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Energetic consequences of the intention of extraction.

EmeraldAtomiser

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Just listened to the latest Hamilton Morris podcast. Man, do I love that man.
He's talking to an ex MDA cook, but towards the end they briefly touch on DMT extraction, as this guy had done some for his own personal use.
He talks about how he feels that extracting spice (or 'drugs' in general) for money would change the energy surrounding the product. Really resonated with me.
Met a friend of a friend in a bar last night, and we got chatting about altering consciousness, and I told him about my spice hobby. He was very interested, and asked if I would sell any?
Told him that wasn't really how I rolled, but would be more than happy to gift him some. As payment, I'd accept him telling me all about how the journey goes.
Feels good to introduce people to this wonderful molecule.
 
The karma, gestalt, energetic consequence of extraction is likely real. The karma, gestalt, energetic consequence of gifting the DMT is almost certainly real.
 
Ow I didn’t take that away from the interview, they talk about how selling drugs is sadly and inevitably is going to have an negative impact on your life, in other words don’t become an drug dealer, I have to agree that this is great advice.

My personal view is that I don’t think the drugs itself are changed by the act of selling, but do like the the ritual of brewing Aya and think that it’s a great preparation to the experience itself.
 
Ow I didn’t take that away from the interview, they talk about how selling drugs is sadly and inevitably is going to have an negative impact on your life, in other words don’t become an drug dealer, I have to agree that this is great advice.

My personal view is that I don’t think the drugs itself are changed by the act of selling, but do like the the ritual of brewing Aya and think that it’s a great preparation to the experience itself.
Prohibition is the greater evil.
 
On reflection, I feel I should rephrase that. I don't believe in good and evil, only intention.
Prohibition, and the puritanical mindset that spawned it, has caused virtually all of the problems we attribute to drugs and the drug trade.
Look at Portugal, who decriminalised all drugs well over a decade ago, and treated the matter as a public health issue, as opposed to a criminal matter. By every measurable metric, things have improved. Sure, there are still issues, but where humans are involved, this is a given.
Is making and selling ecstasy bad? Sounds like that guy was mixed up with some very unsavory characters, but that is a direct result of the illegality of the operation, and the mindset it engenders. I would like to shake every person by the hand who has spent the time manufacturing drugs that have given me, and countless millions, so much pleasure.
Should people really only be able to experience things like this, or DMT, or whatever, only if they are capable of making or extracting them personally? That's just nonsense in my mind.
I wouldn't agree that selling drugs is inevitably going to have a negative impact on your life. Like anything else, intention and how you go about your business is key. Drugs are simply molecules that alter our nervous system in varying ways, they are not good or bad, whether some people struggle with those effects. My consciousness is exactly that, mine, and nobody has the right to restrict or limit what I do with it. Treating us like children who need to be 'protected', whilst putting these substances into the control of those who have no compassion for the user, only a desire for money (and maybe power), leads us to the world we see around us.
 
wouldn't agree that selling drugs is inevitably going to have a negative impact on your life. Like anything else, intention and how you go about your business is key. Drugs are simply molecules that alter our nervous system in varying ways, they are not good or bad, whether some people struggle with those effects. My consciousness is exactly that, mine, and nobody has the right to restrict or limit what I do with it. Treating us like children who need to be 'protected', whilst putting these substances into the control of those who have no compassion for the user, only a desire for money (and maybe power), leads us to the world we see around us.
We agree in large parts, but in my opinion many people need a little bit of protection, you personally might be able to find an healthy balance, but as seen with tobacco and alcohol this is not something that is going to work out for many other people. Should it be legal to consume, yes, should it become something that is produced in an clean and controlled setting, sure. But opening up the marketplace for vendors and hope the best is not going to work out for many people and will put an huge strain on public healthcare and society. So I think it’s best for an more educated system where users are protected, the drugs are clean and there’s some systems in place to help people who are at risk too find their way to an health care professional.
 
We agree in large parts, but in my opinion many people need a little bit of protection, you personally might be able to find an healthy balance, but as seen with tobacco and alcohol this is not something that is going to work out for many other people. Should it be legal to consume, yes, should it become something that is produced in an clean and controlled setting, sure. But opening up the marketplace for vendors and hope the best is not going to work out for many people and will put an huge strain on public healthcare and society. So I think it’s best for an more educated system where users are protected, the drugs are clean and there’s some systems in place to help people who are at risk too find their way to an health care professional.

That is pretty much exactly what Portugal has done. They have not just 'hoped for the best', they have looked at the undeniable fact that prohibition is the root of the pain and suffering, brought compassion and assistance for those who get into trouble, but treat adults as adults, and allow them to make their own decisions, and, equally as importantly, their own mistakes. This modern obsession with trying to prevent any and all negative outcomes is as ridiculous as it is patronising, simply dumbing everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Some people are always going to struggle with certain substances, but trying to 'protect' them always leads to infringement of rights, and is the thin end of the wedge. As I said previously, Portugal has shown that all measurable metrics have improved by rejecting prohibition and punishment, and this includes public health. The strain on healthcare and 'society' has been reduced, not exacerbated.
The USA, in parts, had effectively decriminalised drugs (Oregon for example), but there was zero empathy or help for those addicted and using, many of whom were homeless with serious mental health issues, simply allowing them access to whatever they wanted, then acting shocked when things descend into carnage, dispair and depravity. Empathy is clearly going to be cornerstone of any effective drug policy and treatment, but the USA (and many other parts of the world) is sorely lacking in this department.
I was wrong to say it Portugal implemented this a decade ago, it was closer to quarter of a century, but their success is steadfastly ignored by the rest of the world, who, instead, choose to double down on the crime and punishment bollocks. The full report on their success can be found here:
Decriminalisation is something of a cop out too, in terms of ensuring that the drugs are available are high quality without dangerous impurities, but it is infinitely better than prohibition and criminalisation.

Let us not forget that the roots of prohibition lie in the USA, with Harry J Anslinger criminalising Marijuana after the failure and cessation of alcohol prohibition. The racist overtones also there, as it was the drug of choice of 'blacks', in much the same way as the Brits did with opium and the Chinese.
The USA ensured psychedelics were made globally illegal in the 60s, denying what even the medical profession now accept are powerful tools for healing. The negative effects of this policy alone are staggering, never mind how all of our psyches have been negatively impacted by the supposed 'fact' that drugs are bad, and how that affects our personal journeys. Yet more bullshit programming to be overcome.

It is not a coincidence that the USA benefits economically by pressuring the world to keep everything illegal. The South American continent has been turned into a war-zone, and the cartels literally created by these policies, and the US can then provide 'aid' to these countries, usually in the form of paramilitary assistance, which is another way of saying they are selling more weapons and hardware, putting yet more cash into their military industrial complex. There seems to be no problem that the USA believes cannot be solved with a gun.
How many people have been incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses, who are then forced to work while incarcerated, making products for American companies, for literal slave wages?
The 13th amendment to the constitution outlaws slavery and involuntary servitude except as punishment for a crime. What an exceptionally handy loophole, that corporations have exploited to the fullest. Odd that President Obama, himself a constitutional scholar, never one mentioned this amendment, and how it was being used to, effectively, make slaves of his black brothers and sisters who are massively disproportionately incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses. It's almost like prohibition is being used to ensure a steady stream of slave labour for the prison system, to bolster corporate profits, but this must just be a coincidence, right?
 
You could say that the success of decriminalizing drugs is coupled with the quality and reliability of the healthcare system, and with that, I agree. Beyond that I can’t really say much more without making this an somewhat political discussion, so I will refrain from that. That said, reading your post my advice would be to approach the world as a complex system, where outcomes often emerge from a mix of factors, some intentional, many unintentional, rather than a single, overarching plan to manipulate humanity.
 
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Before I edited my post that word was in there, since I thought it was too harsh I removed that part, I’m sorry if that offended you, it was not my intention to do so, it is however the reason why I’m not responding to much of the post since we have an no politics rule here.

It’s your last paragraph why I got the conspiracy feeling.

Other than that I believe that we mostly agree, especially on the meta level, in the approach and details that’s where we might have different ideas, what I’m trying to say is that our values might not be as different and I understand your perspective.
 
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I would argue that everything is already freely available and easily accessible with the advent of the darknet. Kids can simply order from the privacy of their homes and have it delivered right to their doorstep. Governments can only strategize in a reactionary way by ddos attacks on popular markets and amateur vendors compromising their opensec. Interesting times we live in.
 
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