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vovin

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There seems to be so many variables to pharma these days. I haven't tried it in years and I have forgotten pretty much everything I knew as I had tried it only a few times back then.

Question 1: I think I remember reading somewhere that if you mix freebase DMT with orange juice it will covert it to fumerate is this correct?

Question 2: I have some B.Caapi Cielo leaves from maya etho I use for my changa would it be wise to concentrate this down to prevent nausea or just brew it up into a tea. If so how much of straight leaf would be best advisable for a beginning journey.

I am used to tripping pretty hard for hours on changa but my lungs need a break. As I have read some of the posts here I find that I smoke more DMT and caapi than what some people are using for their pharma which is what is perplexing me at this point.
 
dissolving dmt in orange juice will turn it in citrate (fumarate is the salt made from a solution with fumaric acid, but orange juice doesnt have fumaric acid, it has citric acid mostly). But yeah this will be fine for drinking it. Do note that dmt freebase might not dissolve so well in the juice, so some chunks kinda keep floating around.. Keep pressing those chunks against the walls of the glass and stiring well, and it should eventually dissolve.

regarding caapi leaves, personally I never tried drinking a tea from caapi leaves, only from vine. According to erowid, leaves have anywhere around 0.25 to 1.9% alkaloids, but mostly seems to be under the 1% mark, even quite lower. Check this out: Erowid Online Books : "Ayahuasca: alkaloids, plants, and analogs" by Keeper of the Trout

But lets say if its 1%, and you need around 200mg harmalas, then you need 20g leaves. Might be more, might be less, but I guess its not bad amount to start with. Maybe it would be better if you first took the leaves by themselves first without dmt. If 20g doenst make you feel anything, increase dosage. MAOI should be inhibited when you are considerably feeling the effects of harmalas by themselves (no need to be 'tripping', but just feeling it without a doubt), so once you find your level, you can add the dmt next time.

As I said I personally never tried caapi leaves orally but I guess I would just make a tea (4xhalf an hour boils or something). I would also drink the dmt-containing juice right after, not wait much between.

Good luck and tell us how it went!
 
Thanks bro I am going to give it a shot this weekend I just dont want to waste too much or go too far so I am trying to get my bearings. I'll keep detailed logs of the situation so I can report back, that is if it works.I am thinking about taking the caapi tea and then smoking the freebase spice to reach the desired level and get a feel for the MAOI need first before I orally take in the DMT.
 
200mg harmalas (Harmine50%/THH50%) in shot glass of pure grapefruit juice; then 50mgDMT in another shot glass of grapefruit juice. Stir both.. dissolveee.

Down harmalas..wait 20-25 minutes until effects are felt from the harmalas. Thennn down dmt shot glass. BEST experience i have had and strongest to date...

Have also done oj...but theres just something about grapefruit juice..
 
DMTtripn2Space said:
Have also done oj...but theres just something about grapefruit juice..
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That's interesting. When I was doing DXM I read that grapefruit juice inhibits some kind of enzymes that convert DXM to DXO, resulting in a more pleasant trip. Perhaps these enzymes act on DMT or the MAOIs in some way.
 
Won't the freebase convert to an acid in the stomach anyway? What is the benefit to converting it beforehand? I've only tried pharma once, and it was with freebase.
 
Electric.Sight said:
Won't the freebase convert to an acid in the stomach anyway? What is the benefit to converting it beforehand? I've only tried pharma once, and it was with freebase.
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The freebase will raise the pH in your stomach, potentially making you nauseous. I think it kicks in faster as it is converted ahead of time. I've never taken pharma, but that's the impression I'm getting from other Nexians.
 
vovin said:
Thanks bro I am going to give it a shot this weekend I just dont want to waste too much or go too far so I am trying to get my bearings. I'll keep detailed logs of the situation so I can report back, that is if it works.I am thinking about taking the caapi tea and then smoking the freebase spice to reach the desired level and get a feel for the MAOI need first before I orally take in the DMT.
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Yeah, what I always say as to not waste is to aim low with the oral dosage and then if after an hour or so following ingestion, if you don't find yourself where you'd like to be, vape some freebase on top of that.

Also in terms of the conversion in the stomach, yes your body is capable of the conversion by itself, but it's almost guaranteed to make you nauseous.
 
Interesting, I must have gotten lucky then as I didn't experience any nausea whatsoever from either the rue or the freebase. I'll give the OJ a shot if I decide to try it again.

Would converting it before hand not raise the acidity in the stomach? I know sometimes when I drink OJ I get annoying acid reflux.
 
What has peoples experience been with dosing the harmalas and the DMT at the same time? Or the DMT very shortly afterward? I remember for some period people were saying it was more effective and more consistent to drop them simultaneously. Just about to do my first pharmahuasca and I was planning on trying them either simultaneously or eating the DMT no more than 5 minutes after, but I second guess that now with no mention of this method before this post.
 
vovin said:
Question 1: I think I remember reading somewhere that if you mix freebase DMT with orange juice it will covert it to fumerate is this correct?
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This permanently ruined my ability to enjoy orange juice in a normal context. the taste will haunt me for life.
 
dumbstruck said:
What has peoples experience been with dosing the harmalas and the DMT at the same time? Or the DMT very shortly afterward? I remember for some period people were saying it was more effective and more consistent to drop them simultaneously. Just about to do my first pharmahuasca and I was planning on trying them either simultaneously or eating the DMT no more than 5 minutes after, but I second guess that now with no mention of this method before this post.
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Always take it at the same time. Mix your dmt fumerate and harmalas together and put it in a capsule, poke a hole in either end and enjoy .
 
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