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Extracting DMT with cactus alkaloid laden Xylene

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I've recently come into some pre-used Xylene which has been used to pull out Mescaline from some cacti, Mescaline is long since gone but the Xylene is still very yellow with other cactus alkaloids and oils that hadn't been pulled out with the M. I'm considering using this with a small quantity of MHRB to pull out some DMT, well it'd be a wider pull than DMT as red/orange oils/tannins/alkaloids, etc would be pulled out by the Xylene too, sort of like a Mimosa Hostilis Trichocereus alkaloid combo.
Before starting I wanted to see if anyone's got any experience of this or if anyone has an idea of the amount of alkaloids, etc which can be pulled out by Xylene as I've considered the possibility that the Xylene is still so full of cactus alkaloids that it wouldn't pull out much from the MHRB. Not sure what fractions would be pulled out if this is the case but perhaps someone with a bit of science knowledge does?

Thanks, I'll keep you posted either way.
 
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I imagine that it would pull fine but separating your alks from the cactus sludge would be the problem since you can't freeze precip xylene.
One would have to salt them out and do another A/B - ala' Coschi - an unknown as far as the red spice goes.
Shit, try it and let us know what happens.
 
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I was just intending to evap the Xylene & get a mixture of the cactus & mimosa alaloids rather than trying to separate them out, I'm not using any cactus sludge here eiher. It'll just be Xylene thet'd previously pulled alkaloids from cactus sludge.

I'm not even going to risk distilling Xylene, too much of a potential for fire. I realise it won't pull as much as clean, new Xylene, but I think it'll be interesting to see what is pulled out & how the cactus alkaloids affect what is pulled from the mimosa.
 
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I'm not even going to risk distilling Xylene, too much of a potential for fire.
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not if you use a mantle. it doesn't use open flame nor does it emit sparks.
swim's done this before, because swim worked on panachoi powder. xylene is cheap, but swim believes in recycling solvents by redistilling. the only one he wouldn't bother redistilling is diethyl ether.


but by all means, experiment. let us know how it went. :)
 
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Right, I've started an extraction (Noman tek) using the Cactusy Xylene & have come across a few peculiarities in the process. The extraction went ok and I've done 2 pulls with the Xylene and combined them to do a sodium carbonate wash. In the Xylene to be washed there was a small amount of MHRB that got through, not much a few ml out of 120ml of Xyleme and I thought it'd be ok as there'd been no problem with the same situation in previous Heptane extractions. So in the wash a lot of emulsion formed, that is about 95% of the non-Xylene layer that resulted was in emulsion with a tiny bit of water at the bottom. I'm heating this emulsion right now to try to get it to separate. Also odd is the fact that in washing with distilled water the Xylene layer, to get out any sodium carbonate left in the solvent, the water layer is now completely white - whiter than the original sodium carbonate water was - s I think something more than stray SC is being pulled out from the solvent here. Any ideas from the more chemistry minded among us?
 
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To basify I used standard lye, sodium hydroxide.
I've now had the emulsion sitting in a hot water bath and its seperated a good deal. I've also done the same with the cloudy water/xylene jar and left it to sit and its starting to show clear non-cloudy bubbles or clouds in the white water layer.
I've got some pics here to illustrate.

The water & Xylene wash mixture just after I'd mixed them
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And now see the difference at the bottom
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The emulsion layer - it isn't too clear in this pic but there was a lot of emulsion mixed up Xylene and wateryMHRB juice right after coming out of the sep funnel - this pic is from a little later after they'd begun to sligtly seperate out anyway
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and after heating
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I was planning to keep the Xylene - at this point though I'm not throwing anything away - I don't think the cloudy water layer is purely Sodium Carbonate, as I didn't put that much in in the first place and most would've come out in the SC wash layer rather than the subsequent distilled water wash which this is. So I think something else has been pulled out, I think I'll seperately evaporate it when I've got a spare evap dish - just wondering if any leftover sodium carbonate might be harmful smoked or eaten?
 
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I'e now seperated the xylene layers off and have been evaporating them for a week now, with a fan. It evaporated down quickly enough but is proving very slow to evaporate completely, there's just a thick layer on the tray that doesn't seem to be drying anymore, even in the hot heat we're having. I'm just wondering which of these would be likely to improve evaporation and get actual dry crystals/powder without damaging any of the spice or unknown alkaloids: a infrared heat lamp or putting the evap tray on a gentle heat from a food heater device designed to keep food warm while serving (no flames)?
 
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Like I said, there's a lot of cactus sludge in that xylene that will probably never evaporate. Even if it were pure mescaline freebase, it would be a nasty oil. You're not going to get anything approaching dry by evaporating that solvent down.
As for the white stuff, xylene just does that sometimes with aqueous solutions. I think it's tiny air bubbles and water suspended in it. Xylene doesn't reject water as readily as other solvents do.
If you want to get alks out of this, I still say you're going to have to salt them.
 
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Not sure why this was even attempted other than having cut spice.

Smoking mescaline is very inefficient and huge amounts would be needed (~750mgs)
Smoking spice with freebase mescaline oil doesn't sounds very appealing and I doubt the experience will be much different other than it smoking a lot harsher and having a lot more material to smoke to breakthough.
 
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It was attempted in the spirit of scientific enquiry & waste-not-want-not-ishness. Basically just to see what the result'd be. I'd say again that I wasn't anticipating any mescaline in this, just all the other cactus alkaloids and oils - I was hoping for a possible synergistic effect with the dmt. Though the issue of them not drying by evaporation is a bit of a problem.
Noman, thanks for the info about xylene and the white stuff, first time I've seen it. By salting out do you mean redissolving in xylene (or other solvent) and washing with acidified h2o before seperating & evping the layers? Or am I off on the wrong track,
 
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Attention All Shipping said:
By salting out do you mean redissolving in xylene (or other solvent) and washing with acidified h2o before seperating & evping the layers? Or am I off on the wrong track,
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Yeah, then your alks will be in the acid solutin and you'll have to rebasify and extract with clean solvent.
it's the only way I can think of to separate your alks from the gunk.
 
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Just a bit of an update, I took Noman's advice & seperated the oils/alkaloids from the Xylene, though the resultant Xylene hasn't really evaporated fully either so I reckon I'll do it again. Some pics follow:

The cactusy/MHRB oils & alkaloids seperated in a hydrochloride wash
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Next 2 are the evaporated Xylene, though I did soak some in parsley before doing the hydrochloride wash
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All 3 pics are still not evaporating dry, especially the oils. Anyone know a way to dry this?
 
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