DODGY PEYOTE VENDORS

[kemist]

Time ago parrot brought 4 little peoytes from nursery. ILPT loved them an decide get some more,much bigger ones, so his windowsill will be full of this wonderful species.
ILPT don`t want peyote for often munching! He just need to bioassay peyote first then hardgrow the same batch ,cut it, have one proper strong and visionary trip on his 30th Birthday, theng grow the leftover bottoms for another 30 years and give it to his son on his 30th birthday. ILPT`s son can past it on his son(or daughter)and so on !
PLease give ILPT advice. He seen massive peyotes for over £300, but is it worth it?
As he was googling for Europian vendors, he accidentaly found board with this post:

Every shop from Europe with cacti (Peyote not Pedro's) is only decorative or collective plant! They doesn't have maybe even tenth of true Peyote which grow in nature! Big cacti are only grafted ones. TRUST ME!!!
They aren't growed in region round the flow of Rio Grande-Chihuahua desert-other cacti "forests" trough northern Mexico and southern Texas-Arizona-New Mexico and California. Those Peyotes which you can buy in Europe are from cacti growers and as I sad with grafting technique.
Grafting truly enlarge Peyote to sizes similar like 15-25 years but those cacti contains no alkaloids, ZERO, NADA! And those cacti are then cut of from hosts and placed on soil to produce roots or somewhat of what I call roots! Do you know that Peyote have two times larger root then green body or head!? And tell me my friend, how much you need to wait to cacti grow root as 25 years old one? And that 25 years old one needed 25 YEARS FOR THAT!!!!
Shops with big ones are frauds in psydelic point of view, but from collectors perspective, that Peyote is beautiful specimen.

If you want to buy mescaline Peyotes, find Americans shop. They will sell you so beautiful and wonderful stuff which will your ass stick to the ground for next 24 hours!
And buy smaller ones! Peyote contains same amount of alkaloids after first flowering or maturing.
Also USA links are hard to get! You will need to read many links and send many mails to Native Americans. But you will certainly succeed. I had before couple years such link with one guy-grower in Texas. Bad things is cause Peyote is illegal in USA! This is why you will need to make all mentioned.

I.L.P.T. suddenly became very sad because deal looked promising, parrot among the bigga peyote also found two 5-5,5cm peyotes for £30 or one 5cm "hard grown" for £22.But how he can trust the vendors after reading this post? The same bloke wrote also this:

Grafting is only "meat" and water building! By this way your cacti grow size will be like three years for one year of normal growth(for three years grafing he will reach his maximum size). But cacti is out of mescaline! You need his own roots for mescaline production. And bout glue grafting? Small part of glue can't do damage, only help! Because if Peyote doesn't holds up right he will dry out and root!

Cacti needs minimum 3-4 years for right roots developing and alkaloid production! And second, you can't equalize home grown cacti with nature one! Wink

Use it as shrine, nice look, etc. And forget eating it.
Only if you buy 3-5 more like this one then you can try to eat and trip on it. Smile

Means two 5 cm hard grown peyotes wouldn`t give ILPT proper trip? He need 5? that`s hundred pounds(140 $)! :shock: for one trip? :shock: Ef Off!:x
If is he right, all peyote on the europe online market(yes bloody cactus-plaza too!)is inactive and not "ready to eat" but need to be grown 4 more summers,even after that the potency would be quartered compare to the "true"

I`ve heard that this lad like to smoke weed and booze himself a bit when posting, so maybe he just taking the micky, little bugger!
On the other hand, this laddo has great respect on that board.He helping people out, has many posts about cactii there and nobody proving him wrong!

What should ILPT do guys? Parrot has been collecting and saving pennies whole winter and he wouldn`t spent it for crap.But don`t advice to get pedro,peruvianus or bridgi, ILPT want only Peyote, peyote, peyote!!!
If one have truly "true" peyote with diameter of Wimblendon`s tennis ball,how old is it ? and how large rootstock it suppose to have ?

 

[Phlux-]

any price is worth it.

rather get some peyote seeds and an army of pereskiopsis - within a year u could have hundreds of golf ball sized peyote's - root them - wait a year or 2 and u can eat as many as u want for free.

 

[dimitrius_rexus]

the info that i have gleaned from the majority of the smarties on this site say that grafting, if it does have an effect on potency is small compared to how bad it is made out to be.

from what i remember reading, hard growing for a year or two should make up for whatever small difference from the expedited growth on the graft. someone of more knowledge should post up.

 

[Attention All Shipping]

Not all European sold large lophos are grafted - though a lot are & you can usually tell - some have been grafted in the past and then degrafted, rooted & hard grown & some have been grown from seed/cuttings.
Dependss where you look.
Personally I'd say if you're planning to keep them for a serious amount of time, 5years+ it doesn't matter if they were grafted at some point in the past, this is more than enough time to grow roots and produce mescaline & other alkaloids.
Obviously no cactus, whether grown from seed or cutting, is going to grow as naturally in a pot as in the Sonoran desert, the root won't develop as well - but they won't need to as you'll be looking after them. Its basically a trade-off - 'home-grown' lophos will grow quicker than than those in the wild, though they'll produce less alkaloids, over time it makes less difference though.

I'd recommend getting some ceastopose (sorry for the spelling) - multi-headed lophos as as they grow you'll be able to take cutting & root them into new lophos - though get some single headed ones too as they flower & seed. In a few years you'll have plenty of seeds & will be able to grow your own from seed.

I've got ~20+ now (not for eating any time soon), though I did lose some to a bad winter, and while I have no way to measure alkaloid content everything I've read inclines me to believe that they're developing normally, with a lower alkaloid content than in the wild but increased growth makes up for it. If you get a few wee ones now, care for them & take cuttings from any grafts/caetapose rooting & growing them then you'll be sorted, you just have to bear in mind this isn't a short-term thing.

Oh and try to get them from different sources - different genetics/sub-species - for the benefits of genetic diversity - don't buy them all from divine cactus as they're all identicle genetics. Though they're cheap & after 5+ years will probably be as good as any others (not too hardy though & a bit prone to disease).

 

[Attention All Shipping]

Means two 5 cm hard grown peyotes wouldn`t give ILPT proper trip?

2 won't give you any visionary peyote experience unless they're seriously old & well developed - 30 uears may do it. You're looking at anything from 6 to 12+ 5 year old heads from what I hear.

 

['Coatl]

That little quote you posted in your first post is full of lots of bullshit.... he is correct about some things tho...

See my cacti threads for more info on this subject.

PM me for Lophophora vendors.