Establishing contact

[Flying Dutchman]

Hey, I have had maybe 8 attempts by now, but I haven't broken through yet. However today I had two more tries and the first was probably the most intense/visual I've had, whereas the second was a trip with extremely intense entity contact where I felt I was exactly at break through tipping point, but I was pulled back. These two have left me with some questions.

During the second trip I felt again, as I have felt in every single one, that I was having a debate with myself over whether I could believe that what was happening was real, just this time I got further than ever to solving it. And every time it is an excruciatingly difficult problem where I have to make a massive mental effort to image all the factors in the equation (I can't remember all the exact themes afterwards, only a short period, it definitely involves breath, dying, DMT, and being god). At this point I am already convinced of the truth of what I am experiencing, but I have not been able to piece together the puzzle pieces and therefore doubtful skepticism holds me back. I notice entities who are observing me, who are very interested in what I am doing. I try but can not see them directly: they try very hard to evade my "inner gaze", and seem to be following a policy of strict non-interference with me and what I'm doing, to not help me in figuring it out, as they are themselves one of the puzzle pieces. I focus on seeing them and can distinguish that they are aliens living in hyperspace, I know it somehow. I ask them repeatedly, "what is your role in this?!" since I know that if I can see them directly I will understand. Yet they manage to evade my thoughts/gaze and sort of tell me to solve the problem on my own, asking me, "who are you?". This last trip, I was literally on the verge of finding the solution, the certainty that I/we am/are god, and I think I started seeing the chrysanthemum. Then I was aware that I had lost awareness of my body and with it also all of my identity. And interestingly enough, I then became aware that I was being watched by more aliens than ever. It felt like I was surrounded by the galaxy's most advanced and alien measuring technology scrutinizing every possible aspect of my reaction to this situation, my reaction was of utmost importance to them somehow. It made me feel like some kind of experiment, but I knew it was right at the same time, and I was only somewhat annoyed at this. I said the word "hallo?" (hint: it means "hello?") without knowing what it meant, sort of instinctively, and it was duly noted. I stayed still trying to figure out a way to find out what they all wanted me to do, and what hallo meant, but then they faded away already.

I think I probably just need to get more DMT into my system to break through properly, yet it intrigues me that the entities are following such a non-interference policy. Has anyone ever experienced this kind of feeling that there was something that you had to figure out in order to break through? What has been your attitude in this situation?

Also, I am using freebase in a glass meth pipe and was wondering whether it's ok for their to always remain brown liquid in the bulb no matter how long you heat (it doesn't fully vaporize)? It later deposits as crystals. I vaporize quite cautiously. This is also annoying since I can't get it cleaned out with just hot water and cleaning liquid. It's kind of difficult to access as well with just the one tiny top hole. How do you clean this kind of pipe?

Thanks to all of you for this website, it's helping me greatly in making sense of all this.

 

[Purges]

Welcome!

With regards to breaking through, I would just suggest slightly upping your dose each time until you hit your sweet spot. Just loading a big bowl and hoping for the best can lead to some pretty uncomfortable experiences. Also, (I find myself saying this all the time atm :lol: ) try pre dosing with some harmalas! They make the world of difference for me. There is tons of info on here and on the web about them.

To clean your pipe, just use a small amount of acetone or IPA, it should come off easily enough, then you can evaporate it onto some herb of your choice for use in a bong / pipe. Just weigh the herb before and after and you will know how much 'caramelised' DMT is on it 8)

 

[Global]

You can clean your pipe by running isopropyl alcohol through it. Even the alcohol will have a bit of a hard time dissolving that brown gunk, but shake it up good and rinse with hot water. Repeat as many times as you have to in order to clean. What I would do if I were you would be to collect all the alcohol you used when you're done and set it in a tray/dish/bowl/whatever to evaporate over a couple days. When all is said and done, you should have some dark crystals to scrape up after the evap. I used to call this my black tar DMT because I would need significantly less of it to get significantly further than ever. The stuff was always super potent for me.

 

[DogMaTea]

...every time it is an excruciatingly difficult problem where I have to make a massive mental effort to image all the factors in the equation...

This is an interesting statement. A female friend recently made the comment that the reason she experienced total fun and laughter on DMT (with light being elves jumping in and out of her body - she had no prior experiences listening to Terrence MkKenna or anyone else's decriptions of these beings) and why myself and another male friend had terrifying experiences has to do with men's inclinations to logically solve problems and analyze what was going on, while females tended to be immersed emotionally and embrace experiences without analysis. Men tend to resist "letting go" and try to immediately rationalize and analyze what we're experiencing. That struck a chord with me and I think it's fairly accurate. For me it definitely helps to remind myself to let go.

 

[Global]

This is an interesting statement. A female friend recently made the comment that the reason she experienced total fun and laughter on DMT (with light being elves jumping in and out of her body - she had no prior experiences listening to Terrence MkKenna or anyone else's decriptions of these beings) and why myself and another male friend had terrifying experiences has to do with men's inclinations to logically solve problems and analyze what was going on, while females tended to be immersed emotionally and embrace experiences without analysis. That struck a chord with me and I think it's fairly accurate...

But Terence McKenna wasn't a female...In any manner, from my own personal experience, I find this to be a false dichotomy. Perhaps 90% of my experiences are positive, emotional and embracingly immersive. Generalizing with DMT is risky business, as I'd venture that many other males here would disagree as well.

 

[DogMaTea]

But Terence McKenna wasn't a female...In any manner, from my own personal experience, I find this to be a false dichotomy. Perhaps 90% of my experiences are positive, emotional and embracingly immersive. Generalizing with DMT is risky business, as I'd venture that many other males here would disagree as well.

Good points. yeah, these are definitely generalizations of our own limited experiences. It's too bad the types of studies that Strassman conducted are so difficult to get approved. It would be great to see if there are commonalities that could be discerned between people having similar types of experiences. I know there's a huge unpredictability factor, but there must be SOME things that determine why some people experience very similar entities, some don't experience any, "positive" experiences, "negative" experiences, etc...

 

[Tek]

...every time it is an excruciatingly difficult problem where I have to make a massive mental effort to image all the factors in the equation...

This is an interesting statement. A female friend recently made the comment that the reason she experienced total fun and laughter on DMT (with light being elves jumping in and out of her body - she had no prior experiences listening to Terrence MkKenna or anyone else's decriptions of these beings) and why myself and another male friend had terrifying experiences has to do with men's inclinations to logically solve problems and analyze what was going on, while females tended to be immersed emotionally and embrace experiences without analysis. Men tend to resist "letting go" and try to immediately rationalize and analyze what we're experiencing. That struck a chord with me and I think it's fairly accurate. For me it definitely helps to remind myself to let go.

I resonate highly with this statement, and I've never given it much thought until you spelled it out so nicely DogMaTea.

One time after a breakthrough, I kept urging myself mentally 'ok, ok you're here! now pay attention, figure out what's going on and REMEMBER this later!!!'

No sooner did I do that then an entity showed up and berated me, saying 'This is always your problem. When you come here you're so busy trying to figure everything out we can never do anything fun!'

And fun seems to be the name of the game in hyperspace. If you don't know how to let go and have fun like a looney tunes character would, you might not be as welcome in 'their' play place as you might be if you just let it all go

 

[red_lego_spaceman]

I'm actually amazed you guys can analyze anything in hyperspace. It's hard for me to hold onto concepts of any kind. Whatever intention I have becomes sort of nonsensical. My last trip, I remember thinking "what was that one? The thing I wanted to contact? Oh yeah.. God"

I've only broken through once, while my girlfriend breaks through quite easily. I think it's due to her having a quieter mind and more open heart.

 

[DogMaTea]

I'm actually amazed you guys can analyze anything in hyperspace. It's hard for me to hold onto concepts of any kind. Whatever intention I have becomes sort of nonsensical. My last trip, I remember thinking "what was that one? The thing I wanted to contact? Oh yeah.. God"

I've only broken through once, while my girlfriend breaks through quite easily. I think it's due to her having a quieter mind and more open heart.

I was absolutely amazed that my female friend was able to take three huge hits, hold them in, go visit the elves and angels, and actually NARRATE what she was experiencing. She set her intent going in to do that. She said she felt like her spirit was in hyperspace controlling her body and voice like a puppet from the other side. There's no way I could do that, I feel like I'm gripping the sides of the space time continuum just hoping I don't rip apart. I try to let go, and when I do I get calm, but narrate what's happening? No. I was stunned to hear her narrating everything she was experiencing, like a reality tv travel show, lol. I'm lucky to be able to utter "Wow" in the first 2 seconds.

 

[outtaseitz]

You can clean your pipe by running isopropyl alcohol through it. Even the alcohol will have a bit of a hard time dissolving that brown gunk, but shake it up good and rinse with hot water. Repeat as many times as you have to in order to clean. What I would do if I were you would be to collect all the alcohol you used when you're done and set it in a tray/dish/bowl/whatever to evaporate over a couple days. When all is said and done, you should have some dark crystals to scrape up after the evap. I used to call this my black tar DMT because I would need significantly less of it to get significantly further than ever. The stuff was always super potent for me.

when i clean my pipe i do the same thing, but i put some iodized salt in there with the isopropyl alcohol because the salt acts as an abrasive

 

[DoctorMantus]

...every time it is an excruciatingly difficult problem where I have to make a massive mental effort to image all the factors in the equation...

Sometime the answer to the equation is no answer at all.
Great report by the way, very enjoyable read.

Good Luck Travel Safe.

 

[3toedsloth]

A female friend recently made the comment that the reason she experienced total fun and laughter on DMT (with light being elves jumping in and out of her body - she had no prior experiences listening to Terrence MkKenna or anyone else's decriptions of these beings) and why myself and another male friend had terrifying experiences has to do with men's inclinations to logically solve problems and analyze what was going on, while females tended to be immersed emotionally and embrace experiences without analysis. Men tend to resist "letting go" and try to immediately rationalize and analyze what we're experiencing. That struck a chord with me and I think it's fairly accurate. For me it definitely helps to remind myself to let go.

I often think this is a problem I have when trying to project. In deep meditation I generally forget that I'm meditating. And as soon as something really interesting happens I think "this is cool, remember this" or "what does this mean" and my mind instantly goes off on a billion tangents and i lose my deep state.

This whole thread is wonderfully written and I appreciate all of you who added to it. There's perhaps a lot to be learned from the statements each of you has made. Thank you.

 

[red_lego_spaceman]

In trying to figure out why my girlfriend seems to break through easily and have these angelic experiences, while I get tangled up in the chaotic sub-breakthrough space, I asked her a lot of questions about her mental focus right after smoking, before everything kicks in.

One major difference, I think, is that right after I smoke, I lie down and close my eyes kind of the way you do before sleep, where you tune out the outside world and kind of go into your head. She does very much the opposite. She lies there being mentally present and just lets everything shift and change and take her away.

This is what makes me think there's a big mental component to breaking through. I think that the shift between sub-breakthrough and full-on breakthrough space might be exactly the same and identical to the shift between being in your head in a daydream vs being awake, alert, mentally present with your experience in the here now. I think the chaos of dmt visuals blurs and hides this from us, but I'm coming to suspect that it's that simple.

I got this idea after my last smoke. Gotta try again and report back..

 

[3toedsloth]

I think that the shift between sub-breakthrough and full-on breakthrough space might be exactly the same and identical to the shift between being in your head in a daydream vs being awake, alert, mentally present with your experience in the here now.

I still feel like you have the two reversed. In order for me to astral project I first have to go into a deep meditative state. From there, i need to bring about the 'vibration stage'. Once there, the hardest part of all is willing myself to leave my body, but without thinking about leaving. It's kind of like, as soon as i acknowledge what is happening, i ruin it. The thing you need to do to 'break through' in this sense is to allow yourself to completely relax and let it happen. When you try to be cognizant of it happening, you actually prevent yourself from 'letting go'.

Do share your future experiences though. I'm sure the higher the dose, the less it becomes 'optional' for you to break through, but at the same time, i think it's important we learn how to do this. In my case specifically, I hope to one day be able to do it at will, without any aiding factors.

 

[anrchy]

Ya I have to agree with sloth. In my last session instead of thinking about how to let go then mentally going through with it I just 'let go'. I would say that letting go is just that. Letting go of thought feeling and any ideas. It's not an action. It's the opposite, it's without action. When you stop thinking about anything you stop using your physical brain. That's the part I was having trouble with is I kept thinking about breathing and other people in the room with me. I guess you could say what you have to do is out yourself into a meditative state when you reach the door. Once you silence all of your thoughts and actions, then the door should open for you.

More like watching a movie vs being awake. When you daydream you have a slight control over what is happening. If you apply that to hyperspace you will definitely have a hard time breaking through. You cannot impose any of your own ideals when using dmt. When you watch a movie, when you are truly into it, you are simply observing what is going on in real time. You can't change a movie as its playing. And basically that's what you are suppose to do anyways. Observe what you see in hyperspace and don't try to change/control anything even yourself. Because there is no self.

 

[outtaseitz]

More like watching a movie vs being awake. When you daydream you have a slight control over what is happening. If you apply that to hyperspace you will definitely have a hard time breaking through. You cannot impose any of your own ideals when using dmt. When you watch a movie, when you are truly into it, you are simply observing what is going on in real time. You can't change a movie as its playing. And basically that's what you are suppose to do anyways. Observe what you see in hyperspace and don't try to change/control anything even yourself. Because there is no self.

thank you so much!! this is the best way to describe how to let go IMO ive been looking for a way to put it into words. once again thank you!

 

[3toedsloth]

I guess you could say what you have to do is out yourself into a meditative state when you reach the door. Once you silence all of your thoughts and actions, then the door should open for you.

^^^Best advice i've read on this forum^^^

I had the most intense and powerful astral projection of my life yesterday after more than a month without. When I reached the vibration stage, I was calm and relaxed (as I'd been practicing for months) and I was swept away completely effortlessly.

As for it being like a movie- here's where it may differ from Astral Projection. In AP you create the experience lucidly. You are consciousness absent a physical body. As such, anything you 'experience' is a creation of consciousness (though not always just YOURS). There's much more to it than all this of course, and if anyone's interested I'd love to share more, but that's not was this thread was about, so I'll leave it at that.

I guess I'll find out just how the two compare when I try aya for the first time in a couple of weeks

There was also a fantastic quote I read a while back. I don't know it exactly, nor who wrote it, but it went something like "Still the body and quiet the mind, only then can you achieve (enlightenment?)". Anyway, a quiet mind and still body is 100% necessary for meditation that involves 'breaking through', so I imagine it would be the same with dmt.

 

[steve355]

Great thread!