darellmatt
Rising Star
I noticed concerns being raised about purchasing reagents on ebay.
My 2 cents, the discussion may be exaggerating the risk. Here's why:
Ebay does cooperate with law enforcement, but they are not in the business of law enforcement. They are in the business of making money through online sales. Case in point, they were selling booze online without an ID check until there was a 20/20 news item about it a year or so ago.
Second, you can get some idea of the volume of ebay sales on a particular kind of item by how many listings there are. Take a look at listings for acacia confusa root bark, or psychotria viridis leaves, or mimosa hostilis seeds. True, they no longer allow MHRB itself. But from the number of ads there are lots of kitchen chemists out there cooking spice. My personal guess it's in the order of thousands of people, but let's be conservative and say it's just a thousand.
Now, if law enforcement were mining the buying histories on ebay for enforcement, how many arrests nation wide should result over a 2 year period? 10? 50? It wouldn't be too hard to arrest people if all you had to do was execute a search warrant for every person who showed up on a suspicious list from ebay purchases.
But now, do a web search for arrests for DMT over the last 2 years. I did, I think I came up with 5 busts nationwide. Maybe the internet missed a couple, but in the digital age I'm willing to bet that the search caught most of the ones that happened. Read the articles, most of them tell how people were caught. College kids doing naphtha pulls in a dorm room ratted out by someone down the hall. Someone in a apartment complex who left the door ajar on the utility room that had jars of purple liquid and a filter funnel. Or a kid pulled over on a traffic stop with spice in his pocket. Or greedy hustlers trying to crank out hundreds of grams of smokable product for the cash.
POINT: not one single reported arrest nationwide for a private citizen working quietly in a single family dwelling making DMT for personal use, caught because their name popped up on a suspicious ebay buyers list. I'm not saying it can't happen someday, may be it will. But think about this: you really think that law enforcement doesn't already have enought to do trying to track down really dangerous people who rob and steal and rape and kill? The reason the boston cops NEVER bust anyone in copley square for smoking pot is not that they are idealistic or humane. It's because if they bust one they would have to bust everyone, and the whole system would grind to a halt chasing this harmless activity.
So, in a word, as LONG as the online extraction world of acacia and mimosa and phalaris and psychotria and god knows what else, extracted for the most part with chemicals and tools that are way too widely available to be tracked or stopped, as long as that world doesn't generate any bad press with 20 year olds jumping off roof tops due to bad trips or people in ER's having burned their retinas staring at the sun (anyone remember why all psychedelics were made super illegal in the 60's?) then trying to shut down backyard dmt cooks is going to take a back seat to busting meth cooks and pot smugglers, and crack hustlers.
Don't get me wrong, if you are stupid enough you can get caught. But not, in my humble opiniong, by buying fumaric acid and heptane on ebay.
by the way someone mentioned that ebay does law enforcement stings. Yes they do: for their own bottom line. check out:
eBay’s $35 Million Mess | TIME.com
My 2 cents, the discussion may be exaggerating the risk. Here's why:
Ebay does cooperate with law enforcement, but they are not in the business of law enforcement. They are in the business of making money through online sales. Case in point, they were selling booze online without an ID check until there was a 20/20 news item about it a year or so ago.
Second, you can get some idea of the volume of ebay sales on a particular kind of item by how many listings there are. Take a look at listings for acacia confusa root bark, or psychotria viridis leaves, or mimosa hostilis seeds. True, they no longer allow MHRB itself. But from the number of ads there are lots of kitchen chemists out there cooking spice. My personal guess it's in the order of thousands of people, but let's be conservative and say it's just a thousand.
Now, if law enforcement were mining the buying histories on ebay for enforcement, how many arrests nation wide should result over a 2 year period? 10? 50? It wouldn't be too hard to arrest people if all you had to do was execute a search warrant for every person who showed up on a suspicious list from ebay purchases.
But now, do a web search for arrests for DMT over the last 2 years. I did, I think I came up with 5 busts nationwide. Maybe the internet missed a couple, but in the digital age I'm willing to bet that the search caught most of the ones that happened. Read the articles, most of them tell how people were caught. College kids doing naphtha pulls in a dorm room ratted out by someone down the hall. Someone in a apartment complex who left the door ajar on the utility room that had jars of purple liquid and a filter funnel. Or a kid pulled over on a traffic stop with spice in his pocket. Or greedy hustlers trying to crank out hundreds of grams of smokable product for the cash.
POINT: not one single reported arrest nationwide for a private citizen working quietly in a single family dwelling making DMT for personal use, caught because their name popped up on a suspicious ebay buyers list. I'm not saying it can't happen someday, may be it will. But think about this: you really think that law enforcement doesn't already have enought to do trying to track down really dangerous people who rob and steal and rape and kill? The reason the boston cops NEVER bust anyone in copley square for smoking pot is not that they are idealistic or humane. It's because if they bust one they would have to bust everyone, and the whole system would grind to a halt chasing this harmless activity.
So, in a word, as LONG as the online extraction world of acacia and mimosa and phalaris and psychotria and god knows what else, extracted for the most part with chemicals and tools that are way too widely available to be tracked or stopped, as long as that world doesn't generate any bad press with 20 year olds jumping off roof tops due to bad trips or people in ER's having burned their retinas staring at the sun (anyone remember why all psychedelics were made super illegal in the 60's?) then trying to shut down backyard dmt cooks is going to take a back seat to busting meth cooks and pot smugglers, and crack hustlers.
Don't get me wrong, if you are stupid enough you can get caught. But not, in my humble opiniong, by buying fumaric acid and heptane on ebay.
by the way someone mentioned that ebay does law enforcement stings. Yes they do: for their own bottom line. check out:
eBay’s $35 Million Mess | TIME.com
