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The Logos

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How much water and lye did SWIY use? Let the bark break down completely to. What is the temperature of your mixture and how cold is your freezer?
 
not breaking the bark can affect the yield A LOT...

I once was in a friend's house and he said he would make us some jurema tea for us.. So this friend just put the pieces of jurema in the pot, boiled for a long time, and then poured it into a big mortar-and-pestle kind of thing to break it.. He repeated this 3x, boiling for a couple of hours each time.. After all this time, me, being a bit skeptic of his technique, went to look at the pieces of jurema he was boiling.. I pulled a piece and 'peeled' it into thinner layers.. After all these hours of boiling, the inner layers were COMPLETELY dry.. This means no water reached it, which means a considerable amount of alkaloids never went to the solution and were gonna be thrown away after he finished his process..

so... I would say grinding is the way to go, at least coarsely..

By the way, we can only tell you more about your process if you tell us how much water/lye/mimosa you used, and how many pulls you made with what solvent.. this is critical to give feedback on your tek
 
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tell me about it....
tripping face at the moment i cant help but feel sad
cant place my finger on it i feel i lost something while i have gained so much it almost doesnt matter...

"too much tripping and my souls worn thin..."

ohhhh! dont throw it away man let it sit... till its sludge then pull and pull good lay on the side and roll it for 10-15mins nice slow rolls.. then tilt it end over end 10-15 mins... let sit then pull
 
well thats just not true...SWIM has had wonderful yields with heptane...but you should try d-limonene..a much better solvent...heptane is good for good clean spice

and dont add anymore lye..you have already used way too much in SWIMs eyes..SWIY already used 400g more than SWIM would use...

and just try adding a bit of heat to the solution..it will increase your yield dramatically or your bark is bunk
 
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Jorkest said:
well thats just not true...SWIM has had wonderful yields with heptane...but you should try d-limonene..a much better solvent...heptane is good for good clean spice

and dont add anymore lye..you have already used way too much in SWIMs eyes..SWIY already used 400g more than SWIM would use...

and just try adding a bit of heat to the solution..it will increase your yield dramatically or your bark is bunk
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How much did SWIY got from heptane extraction? It's either the heptane or the ungrind rootbark. If it's the latter, then there is nothing he can do about it.
He also can't add heat because the only heat source is the stove in the kitchen where all the cooking is being done and the bucket is plastic. Too many variables, too many things can go wrong.
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Sink in your kitchen? hot water bath
I'm curious as to why you thought unground bark would be better?
 
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However, he does not know for sure if the ungrind rootbark is really responsible for the low-yield.
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You could combine the lost product from all the other things you did wrong and it still wouldn't compare to how much you lost from not grinding your bark. Not grinding bark will always be responsible for very low yields.
 
Thank god you said that about grinding the bark being a big factor. SWIM thought he was retarded when he had almost no yield, but that's b/c he just broke the bark by hand and added to the lye.:(
 
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As for the ungrind rootbark, that was an advice he took from the lazyman tek. First, he did not anticipate the bark to be this tough. He had imagine everything disintegrating completely by day 3, which it did not, or ever will. I believe he thought the dmt salt would partially oxidize when it is powdered.

Thinking back on it now, any loss would have been negligible and perfectly acceptable with the amount of time saved.
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Darn, unfortunately lazyman's tek is not a great one, as you now know first hand.

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However, he does not know for sure if the ungrind rootbark is really responsible for the low-yield. It's all speculation for now until he does his first naphtha pull.
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Huh? How do you know you're getting a really low yield if you haven't done the first pull yet?

I think it's possible that it could be saved if you separate the bark and liquid, let the bark dry then break/blend it to a powder as best as you can, then re-add it to the liquid and try pulling again.
Best of luck.
 
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Terrifying in ways no normal person would be able to understand.

He knows that all of you have experienced the exact same thing, only with different context. That's why he feels so close to you all, almost as if we are the same, only different copies of each other.
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ALL-ONE :D
 
just let the bark soak in that lye water for a week or two...dont throw it away..its all still there..just give it some time
 
and the thing is..you can always find a way to heat it or do whatever..SWIM doesnt have running water..he cleans everything with his spit;) he lives out in the woods in a tiny cabin..and still manages to extract good clean spice..and many other things that he enjoys...so just because you dont think you can do it..doesnt mean there isnt a way...because if theres a will theres a way

SWIM sometimes uses his PS3 to heat up his solutions..or sits it on a heated blanket..or a heat pad for seedlings...or run it under hot water...or wrap it in a black blanket and put it in some direct sun light..

there is always a way..

this is a creative process...get creative with it..it can be so fun and enjoyable figuring out ways to get these magnificent materials..just stay lose..dont deal in absolutes..and keep moving forward...and you will get there
 
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The Bestine is most likely partly guilty as well.
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Why?

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He discarded everything and does not plan on doing the naphtha pull, simply because he would have to order a pipet online.
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He's been pulling with an eye dropper and from what he gather, naphtha is substantially more toxic. He doesn't plan on spending that amount of time in front of a naphtha container.
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What are you comparing to? Naphtha is substantially more toxic than what?
I really don't see how this is a concern? Apply fundamental safety precautions and you'll have a difficult time doing damage to yourself with naphtha.

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SWIM will blast off with what he has when he finds the right pipe (SWIM has a water bong), and abandon this freebase extraction until a safer and more convienent method is derive.
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You chose one of the worst teks, that typically cause people problems, didn't attempt to fix your problem using the suggestions above, then shrugged it off by saying the tek is not safe or convenient enough.
This is an extremely convenient method for extracting the most powerful psychedelic known to man.
There's a vast amount of information on safer methods, such as the drytek that was pioneered here.
Browsing the forums or searching would of revealed this.

I don't think you should give up, but if you've already abandoned it, then I hope you manage to get it next time.
 
For #1; Lye is a common drain cleaner. There isn't really any risk in that sense, unless you're buying it by the kilo, but that would not be a clever thing to do.
#2; Petrol, diesel and gas are neurotoxic too. A knife can kill you. So can a spoon. You ("you" in the general sense, not "you" personally The Logos) have to really doubt your ability to function properly if you're that concerned over using a chemical which will cause no harm if you apply fundamental safety precautions.

Multiple times my friend has exposed his bare hand to the basified MHRB mix, the only time it hurt was when he had bitten the skin near his finger nail too deep, and it touched the flesh. It stung no more than when the same thing happens with salt or vinegar and was fine after about 10 seconds.
He's also dipped his fingers into the solution to retrieve a dropped spoon, with only a _very_ thin plastic glove and there was no damage to his glove or hand.
I find the worry people have over lye and naphtha to be a bit over the top.
I'm not saying it's not dangerous, because it definitely _could_ cause terrible terrible damage. (and I know of times when it has gone wrong for people) However, my friend applies bare minimum safety precautions and a 5 second stinging finger tip is the worst that has happened. You're probably in a much better situation than him (for extracting) as well.

I recommend you look into the drytek: SAFE d-Limonene+calcium hydroxide Tek? - Advanced/Enhanced chemistry - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus :)

I wish you all the best for your next extraction and hope you get to experience this wonderful spice soon :)
 
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