First Ayahuasca Trip - Strange extreme experiences

[kayvic01]

HI Guys,

I prepared my first Ayahuasca concoction last weekend for my wife and myself.

And our experiences were both end of the scale.

I just wanted specify my preparation steps here and see if any of you good people can identify any error in my method.

Here goes.

:::Ingredients:
1) Banisteriopsis caapi =50g
2) Psychotria viridis =50g
3) Concentrated lemon juice 250ml
4) A large container


::: Preparation:
1) soaked B.Caapi and P. Viridis in above lemon juice and 150ml of water
2) Left above mixture for 12 hours
3) Strained above mixture into large container
4) Put B.Caapi and P. Viridis to boil in pot of water over very low heat
5) After 2 hour, added content of large container to the cooking
6) Continued boiling 1.5 hour
7) Boiled down to 500ml (share equally b/w my wife and myself


::: Ayahuasca Administration:
I had my does before my wife, so i had mine on Friday evening and my wife had hers on Saturday evening. This is so we can babysit each other.

::: Mine Experience:
The effects lasted about 3 hours but were very very weak.
I saw geometric patterns 4 times but the intensity was very weak (like washed out color) to develop into a full experience.
I did not purged, but after 3 hours i had to use the toilet for number 2.
After this it was over.


::: My wife's Experience:
She had full on experience. very intense geometric patterns. She found herself on place which can only be described as out of this world.
She also received messages (which are personal to her and the family). Also she experience psychological and physical healing. She purge after 1 hour (and 4 times afterwards). Basically she had a spiritual experience.
The intense effect lasted the whole night (about 12 hours). Afterwards she still had a slight which lasted about 4 day.


Note: Neither of us had the snakes and earth like experiences that is normally associated with experiences


Can anyone shed light on why the exterm difference in experiences. Also am planning another trip for myself only this weekend to determine what my B. Caapi and P. Viridis strenghts are – any suggestions.

 

[christian]

Note: Neither of us had the snakes and earth like experiences that is normally associated with experiences

Firstly you took 1 dose between 2 people, so no wonder you had weak experiences. Nevertheless, visionary experiences depend on many factors including sensitivity to the medicine, dietary conditions, healthy body, etc....

 

[haeratic]

Yep WAY too little to split between 2 people. Don't worry tho, at least you didn't drink the viridis before the caapi like I did my first time.

 

[Agave]

You also didn't cook your vine for near long enough. You need to boil and strain 3 times for 3 hours each, minimum. Doses for different individuals can vary wildly, sounds like you just need to drink more. I'm happy to hear your wife had a strong journey. One other thing- you might try a bit of white vinegar instead of lemon. It might improve the the taste somewhat. Good Luck

 

[dabear1990]

Yes, I agree with much of the above there was too little. I mean, yes your wife had a very healing experience. That is great, congrats to her, however; you on the other hand require more. I personally have only brewed three times and only successfully got anywhere the second, though I ended up going waaay too far to even remember most of mine. It is difficult to get the dosage right other than through trial and error. Though, be very careful with the ingredients you use, that is incredibly important. To me it would see you used probably Peruvian chacruna, or yellow. So the dosage amount seems right, just for one average person however.

I would suggest you try the crockpot method (See Ayahuasca.com forums for such, I'm a member there as well). I don't know if anyone here has done it, but it is a great method. It doesn't require you to stand over it for hours on end, and in my opinion (the best part) is it allows you to cook it for longer getting more out of the medicine out of the fantastic plants. I personally a few weeks ago, with my 4th most recent brew, which I have only just reduced down, allowed it to slow cook for over a period of 2 weeks or so you can only imagine that you get a huge percentage of the good medicine out of the plants.

Good luck on your travels sir, and tell your wife the same. Respect Mother Vine and she will treat youw ill and lead you on your travels, I believe she spared me from the majority of the crazy experience I had.

Welcome to the Nexus.

Peace and love.

 

[kayvic01]

Thanks guys for your input.

@Agave...I've started the brew preparation and will defiantly apply your suggestion to my process - i've got the white vinegar to replace the concentrated lemon. I'll let you know how it goes.

@dabear1990... i'll also look into the crockpot method method as you suggested

 

[nexalizer]

Yep WAY too little to split between 2 people. Don't worry tho, at least you didn't drink the viridis before the caapi like I did my first time.

:d :d

 

[kayvic01]

Guys...Okay i soaked 50g of B. Caapi and 50g of V. viridis in white viniger and water for over 12hrs from last night (...i might have used too much viniger)

I've started the 1st (of 3) 3hrs boiling. I'll be administering tonight, and i'll keep you posted on my experience.

 

[kayvic01]

Guys...Okay i soaked 50g of B. Caapi and 50g of V. viridis in white viniger and water for over 12hrs from last night (...i might have used too much viniger)

I've started the 1st (of 3) 3hrs boiling. I'll be administering tonight, and i'll keep you posted on my experience.

Hi Guys,

Now to give the result....

I took the brew at 4:00 am this morning (am in the UK).

About 15 mins after the brew i use the toilet for number 2 (a lot was passed out), and 15 mins later i had my 1st purge and after another 10 mins i had another purge.

And that was the height of the whole experience, there was nothing else. No geometic pattern, no visions ...absolutly nothing. This is very strange, its like i purged the whole thing out of my system.

Any thoughts will be appriciated. Thanks,

Regards,

 

[Agave]

Sorry friend. How much did you reduce the brew? For that amount you should have had only about a shot glass of reduced liquid to drink. Drinking a lot of volume can lead to premature purging. 50g of vine seems on the light side to me but I suppose in the case of a first time drinker it is best to err on the side of caution just in case your more sensitive. Another possibility is that you needed a good clean out before the main feature.

I meant to tell you that you don't need much vinegar at all. Maybe one tablespoon per liter water is plenty. Keep trying, you'll get there .

 

[kayvic01]

Sorry friend. How much did you reduce the brew? For that amount you should have had only about a shot glass of reduced liquid to drink. Drinking a lot of volume can lead to premature purging. 50g of vine seems on the light side to me but I suppose in the case of a first time drinker it is best to err on the side of caution just in case your more sensitive. Another possibility is that you needed a good clean out before the main feature.

I meant to tell you that you don't need much vinegar at all. Maybe one tablespoon per liter water is plenty. Keep trying, you'll get there .

@Agave... Thanks for your response. You've mention 3 points:

1) Quantity of brew boiled down:
Approximately 200ml (This might have been a bit much, do you reckon 100ml or 50ml is ideal)
2) Quantity of vinegar:
I went extremely overboard i soaked in about 300ml of vinegar plus 100ml of water (So you say it should have been 1000ml water to 1 tb-spoon vinegar)
3) Clear out needed:
What do you mean by clear out. Also why do you think i need this.

Once again thanks for you assistance, I feel its helping me get closer. If i have every information i need i'll be having another go this weekend.

 

[Agave]

Oh my God, pickled Ayahuasca! Yeah, it takes just a very small amount. Some folks don't use any acid at all but I live in the desert and my water is more on the alkaline side so just a bit of vinegar will drop (acidify) the ph alot . You weren't too out of line on the reduction though. It is good to reduce about 1g of material to 1ml of liquid. I always brew my P. Viridis separately though so I have control over how much admixture I want to drink.

What I mean by cleaned out is that ayahuasca works on a physical, psychological, and spiritual level in moving things out into the open where impurities, issues and stagnant crap (literally) can be discarded or dealt with and the idea is that the brew works more effectively if and when this crap is out of your system. Also the whole idea behind dieta.

 

[kayvic01]

@Agava...Thanks for your input.

I'll be making another attempt this weekend, i'll keep you posted on the outcome. I think i have enough information for the re-trail.

One quick question. What is recommended consumption schedule for Ayahuasca? Am hoping consuming - or tried so far - every week will not bring any harm.

 

[dabear1990]

Woah, 300ml of vinegar!?!?! Wow, that is way too much, a splash will do in all honesty. lol My last batch of caapi I only used probably 30ml definitely no more than 50ml of vinegar for the entire batch and only on the first pull, not on the sequential pulls.

Quick question, what type of Caapi and chacruna are you using? Do you know their origins?


I agree with the above 50g does sound light, but it all depends on what you are using. Specifics will help, please.

As well, are you brewing it all together or brewing the Caapi and Chacruna separately? Many beginners, as myself, find it a lot easier to brew separately to have a lower chance of messing up the brew. I personally brew the Caapi first then the Chacruna while i'm reducing down my Caapi.

 

[kayvic01]

@dabear1990, my brew plants are 1) (Red) Banisteriopsis caapi -50g- and 2) Peruvian Psychotria Viridis Leaf -50g. I bought them online. Where and how they are made I don't know.

In my last attempt - last weekend, I followed the advices that have been given so far and boiled the brew down to about 30mls - and by the way i used about 10mls of Vinegar this time.

My experience was strange. No geometric patterns or any of the generally mentioned initial experiences reported by many of the brew users.

-I took the brew at 4am, after a few hours’ sleep

-I did have cold feet and strange sensation all over.

-I purged after about one hour

-I felt a bit light headed, but nothing else for a couple of hours

-I then fell asleep, and woke into an Out of Body experience about 2 hours later - now I don't know if it was my body or consciousness that was traveling, but I’ll just say my body.
My vision was very poor - like I was looking through a very narrow slit in my eye lids.
I found myself floating in the dark (like it was 2-3am) and where this place was I don’t know, approaching a tunnel leading to an underground dwelling (am not really sure what to call it).
My body travelled into this tunnel for about 100meters, then I saw that it lead to an opening ahead which was lit up. There were 2 beings standing there facing each other - looked like they were communicating, but did not notice me bcos i was a distance off. These entities have strong resemblance to the Grey Alien but they were very tail, bout 6.5 feet or there about.
My body then turned left and pushed into the ground which then turned out to be another tunnel but much narrower than the one above.
This time I could not see anything, but I was aware that there were entities around me. My body all of a sudden turned around in an attempt to escape - I can only guess that my presence had been discovered.
My body quickly travelled out of the tunnels back up to the ground level outside the main tunnel’s entrance, hiding behind bushes 50-60 meter to the left of the entrance. I could then hear some sort of vehicle coming out of the tunnel. As this vehicle came out of the entrance, I moved another 50-60 meters away from the tunnel. But the vehicle was able to track me somehow. My body moved to another hiding position much further away. This time I saw the vehicle approach me, it had 2 main headlights like normal cars but 2 smaller lights below the main light – less further apart than the main.
Then something strange happened, I could hear the sound of a vehicle picking up momentum but It was coming from me – I can only describe it sounding like a well-engineered building elevator. Then my body picked up a very incredible speed – I can’t guess how fast it was, but I could hear the motor. After that I lost consciousness.
And regained consciousness in my room –still in Out-Of-Body. My sight was still poor, but I was clearly still out of my body, I felt my body floating and my body was hit my bedroom ceiling. This lasted about 2-3minutes and I lost consciousness again. After which I woke up.

Now I must admit this sound like something out a Sci-Fi movie and if I was reading this I would immediately discard it, buy am sharing this hoping that someone out there will be able to make sense of the experience. I’ve had this experience since last Friday and originally was not going to share bcos how ludicrous it sound, but I can’t get it out of my head.
The thing I found strange about the whole experience is: Was that my Astral / Etheric …body in that experience. Why does it sound and behave like a vehicle (almost like some spaceship with consciousness). I was more of an observer than a participator and did not consciously take any of those actions.
Thanks guys.