Dosing my dad: update

[anrchy]

Ok so a little recap for those that haven't read my post which is labeled So I dosed my dad...

My dad has extensive psychadelic experience. Everything. And has taken large doses of the good acid from back in the day hundreds of times, as well as mushrooms. I had told him everything I know about DMT, my experience with it, and what he can expect. I gave him a 15mg dose to warm him up because it has been sometime since he has last used any psychadelics. He had a good light experience.

I saw him today, and he asked me if I have done any more DMT since I last talked to him. He inquired about how big his next dose should be. I told him I like to step people up by 10mg at the most. He said, well what if I wanted to take say 80mg. I laughed and told him I'd suggest against it and that from my experience that size is not needed.

So he then asked me how big a dose I think he should go to. I explained again what a breakthrough is and that people on this forum have had breakthroughs at dose's even as low as 25mg. And that while it's possible to have a breakthrough most likely e will have to work at it. So as we talked he still showed interest in taking a larger step then what I was suggesting. So we both came to the decision to give him close to a 40mg dose.

He wants to experience a strong dose. He seems to be pretty respectful of my outlook on the spiritual side of this experience. He's not religious and not super spiritual but believes in a spiritual nature to our existence. He's a big strong tough guy that is all too aware of the fact that psychadelics can "whoop your ass". He definitely has the outlook of curiosity with a touch of caution when it comes to using DMT. And the cautious part is not of the chemical use side but of respecting what is on the other side of the door and not going into hyperspace thinking he can handle anything. He understands.

So what do you guys think? He's expecting a surprise. He's not being dumb which makes me feel like it would be ok to give him that high of a dose. He knows he could have a bad experience that would teach him something. So what is everyone's opinion?

Also, his car broke down not too long ago. So he decided to buy a truck. So he won't be borrowing mine any longer. Figured some of you would like to know. Lol =)

anrchy

 

[MelCat]

He sounds like a big boy who somewhat knows what he's getting into...

I say 40mg is good to go. A buddy of mine used to blast people off with 100mg (but that was burning the hell out of it so it was probably more like a 50mg dose). If nothing else, give him the 40mg and if he want's to go deeper, give him 50mg on the next rip. You could also introduce harmalas into the mix via some changa and let him work his way up at his own speed... Lots of options... Bottom line.. He sounds like he's ready for whatever the spice has to show 'em. We all get our asses kicked at some point. As long as he's aware of the potential, I say fore warned is fair armed. Let 'em have it.

 

[Korey]

It sounds like he really wants to take the leap into the abyss. I say be there for him if he really wants to and allow him to truly see for the first time.

 

[anrchy]

My main mindset when working with DMT has been to take a nice slow approach when dosing people. There is no need to rush. There is plenty of time to learn from all this, and most importantly you can always take a bigger dose next time. I knew if It came down to my father wanting to try it that I would have no need to take this approach. Although when I gave him his first dose I still stuck to my first dose is a low dose rule.

My device is a very efficient one. You get what you measure out. I've given 9 different people their first, and some of them second thirds and fourths. I definitely have no fear as to giving my dad a large dose, and even if he had a terrifying experience, mentally he would be able to handle it afterwards. He has the bug though, I can tell. You can see it in people's eyes after they have tried it once. They want more. They are curious. I love it.

The two largest doses I have taken were 40 and 45. And boy was it over powering. Not so much in a bad way. But it was really intense, amazing, and I'm still in awe over it. I hope he has an equally positive experience as I did. Either way it will be a good learning experience for him.

 

[sidefx]

Hey ANRCHY buds i was wondering what smoking apparatus do you smoke through.

I and my mates have only ever used a water bong, it always works but i am thinking i might be able to get more out of my DMT, as it sounds like i might be burning a bit of it to waste?

 

[Global]

40mg when vaped properly can be extremely powerful. I don't know if I would load up 40mg for others, much less someone who has only taken DMT once, but your dad does sound like he can handle himself, so I dunno. I'm sure it will be beautiful no matter what. At least with a 40mg dose, one can be reasonably sure that you won't end up stuck with some light geometric clusters or the like. Even if it's not a breakthrough (which I imagine it well could be), the chance for it to be a multidimensional eidetic scene with some real action going on is much higher, and (at least to me) those experiences are some of the most precious and valuable.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

I say just take steps. He took 15? Give him 25mg now. If that doesn't get him to the happy place, then give him more. But I am sure he doesn't need ego death the 2nd time ripping his body apart for what seems like an eturnity! (40mg might give him that)
Just give him what you think is best, you are his shaman (so to speak).
Oh, one thing to ask him. Has he had ego death before with acid or mushrooms? And not just a "bad acid trip"

You using a bong? Gvg? Machine?

 

[anrchy]

Basically the image below resembles what I use. Mine has a cleaner looking design to it, it is clear acrylic rather than green, and has a round bottom chamber instead of just a straight shaft. It also utilizes a thumb carb. With this style of device I have found that the size of dose in one hit depends on your lung capacity, but is achieved much easier than with a pipe. My next design is going to use a pull carb, which I believe will help with clearing the chamber in a smoother and more complete manner. I just have to come up with the design, and its going to require some glass blowing on my part.

My "rule" has been to step people up by 10mg increments for their first two doses. After that it is their choice, but I always play a role in that, wherein I suggest that I am providing an experience, and do not wish to push certain boundaries.

The thing with my dad is, he wants a strong experience. And from what i have learned from dosing people, I do not believe 40mg to be too much for his second time. However, I think what i will do is give him a 30mg dose FIRST. Then after that, he can have a larger dose if he wants. my reason for deciding this is TWO things.

First being that jumping up in dose by such a large amount might effect his ability to integrate what he has seen/felt and remember it. It is kind of a learned ability, and differs from that of acid and shroom experience.

Second, one does not "need" large doses to have great and lasting experience from DMT. So in a way that amount could be seen as a waste almost, as being his second time anyway. Especially if you can't remember a lot of it, or haven't integrated with it properly because it was so hardcore.

 

[Spiral Eye]

I envy you. My dad used to be a hippy in the 60's, but something happened and he got absorbed into corporate america. He's been coming out of it lately, so I am hopeful I could do something like this with him in the near future.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

I envy you.

just be thankful he isn't a dogmatic fundamentalist christian who thinks mind-altering substances are the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and also satan's lies