Does my solution have to be yellow?

[brainforest]

Hi guys,

So I'm doing my first extraction, using the classic lazyman tek etc.

I used shredded not powdered bark.

I left the bark in the basified solution for 7 hours.

Then last night I added the naptha and shook/stirred while in a bowl of hot water for half an hour.

I left it over night and have just stirred again for half an hour in a bowl of hot water.

However once I stopped, my solvent almost immediately rose to the surface, and it is still clear, not the yellow colour that I thought it should be.

Does this matter?

Is it indicative of a failed attempt?

Cheers

 

[Earthwalker]

No it doesn't mean you've failed at all , IMO it happens sometimes when I have my base soup at cooler or hotter temps , I think it is just your've pulled less oils ! Is it mimosa or acacia you're using ??

 

[brainforest]

Mimosa, I think I may have added too much water. shall I upload a photo?

 

[brainforest]

Oh well, I've extracted it.

It's in a glass caserole dish in the freezer.

the dish is circular, slightly smaller than a tea plate.

How long would anyone recommend leaving it in there for, is 24hrs essential?

I'm not massively fussed about getting a high yield on this occasion, I just want to successfully make some.


Cheers

 

[Earthwalker]

Oh well, I've extracted it.

It's in a glass caserole dish in the freezer.

the dish is circular, slightly smaller than a tea plate.

How long would anyone recommend leaving it in there for, is 24hrs essential?

I'm not massively fussed about getting a high yield on this occasion, I just want to successfully make some.


Cheers

IMO 12-18+ hrs is ok , how much naphtha did you use per pull , how much bark are you extracting from , and how many times did you mix then seperate , how many pulls did you do , and did you pre evaporate ?

 

[brainforest]

30 g Bark,around 100 ml of Naptha

Seperated x3.

Just one pull and no pre evaporation.

Not very scientific I know, I just thought I'd jump in at the deep end as I'd been reading over and over but there's nothing like learning from your mistakes to teach you.

Also, when in freezer does it have to be totally air tight?

Thanks

 

[brainforest]

It's been in freezer for aprox 3 hrs,

I just had a quick look, the naptha is a bit cloudy, however there seems to be a few tiny crystals forming.

 

[Earthwalker]

30 g Bark,around 100 ml of Naptha

Seperated x3.

Just one pull and no pre evaporation.

Not very scientific I know, I just thought I'd jump in at the deep end as I'd been reading over and over but there's nothing like learning from your mistakes to teach you.

Also, when in freezer does it have to be totally air tight?

Thanks

Yeah the tighter the better less chance of ice getting in also try 50ml pulls and do three or four back to back and place all the pulls in the same dish and let it pre evape a little , but 200ml is a lot for one pull !
Edit : try mixing and seperate 4 x

 

[brainforest]

Cheers.

When you say pulls do you mean I should re mix it and let it settle in between pulls.

Sorry but even after reading everything I could, it's still a bit confusing at this point.

How much naptha would you use for 50g bark,

And how much water and NaOh?

Cheers

 

[Earthwalker]

Cheers.

When you say pulls do you mean I should re mix it and let it settle in between pulls.

Sorry but even after reading everything I could, it's still a bit confusing at this point.

How much naptha would you use for 50g bark,

And how much water and NaOh?

Cheers

Yes mix then seperate the naphtha 4 x

And 50ml naphtha pulls are all that's needed for any amount under 500g

I'm not familiar with the lazy mans TEK so I wouldn't know !

 

[brainforest]

thanks

 

[brainforest]

Sorry to keep banging on, just one final thing.

At what point in the freezing stage can you tell if it's been relatively successfull or a failure?

I can see a few tiny white spots appearing, it's been around four hours.

Is it possible more will arise?

If after around 15 hrs it's obviously failed, should I just put the naptha back in the soup, mix it up and try again?

In what circumstances would more NaOH be necessary?

Cheers, sorry for all the questions.

 

[--Shadow]

I think when you see crystals forming on your dish you could say it's been a relative success.

I always leave in freezer for minimum 24 hours, that's all.

When you pull it out of the freezer, keep the solvent to use for later 'pulling', it may still have some DMT in there that you just grab in the next process.


If after 24hrs, you have no spice, then it's likely a problem with your bark material. Keep the naptha in a jar, and re-use it like you've never used it before!

NaOH is only needed if you used too much acid(or vinegar), and you need to bring it's PH above at least 8, or in the case of doing a mini-AB to clean up a dirty product

A quote from the master himself:

I assume you chose the pH of 8.68 because it's the pKa of the tertiary amine on DMT. That is the pH at which 50% of the DMT exists as a free base, and 50% exists as water-soluble protonated species. you want to exceed the pKa when basifying, so you get a higher %age of freebase, which will migrate to the nonpolar solvent.

a pH of 13 will convert >97% of DMT to free base. no need to dilute, that defeats the purpose.

 

[brainforest]

Thanks for that shadow,

I managed to get lots of clumps of white goo, however they melted as soon as I removed it from freezer and poured the excess solvent back into my jar.

I think the caserole dish I used wasn't airtight so it was also quite icey on the inner walls.

Next I tried again using a plastic tupperware tub.

This time lots of yellow crystals formed, however they were floating around, not stuck to the tub.

Therefore when I removed it I couldn't just tip the excess naptha back into the tub, I had to use a pipette, most of them melted again during this time.

I wonder why they're not sticking, could it be that they don't stick to plastic?

Thanks for all the help guys, I'll get there soon.

 

[--Shadow]

PLEASE, don't use plastic! Plastic = sloppy practice. Go and buy some pyrex dishes from the supermarket before you proceed with any further extractions

 

[brainforest]

"PLEASE, don't use plastic! Plastic = sloppy practice. Go and buy some pyrex dishes from the supermarket before you proceed with any further extractions."

Yeah, I'. trying again using a glass caserole dish.


Cheers

 

[universecannon]

please don't use the DMT you got when using plastic, unless it was HPDE plastic

 

[brainforest]

Luckily it all melted, but no I won't be using plastic again anyway.


Cheers