bark, I recommend incrasing the quantity (double or even triple) then soaking in a mild acid solution for a couple days before you boil. Then filter the bark out and reduce the solution to 1-2L.

That way the method looks like:
1. Soak 500g branch bark in 5L of vinegar solution (1L vinegar, 4L water) for at least a day.
2. Bring mixture to a boil for 2-3 hours
3. Filter bark using an old shirt or dish cloth
4. Reduce acid solution to about 1L
5. Allow to cool and pour solution into 2L glass bottle
6. In a separate bottle dissolve 200g na2co3 and 50g salt in 700mL water
7. Add na2co3 solution to acid solution a mix thoroughly for at least 1 hour
8. Add 50mL naphtha to the now alkaline solution and top up with water (so you have the best resolution for your pulls)
9. Mix gently (but thoroughly) and allow to separate. Repeat 4x
10. Remove top layer (naphtha) with a syringe/baster/sep funnel and place in evap dish
11. Repeat steps 8-10 4x (without the water top up, obviously)
12. Evaporate naphtha to yield crude alkaloid product