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Hello, off the bat I already assume the answer is yes, I just want someone who is more knowledgeable to reaffirm it. I recently did ~25mg of dmt on my e-mesh which i've read everywhere thats a breakthrough dose, i inhaled for about 10 seconds and got it all and definitely didn't burn it, i sat back and nothing. This has happened once before with a 40mg dose I did with a bong and mesh ball. It was like there was this presence there playing with my mind and my surroundings, the previous time it was playful but this time it was cold. My eyes were almost forced open, and my thoughts were like string in a yarn ball being unraveled for fun by whatever this entity was. My room where I was laying was not my room, but it was as I could make out everything in it but it was all wrong and I couldn't recognise it. It did feel like a trick though, like something was funny, or atleast comical. I tried to laugh because with trips in the past it's usually jesters that are doing things to me and if I laugh and relax they let up, but not this time. There were no pretty colors, there were no fractals, just unexplainable morphing of my reality in the exact same way that it was with my 40mg dose. I was still at awe because I could not believe what I was seeing but I was kinda over it because I've done this already and I don't particularly like it too much, it's very intense. It's hard to remember but I feel like whatever entity was there was not trying to show me anything, because the last time I got a message from whatever it was and this time there was nothing.

I wouldn't mind going back if I had to, but I want to see the aliens and I want to see pretty colors. Am I just not taking enough? idk if weight matters but I'm 150lbs so I'm not very heavy.

Also from what i've read, people who experience something similar to this say its their Ego's last line of defence before it dies. Was I close to a breakthrough?
 
Firstly, was this DMT that you extracted yourself, from a known plant source?

And secondly, do you have prior experience with any other psychedelics?

Finally, how long did you hold in the vapour? It's no use exhaling a huge cloud 2 seconds after finishing the inhale and expecting it to work, for example.


If all of the above criteria are in order then there may be a psychological or physiological reason for the apparent lack of efficacy - the 'unravelling mind' effect seems to indicate that DMT has a specific process for you that isn't simply a matter of pretty pictures. Know thyself!

Welcome to the Nexus, too :)
 
Firstly, was this DMT that you extracted yourself, from a known plant source?
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Extracted myself with Q21 tek, its white and fluffy, mhrb from a reputable seller.

And secondly, do you have prior experience with any other psychedelics?
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Only experience with Amanita and salvia, neither of which experiences were profound.

Finally, how long did you hold in the vapour?
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I held for 5-10 seconds, ik it was in between there because i've read thats optimal.

I will add, when I'm in that state that I referenced in my post I get this feeling that what I took wasn't DMT, but I don't think that has any importance, because it's definitely DMT.

As for the mind unraveling, I honestly have no idea what it could be psychologically or physiologically. I am very spiritual, eat very healthy and exercise daily, I'm also training to become a therapist as I feel I have a strong understanding of emotions, but idk if that has to do with anything I experienced. I've also had many strange things happen when meditating, one experience I believe was a DMT trip, the ringing and strapped to a rocket feeling so many talk about happened while my close eyes vision filled with light. I have absolutely no recollection of that happened during the "trip" though, but definitely felt transported somewhere else.

Welcome to the Nexus, too
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thanks brody:thumb_up:
 
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Do you take any medication or herbal supplements? There are a couple of substances that can, to some extent, cancel out the effects of DMT.
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I take a few supplements but no medication. Ill list all the supplements I take.

KSM-66 Ashwagandha
Fish Oil
NAC
Lion's Mane extract
Cordyceps Extract
Tongkat Ali
Magnesium Glycinate
Creatine
Vitamin B Complex
Shilajit

Nothing jumps out as if it would interfere with DMT.
 
I think ashwaganda could potentially dull the experience. With the emphasis on could, because from the back of my head, and i could be wrong on this, i believe it has some kind of GABA-ergic activity. It would depend on how strong this activity is, and how much you would take, but benzodiazepines for instance, wich are 100% gaba-ergic, are known to dull the effects of almost all psychedelics. Even of DMT.

With MAOI's, people have conflicting experiences. Obviously MAOI's are used to take DMT orally, but MAOI's could also affect how psychedelics work. And it seems, from what people are reporting on forums like this, that the way MAOI's affect the psychedelic experience, is different for each person.

Changa is probably the best example of this. For most people, the MAOI's in changa, make the experience less frantic and more calm. But whether it increases or decreases visuals seems to realy differ. I've not counted how many times i've heard people claiming one or the other, so this is not a scientific answer at all, but some people seem to experience less visuals with changa, while others experience more visuals and it's probably something like 50/50%.

I personally experience less visuals with the addition of caapi or rue, and a noticably different headspace.

I don't know much about tongkat ali, but cordyceps may be an MAOI. Lions mane definately does something to the brain, so it could maybe have some kind of interaction as well.

So i mean, some of these substances could maybe interact with DMT, depending on how much is taken and when, and also things like personal metabolism and so on.

There are some people here who know a lot more about all the biochemistry behind DMT than me though, so maybe they could help shed some more light on this.
 
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