Extending shelf life of freebase psilocin/psylocybin?

[Droopy]

Have any of you good people found a way to do this? My friend has about a half lb of powder that he was going to make into chocolates, but read about freebase psilocin/psylocybin and wanted to try it out for himself. He doesn't feel he'll have any problems getting the freebase form, but has found lot's of information about it being unstable and degrading rapidly as a FB and he can't find any information about how to preserve it. The only thing he can think of is the freezer, but he questions how long that would even last.

I read through all the threads I found on it here and came up empty handed on potency degradation and preservation.


On another note cooking up chocolates. Has anyone ever added St johns wort or passion flower to there chocolates to increase potency? These are suppose to be very forgiving mild MAOI's and I have heard that MAOI's can potentiate the mushrooms. But I wouldn't want to mix too much with a single dose. How much per chocolate would be a safe dosage. I've heard mention of half gram to a gram, but nothing definite. Or would both of these be two weak and I would possibly need an extract?

Thanks for any input.

 

[awooga]

I'd like to know too. Never tried to extract crystals from mushrooms but have heard it is possible. As for a combo to the mushroom powder I think passiflora with blue lotus would be an excellent experiment and one that would be safe for everyone ... as I understand it the potentiating effect of passion flower is nowhere near the sort of oomph that harmine and harmaline from Rue or Caapi could do.

Very interesting idea ... I've had some great success with changa mixes over the years. Chaliponga leaves, lotus petals and California poppy flowers all have marked differences.

Would be very interested to know if people have similar allies with mushrooms.

 

[benzyme]

technically, there's no such thing as a free base of psilocin or psilocybin, because there is at least one
charged moiety (functional group), whether it be the hydroxy/phosphoryloxy or amine, across the pH range.

free base alkaloids are uncharged.

 

[endlessness]

Just keep the powder in the freezer.

I have some cracker dry shrooms in a tupperwear that has some calcium chloride on the bottom for dissecation, then few layers of paper towel and the shrooms on top. No degradation at all after 4 years

I´d avoid applying heat to it before storage, and I guess it will take at least some to melt the chocolate.

 

[Droopy]

As for a combo to the mushroom powder I think passiflora with blue lotus would be an excellent experiment and one that would be safe for everyone ... as I understand it the potentiating effect of passion flower is nowhere near the sort of oomph that harmine and harmaline from Rue or Caapi could do.

I would not want to use such a strong Maoi as rue or caapi as safety comes into play. I have a friend whos actually put St johns wort in her chocalates and raves about it but I do not have contact with her right now to ask how much per chocolate would be safe.

technically, there's no such thing as a free base of psilocin or psilocybin, because there is at least one
charged moiety (functional group), whether it be the hydroxy/phosphoryloxy or amine, across the pH range.

free base alkaloids are uncharged.

I do know there is no such thing as freebase. What I really meant is the smokable pure psilocybin and psilocin crystals I have read about. It's just Hcl form I believe. Correct?
But it's vapable at a certain temperature. I think I read somewhere between 188-222f, not entirely sure.

Just keep the powder in the freezer.

I have some cracker dry shrooms in a tupperwear that has some calcium chloride on the bottom for dissecation, then few layers of paper towel and the shrooms on top. No degradation at all after 4 years Very happy

The chocolates or the pure psilocybin crystals by themselves? My friend would like to save some of the smokeable crystals for later use and has read they oxidize to fast. I know they would be perfectly safe inside the chocolate and in the freezer.

 

[benzyme]

what do you mean by pure psilocybin crystals?
you can't obtain those by typically employed methods. psilocybin and psilocin remain bound to ribosomal and structural proteins, due to the aforementioned charged moieties. they can be separated by a charge-based separation.. size-exclusion chromatography, then ion-exchange chromatography, by varying the pH of the mobile-phase.

I've seen the PF crystals of the gods tek, and that is wishful thinking.
HCl salts are a whole other hygroscopic story; and ionic salts never vape at the temps you listed. traditionally, chemists used maleic acid to derive maleate salts of psilocin

 

[Droopy]

what do you mean by pure psilocybin crystals?
you can't obtain those by typically employed methods. psilocybin and psilocin remain bound to ribosomal and structural proteins, due to the aforementioned charged moieties. they can be separated by a charge-based separation.. size-exclusion chromatography, then ion-exchange chromatography, by varying the pH of the mobile-phase.

I've seen the PF crystals of the gods tek, and that is wishful thinking.
HCl salts are a whole other hygroscopic story; and ionic salts never vape at the temps you listed. traditionally, chemists used maleic acid to derive maleate salts of psilocin

Essentially I'm talking about this top tek, but I have read many other threads discussing it and the vaping temp, which is where I found those temps(not on this tek) but this is the tek that talks about smokeable crystals.

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[benzyme]

yea, i've seen that tek, tried it using methanol and some decent equipment, and ended up with what others have reported...off-white waxy residue, a mix of proteins and alkaloids. not crystals by any stretch.
freeze precipitation does not yield pure psilocybin, neither does a soxhlet reflux.

the various charge states of psilocin and psilocybin make them tricky to work with, because they can remain bound to other fungal biomolecules through electrostatic interactions. using uncharged solvents such as ethanol and methanol does nothing to separate them.

 

[awooga]

Dammit that all sounds way out of my chemistry skills. Such a shame as my inner Smurf would have loved some nice blue crystals

 

[awooga]

Not thread jacking but the OP asked about other herbs etc that might go well with mushrooms - perhaps in 000 capsules of dried shrooms.

Anyone have a noticeable bump in potency with any herbs etc that work as a potentiator?

Harmine and Harmaline are off the table since I occasionally share my bounty with wife and friends.

 

[benzyme]

although not exactly an herb, i've found that aniracetam potentiates a mushroom experience considerably. i'd give passiflora extract a try as well, it would be more gentle than harmalas

 

[kerelsk]

Not exactly a potentiator, but I've found Rhodiola rosea to help with side effects and exhaustion.
Cinnamon could be a good admixture too, to dilate the blood vessels a little.

I've heard rhodiola makes ayahuasca visions stronger, but that could just be a rumor.

 

[Droopy]

Not thread jacking but the OP asked about other herbs etc that might go well with mushrooms - perhaps in 000 capsules of dried shrooms.

Anyone have a noticeable bump in potency with any herbs etc that work as a potentiator?

Harmine and Harmaline are off the table since I occasionally share my bounty with wife and friends.

MAOI's are suppose to potentiate whether they are mild like st johns wort or passionflower, just need to find the correct dosage.

although not exactly an herb, i've found that aniracetam potentiates a mushroom experience considerably. i'd give passiflora extract a try as well, it would be more gentle than harmalas

What do you think about a mixture between aniracetam and a mild maoi extract?

 

[benzyme]

could be interesting.
personally, i'd do one or the other, and I prefer aniracetam.