I have a cathartic need to share another tale, for safety and all the other amazing reasons. Dmt is so peculairly potent, rich and clean, metabolizably perfect to experiment with when we can use MAOIs. But watch out ! Experiences from oral doses of dmt are so different from inhaled trips. MAOIs aside, since they dictate how long dmt can circulate in the blood, dmt 'hits the brain' differently when eaten . We should start a 'Report your oral dose experience' thread, or a 'how is oral dosing comparable to other injestion methods' thead... But for now, I can report here another safe-but-heavy-dose; 80 mg is good !. Just 80 mg in one dose, taken 30 minutes after 3.5 g rue-seed extract all on an empty stomach - set in to 80% of the peak within 40 min. The rue alone caused no nausea, and I felt the rue-and-juice take effect by 15 min. But the 80 mg dmt stirred into 2 oz orange juice created a slight stomach quease at 40 min of eating it. ( I had consumed darkish beer about 2 hours before which is BAD for MAOI use, apparently, and can cause nausea...) It would have been a good idea to do 40 mg in 4 oz juice, wait 10 min and follow with 40 mg more in lots more juice. I rolfed once (just one yak !..) that was minor, but at about 120 minutes I stood up from being in bed, and that motion made the gut go into purge mode... ... It was a short but very satisfying psychedelic purge, lots of emotional 'held-onto' stuff can be drawn out with that reflex !... (pracitce..>!) So I tend to drink water all the time post-dosing ( it helps 'lube' the purge). And this time I forgot to dilute the dmt dose heavily, so it can sneak by the sensitive stomach ! It felt like the water 'sloshing around' as I tried to walk, stimulated my sensitized stomach's puke-reaction - there was nothing to heave up, just a heave of water. But I must say - 80 mg IS enough to make you puke ! I was ready to be incapacitated, and it became close to that - walking was ok, but you'd have appeared very drunk. You certainly can't operate things normally, even a lighter can be a fumble to flick on... One should have everything you'll need prepared 'at-hand', and remember to 'clean' the porcelain-worship-station beforehand too ! ... . I progressed from the bed ( first 90 min) then to the bathroom and into the tub ( next ~3.0 hours were spent soaking in hot water, enjoying CEV OEV with candle light). It was 6 hours in total before I was able to sleep, but still noticing some effects. The trip began quickly, in 10 minutes and by 45 minutes the CEV and OEV were very satisfactory. I wanted to be in the prepared 'nest' of a bed, warmed by two hot water bottles. I kept the light low, expecting no nausea but my belly felt the dmt ... There were distinctly different visuals with eyes open, lying in bed, in a dark loft with slanted ceilings. 'Eyes open visuals' might have needed a little higher dose (say 100mg) to become fuller, but amazing intricacies rolled by me, not on the walls and angled roof, but in 'mid air'. Imagination-soup was there again with closed eyes, and it could become too intense, so my eyes had to open just to stop the absurdity of what could be 'visualized' in CEV.! My own version of Alex Grey Land - all the eyeball themes, snakes, and crazy impossibles of Luke Brown ! ! Open eye visuals were a relief - more geometric and mathematical ! The excessive intesnisty of the imagination-soup CEV added to the background nausea... The body-tremors and 'yawning' feelings that one encounters at the exit of a vapourized dmt dose were present at the onset, and kind of 'announced' the trip was starting, even before the CEV appeared. And again coming down was marked by tremors - the pleasant 'rumbles'. So in summary - with MAOIs fully working, 80 mg dmt is very strong ! You'll begin to trip hard, and depending on the MAOIs enduring, it can last long (6 hours!). When you get that tripped-out (says the newb' !) there is a safety factor that needs to be kept 'high' too.. ! With possible Puke-factors and since I get so sensitized, I would not ever try to 'party' on an oral dose of dmt !
i tried it once, had too much, tripped too hard and had to get the hell out of there, but in small doses i can see how it is a beautiful thing (just gotta stop eating those bimbo biancas with salami (pizza, goooood)) - due to MAOI interactions i found this on bluelight: [quote:e0f39edab6="folias"] 30mg - something is happening 60mg - might get some closed eye visuals 90mg - beginning of open eye visuals 100mg - can be strong for some people. 150mg - can be fully immersively visionary for some people 200mg - a good standard strong dose equivelant to what ayahuascaroes in the Amazon give people. 250mg - a really, really good dose for anyone...the maximum people of sensitivity, low body weight would want to do. 300mg - about as strong as most people would ever want to do... 400mg - some people with a high tolerance to DMT need this (big, stocky bodyweight often) 500mg - no need to take this much...it gets too fast and potentially out of control. [/quote:e0f39edab6] perhaps 50mg with frequent 30mg topups might be a way to go? hmm.. have to start somewhere