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soulfood

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Ok.

This has happened to me on a few occasions now. Once being right now and the final straw on this weirdness that happens to one after smoking DMT after a few drinks.

It's happened when I've smoked DMT when I'm completely fit-shaced and fair enough that the eternal voyage of wonder isn't what it should be when some drunken bastard is just humping the dream. But right now I've just had a couple of pints and barely felt the slightest fraction of intoxication before loading my pipe and attempting to enter hyperspace.

I'm just very curious if anyone's ever smoked DMT after consuming alcohol, only to have their head completely submerged in white noise and a fuzzy vibration. It's the weirdest phenomena I have ever experienced with a substance and appears to be 100% consistant. I inhale, all of reality becomes static fuzz and my heart beat sounds like a distorted bass drum. There is no clarity or even the slightest hint of a CEV/OEV beyond just my usual reality but through a bad TV recepetion.

I have to admit that when I do this when I'm very drunk, the weird chaos actually seems quite enjoyable. However when I've just had a casual drink a couple of hours ago, then attempted to launch only to be met by the three stooges of hallucinations it's the biggest anti climax one could ever experience.

If anyone knows what I'm talking about, I'd be delighted to here about your badly tuned smack the TV experiences of the alcohol/DMT combination.
 
I have smoked both bufotenine and DMT after drinking..both were horrible..DMT while drunk was just pointless sort of mind swirling that left me confused and disphoric and sick. I barely ever drank even back so maybe it effects me more, but I hate alcohol and dont drink it at all anymore.
 
I tried it once with just a few beers to feel relaxed. It was not a good journey, not that bad either but it felt not right for me.

Also in the very beginning I once came home from the pub, completely fit-shaced (nice one. :)) and took off. I just wend off, saw the colors, had a nice journey with loads of smiles and when I returned it surprised me that I was completely sober, no drunkenness at all! Then this slowly faded into becoming drunk again.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
I've noticed that sobering effect also. Sometimes I have smoked a second time and it's been quite "normal" like something in my head has been re-alligned by that first failed launch. It almost seems like the DMT makes you stand an uncomfortable right of passage and rewards you for a brave return.

It's definately a waste though. I used to lock my DMT away if I was going out for a drink, usually with my brother who would buy me loads of whiskey shots. These days I pretty much limit myself to a couple of pints of good ale then head home. I'm trying to get that guy out of drink and into mescaline but he's still in that fear of the unknown area. He's got a pretty intense job too so he needs to learn to cut loose more creatively. Alcohol's got to be the laziest route to a very short-term satisfaction... also it can go sooo wrong.
 
I found that the vasilidation (sp?) caused by alcohol allowed me to rip well and good, and alcohol never ruined my experience but if I was very drunk I would remember even less the next day.

I am a borderline alcoholic so I function pretty well on it. I found without alcohol things could be too chaotic and I couldn't always relax into it and let go. But a few beers rather than a lot was better.

I'm now 7 weeks sober though. Hopefully that will last but at the mo im not in a hurry to get back in the rabbit hole.
 
I know this static cloudyness you're talking about SF... and I had been drinking that night too.

Got myself all comfy in bed ready for a trip, still funk as druck from the night before about 5 or 6am'ish. I dont have issues with taking a good rip of DMT sober or not, but I do tend to have that "fuck it" attitude when it comes to loading my device and put nonesense amounts in.

so the gray sparkle hazes over my eyes and the carrier wave builds to epic proportions and keeps going... I'm clear of thought, but I'm thinking my head cant take much more of this pressure from the wave before something gives.
All of a sudden its like there's no pressure, there never was... I can hear distant bells chiming in the sound of the carrier wave, then I hear voices singing but cant undrestand what they're saying.

not at all visual except from that static fuzzyness, I was intrigued by that one though and got the exact same effect a few moments later.
 
well, well, well, what an interesting synchronistic happenning... this thread is totally relevant to me... I logged on here after not checking in for quite a while to see if I could get some perspective on my last experience and here is this thread... summing up what i had been thinking... I am actually taking an enforced break from DMT after my last massive journey when i was totally pissed and also trippin and spastic on some other shiznizzle... so to make a long story short... there were two small/medium doses of DMT that went down a treat while in this messy state... enlightening bliss etc etc... then I decided on a whim after packing up the pipe to go again... this time much deeper... what a mistake... im not going to go into details ... but I was basically told by the beings not to come back for a while...

So come on, really, lets all face up to it... this shit isnt a toy... loosely quoting my friend here ' using DMT while wasted can be like taking a whipper snipper to your flower garden to remove a couple of weeds' or something like that... I cant remember exactly but it was poignant at the time...

so yeah blahdy blahska ... we all should know it... treat this sacred medicine with respect... diving in while totally wasted is only asking for trouble

I think any form of alchohol should not be consummed before a DMT journey...

soorrry for this post im a little druken now

peace
 
I surely like to drink my wine, but not before a spice journey.
Before spice, I clean my surroundings, prepare, perhaps exercise, meditate a bit, but never drink alchohol or eat much.

Spice is life.
Alcohol is escapism.
The two don't go together at all.
 
FWIW, my experiences with alcohol and the spice do not line up with most of the other reports in this thread. I don't normally journey while intoxicated by alcohol, but the few times I've done so it's been good. Drinking a few beers (1-3) seems to take the pre-launch anxiety away and makes the transition to the other side much smoother for me. Visuals and deepness of the experience are more or less the same as when I'm not drinking, only with less anxiety. Of course, lots of whiskey is not the same as a few beers so YMMV 😉.

I'm not a heavy/frequent drinker, but I do love to sip on a pint or two of well-made craft beer now and then. Combining beer and spice in reasonable quantities seems to enhance the experience for me.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I don't view the combination as 'disrespectful' in any way. I don't buy into the dogma that the spice is some sort of external consciousness, ready to punish me at any moment for not respecting it. The organized religions of the world can have their genuflection and repentance- I choose to believe that I'm in complete control of my trajectory. I mean no disrespect toward those who see things differently...

The chemical deserves respect, of course, but (in my opinion) not because it's an actual entity or conscious force. I view it as one of many keys to a deeper reality, so I don't really consider the possibility that it has the capacity for malice or retribution. As with any psychedelic, if my mind is not in a good place, negative or confusing experiences tend to follow regardless of other factors. Just my two cents.

-JM
 
jmaxton said:
FWIW, my experiences with alcohol and the spice do not line up with most of the other reports in this thread. I don't normally journey while intoxicated by alcohol, but the few times I've done so it's been good. Drinking a few beers (1-3) seems to take the pre-launch anxiety away and makes the transition to the other side much smoother for me. Visuals and deepness of the experience are more or less the same as when I'm not drinking, only with less anxiety. Of course, lots of whiskey is not the same as a few beers so YMMV 😉.
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Agreed. It doesn't affect the trip for me, just makes me less anxious before smoking it. Liquid courage indeed. I don't try to drink and then smoke, but it does make me more willing and less fearful to take the plunge in general.

I've smoked out drunk people (some on the verge of blackout, though I didn't know it at the time) and they went from drunkspace to hyperspace with no problems. They were completely drunk again when they came back down, but during the trip, they felt nothing but the glow of Dimethyltryptamine. :D
 
I've had some pretty enlightening times when I've used DMT orally after a beer or two, so I in no way think of it to be disrespectful. It just seems to me that vaped DMT actually feels like a very different and a much more clumsy substance after alcohol.
 
I've taken dmt while drunk numerous times but never get theft feelings you describe. I find that some alcohol helps with the initial anxiety caused before smoking spice (which goes as soon as I've smoked it).
 
Hehe..drunken fools, fools of drunkeness, fools of love.

SWIM says he sometimes is foolish and smokes changa after drinking a coupple of bears or a coupple of glasses of wine or whatever SWIM's drinks when he feels its time for a nice drink.

He did enjoy it, he told me, smoking after drinking. The only negative effect was that he does not remember much of the experiences in detail, but they were educative he belives and says, in a way or another..educative ;).
Ah, he's not a heavy drinker so he feels a good and calm buzz aftr a glass or two...the other thing he felt, that had a "negative" touch to it, was that he felt and belived that it was kind of disrespecting the strong plant-spirit by not giving in to the journey sober and having clearer mind, spirit and body.

But at the same time, he felt.. when drinking wine, that he did see or understand the connection between the 2 spirits that they both told him a story of...Smoke, representing flight, bless, divine moments, the heavenly clouds in the sky, etc etc...and the wine-representing the blood of the first curandero or blood of the deer, the blood that paint the skies and gives it its story.
Well, on that ocacion he did not have that feeling, that it was a no no to mix them both..?

But..a drink or two takes away a bit of that kind of nervous feeling before lighting the herb-extract mix and inhaling the smoke..for my friend.
 
Soulfood, The effects you describe have happened to me and that is how I learned not to smoke DMT while being plowed like that. Life becomes fuzziness, no visuals, and my mental space becomes negative as if my psyche is attacking for mixing the two. I can handle it after drinking a moderate amount though, you just can not be three sheets to the wind.
 
skullhuman said:
soulfood said:
There is no clarity or even the slightest hint of a CEV/OEV beyond just my usual reality but through a bad TV recepetion.
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I really think this says it. Alcohol muddles the signal that DMT is able to provide.
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Lol, I caught this before posting the exact same thing.
 
My friend only does it after getting an alcohol buzz first. I think it's so he is more relaxed and allows himself to let go easier. I've done it drunk before also, I don't think I had bad experiences, they just seemed harder to remember and I don't think I had any really significant to me trips while drunk.
 
skullhuman said:
I really think this says it. Alcohol muddles the signal that DMT is able to provide.
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Most importantly it muddles the signal seratonin provides, thats why I dont drink any more.

Alcohol muddles any and all neuro transmission. Neurotransmission is pretty important to the very survival of humans. Look how many deaths are directly related to muddled neurotransmission. How many acts of violence are related to muddled neurotransmission.

the DMT signal is sacred IMO, I am sober when I receive it. Always.
 
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