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First breakthrough BAD experience and WTF experience

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MooshyPeaches

MooshyPeaches

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So after multiple non breakthrough doses, I started getting fed up with not being able to reach hyperspace. This time I loaded up the pipe with way more than i have ever taken, it was a PILE of dmt in the pipe. Perhaps this is too much, im not sure what 60mg looked like, but im thinking this may have been more. I took in the first hit, actually able to hold it into my lungs and i believe i took about 3-4 other hits before, i suppose decided to lay back and shut my eyes.

-i didn't sign up for this-
I was presented with meeting one pissed off entity composed out of razor sharp 'limbs' it wasted absolutely no time as it proded, stabbed, shredded and dissected my body/mind/soul/consciousness/whatever. each time i would be flinching and flailing about but had no idea what/who i was and couldn't really do anything but stare at it. somehow this thing was razor sharp on every surface area, even a razor blade has its flat side, this entity was something totally different. i can't remember quite what it was doing but it was something along the lines of looking through what i am, taking pieces of me out and putting pieces in; sorting me, regardless it didn't want me to be comfortable and seemed to not really care if i died or not, it was just after its one purpose whatever that may have been. im quite sure that my heart in real life must've been on the verge of a heart attack and i was moving around. After sometime i could realize that on these horrible malformed razor sharp tentacles there were eyes, i began to just stare into them and could realize that mr. deathprober-of-all-hatred was indeed not a friendly being right to the core, ifi see him again, i shall poke him in the eye. This lasted for about 70% of the experience.

-this is what i came for!-
Eventually it just disappeared. I guess it got whatever it wanted. And i was in a darkish room with not much light. I was still in absolute shock of what just happend and whats going on. I than looked infront on me and there were four-six people with jester hats on, or something all on their hands and knees. I started to become somewhat conscious, just realizing that these are other people kind've like me i guess. I was still in horrible shock but began to realize this place was a bit safer, what were these people doing all on their hands and knees? they were all facing away from me and were looking back at me and kept pointing infront of them/myself. I was trying to look at what they were pointing at and didn't understand. I realized as all of them were pointing at this light sort of thing ( jimjam ?) that they wanted me to point at it as well. before i could really understand i felt my self coming back to 'reality' although i didn't really know what that was, i began pointing at this thing and got frustrated i yelled "i don't know what to do!" and than "how do i get it??" i was still in shock from mr.death-prober-of-all-hatred by the time i understood what to do and felt a little playful, time was up. I opened my eyes and had the feeling i was in a incubator and the light on the celing was a mothers face looking down at me with a smile. I also 'woke up' sitting-up and my hand pointing ahead of me, lol. my heart was beating very strongly.

reflections
All in all, including mr.DPOAH it was a very awesome experience, even though negative and almost scarring, i am VERY satisfied that i made it to hyperspace and was able to experience this existence within this lifetime. I am very UNsatisfied that i couldn't just start the experience with those elves and be in a non worried state so i could 'play' with them and actually enjoy that place i was in. For now i think it would be wise for me to wait until my milligram scale comes in so that i can make sure im not taking too much, which perhaps propels you into mr.DPOAH's living room.

about 60mg is what you need for hyperspace right? Thanks for the read guys.
 
I think that required dosage really varies. Personally I regulate dosage with the number of hits from the pipe. I rarely if ever smoke the whole dose that has been put into the pipe and I usually would put about 20-45mg but that is usually onto 1:1 enhanced leaf. Many times it's just the enhanced leaf (D'Arco bark) alone and for me 1 to 2 hits is plenty and there is usually a hit or two left for later. I don't think that you can will Mr. DPOAH away but you can take away his power by resigning to the experience and not fighting it at all. I try to avoid letting the visuals become "movies" and try to see them as just colors and patterns and this seems to dissipate the power of Mr. DPOAH and other frightening scenes. Your description and naming of Mr. DPOAH is classic!! Congratulations on your experience and report.
 
Interesting that this happened to you this quickly. You can count on some real riveting, almost fearful journeys once in a while. Perhaps tone down the amount. I usually eyeball the amount as everyone has different tolerances to "breakthrough". Good news is it doesn't last long if the wheels fall off. Adjust accordingly and get back on the horse - you won't be disappointed.
 
For what it's worth, SWIM is still working with 40mg doses weighed by scale. He finds it's the perfect dose for him as a newcomer to DMT. It's just enough to rocket him into another dimension but still have a very fleeting remembrance of his physical body. The result is that he can ground himself in a way if he gets scared. He can remember his physical body is safe and that the trip will be over soon.

SWIM only manages to get 2 hits with 40mg through a bong. Usually the world is vibrating and morphing in front of him by the time he lights the second time. He has big lungs though :p

Lungs big enough to inhale a universe 😉
 
death prober of all hatred. lmao.

well, your experience makes swim feel a bit better about his most recent rather frightening experience:

1) everything was happening in the same space, lots of very confused things, like people trying to carry tables through doorways which wouldn't fit, and stuff.
2) then, a rather large rather scary pallid white elephant lookin' squid type entity came directly at swim and his third eye chakra. initially he thought it might be fun
because its tentacles seemed to morph into breasts and other squashy things, but it turned out to be most definately evil. it seemed like it just wanted to come straight
at swim, and eat/suck at his face. He tried pushing/projecting and otherwise squirming away from it. The experience ended due to the drugs actions, but SWIM wonders if
part of that encounter with that particular entity hasn't left somekind of lasting "psychic scar" on him. There is just no way to know; It could be hallucinations caused by his own brain, in which case 'sofuck' its a scary experience this time. OR it could be another dimension with not-so-friendly residents, inwhich case we could be getting psychicly raped due to ignorance.

But by that token, it seems like Death prober was a lot more nasty than mr squidman, but I empathise with you brother. Its not nice to have to experience that kind of thing.
 
Thanks for the responses guys. After thinking about it for a bit, im starting to beleive that mr.DPOAH wasn't really 'after me' it was more that i rocketed into its area, or its territory of hyperspace and it than sensed and came to me. I beleive it was just trying to figure out who/what i am, how did i get into its territory/this realm, and what my purpose/reasoning was for being there. It was like it went into my mind and figured out, "oh ok its a human, injested something that allows its consciousness to seperate from its current biological vessel, it didn't mean to come to this area, doesn't want to steal/change any of my plane of existence/energies/whatever" and after it sorted through my ego or what-have-you it figured out i was just a harmless, ignorant, lost earth tourist and it kinda just went, "ahh ill just toss him to those elve's for now, if it comes back ill deal with it"

Hope my scale comes sometime soon, can't wait to go back ^_^

Im thinking that when you take the proper dose of DMT for *you*, and are in the right setting and mindset for *you* when your going into hyperspace you are somewhat guided to the proper 'area' to be in, perhaps its a little random every time, but it is somewhat controlled or directed. I took toooo much dmt, was anxious, and it was my first time to hyper. So i probably exploded into hyperspace and just ended up in dpoah's realm randomly.

ps-> if i see mr.squidman anytime soon, ill say hi
 
MooshyPeaches said:
"oh ok its a human, injested something that allows its consciousness to seperate from its current biological vessel, it didn't mean to come to this area, doesn't want to steal/change any of my plane of existence/energies/whatever" and after it sorted through my ego or what-have-you it figured out i was just a harmless, ignorant, lost earth tourist and it kinda just went, "ahh ill just toss him to those elve's for now, if it comes back ill deal with it"
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Interesting assessment. Like this creature has adapted to protect itself in a spiritual ecosystem. Begs the question though: if this creature has such a defense mechanism, what other predators are lurking out there? Kind of like deducing a T-Rex from the armour plating of other dinosaurs.

Hyperspace is like a spiritual Serengeti.
 
I dont know what triggered my memory, but earlier i said that i could not remember how i went from that mr.dpoah to the 'jester elves' and somehow i just remembered. after that entity disappeared and before i appeared before the elves, i was in some kind of loop. I could not even remember this when i first came back, when the experience was vivid in my mind. There was some kind of loop where there were certain sounds and me sharply looking around in three different perspectives and it would continue over and over... nothing existed except for these three sounds and three views. Like a side effect of being transported through hyperspace or something. Very weird how i could not remember this straight out of the experience and than days later, not even reflecting about it, it popped into my head.
 
I have had a remarkably similar experience.

I had a metal mantoid type of creature, cold and psychotic, she paralyzed me, sliced me up, probed me etc...

There was a green and metal mantis thing that was pulsating back and forth the length of the room. It was moving back and forth covering the entire length of the room, which seemed endless. This was happening at break-neck speed. SWIM was totally immobilized. The metal mantis was raping SWIM. It was mind rape, soul rape but it was also sexual. It was both frightening but ecstatic.

When the rape was over, SWIM was presented with a vibrating orb shaped mandala, eyes open. It appeared before SWIM and he could alter its shape and frequency by sound. SWIM was humming at different pitches at the Orb, watching it change shape. SWIM had the distinct feeling that he had no idea what the Orb was really for and that he was nothing more than a gnat playing with a gyroscope.
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It's your construct dude. We enter the archetypal soup, the trickster is there to protect the ego and as the ego dissolves so we are 'picked' apart and and spliced up.
 
Hey mooshypeaches,
sorry yo hear this experience was so distressing, I'm glad that you seem to be ok.
I thought that you should know, in the shamanic tradition this type of journey would be called a dismemberment journey, although this sounds very negative it is actually positive.

The dismembering is thought to pull out negative aspects or magical maladies from the individual and perhaps he was putting soul pieces back into you. This is all subjective however but I am curious about how you have felt in the days since this occurred and if on a mental state you are in a better or worse place.

What I'm trying to say is that this journey is an archetypal shamanic journey which is very common in many shamanic cultures and is a part of core shamanic practice as well in western nations. I think although it was scary this may have been some kind of initiatory experience perhaps they made you more sensitive to spice so that you would no longer need to pile so much on. That is just my own thoughts on the story but I do not know. The spirits can have they're own agendas I'm sure though and you never can tell, the spice being such a volatile tool however I am interested on your state of being post-experience.

Peace and Love
 
turtleman29 said:
Hey mooshypeaches,
sorry yo hear this experience was so distressing, I'm glad that you seem to be ok.
I thought that you should know, in the shamanic tradition this type of journey would be called a dismemberment journey, although this sounds very negative it is actually positive.

The dismembering is thought to pull out negative aspects or magical maladies from the individual and perhaps he was putting soul pieces back into you. This is all subjective however but I am curious about how you have felt in the days since this occurred and if on a mental state you are in a better or worse place.

What I'm trying to say is that this journey is an archetypal shamanic journey which is very common in many shamanic cultures and is a part of core shamanic practice as well in western nations. I think although it was scary this may have been some kind of initiatory experience perhaps they made you more sensitive to spice so that you would no longer need to pile so much on. That is just my own thoughts on the story but I do not know. The spirits can have they're own agendas I'm sure though and you never can tell, the spice being such a volatile tool however I am interested on your state of being post-experience.

Peace and Love
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Actually i agree on the positive aspect. When i did come back it seemed as though i was starting completely afresh, my ego was very well organized into like five categories (personal experience, school, society, friends, nature) and it was kind of frightening, then after dmt was totally out my body this organized ego returned to normal, but i felt much more aware of whats important to me and life. Aspects of my life that i never really paid attention to or noticed have become so clear to me, all in all it was a good experience, cant wait till my scale comes in and ill head back =].

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And ghost man that does sound very similar to mine, except there was definitely nothing sexual about it. I dont think i was really being immobilized it was more i didnt know what i was/how to move/what the hell is happening.
Thanks for the responses and reflections everyone
 
Mooshypeaches - if I may test my own pet theory, are you by any chance in some sort of engineering/science or otherwise 'analytical' profession or educational track?
 
This was a very interesting read, thank you so much for writing it! When I get confronted with dark entities (that is, anything else than light entities, such as the elves), I turn my focus to my own heart. Not my physical heart, but the loving, joyful part of myself. This is done because dark entities feed on fear. If you on an encounter with a dark entity response with any dark emotions (like fear or anger), the entity will become even stronger and even darker, and so will your own feelings about the experience. If your response is love and acceptance (not necessarily of the entity and it's energies, I am thinking about the general feel of love and acceptance), the entity will loose interest in you and will not manage to do what ever it wants to do, and will therefore soon vanish. Remember, they can not hurt you if you don't allow them to.

Now, I know this can be extremely difficult to do. My only advise is to keep trying, some time you will be able to do it. One more thing, if you are uncertain if an entity is dark or light, a simple "are you in the light?" seems to be sufficient for me. The dark entities can not, for whatever reason, lie when fronted with this question.
 
can't say i've had an experience that scary...

agree with the dismemberment post. quite shamanic. hope you're still together. :)

i don't think lowering dosage is going to prevent this type of thing. the way i see it, you're either in it or not quite, and if you're in it, no matter what dose, the experience can be anything. what do you guys think?
 
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