First breakthrough left me wondering "wtf just happened?"

[gory dkalz]

Hello all. So I have been smoking the spice for a few months now and have had a bunch of very wonderful experiences. The only breakthrough I had was while on MXE and I was told that a breakthrough on N,N alone is very much different. It certainly was. I'll start with earlier today.

I had consumed 113 Oliquiqui seeds but they didnt seem to do much. Only had a slightly elevated head space. I could feel "something" but it wasn't quite tripping. Mostly it just left me relaxed and I even took a short nap. About 3 hours later I decided to vape some DMT. I loaded up 25 mg in my GVG and put on my favorite song to blast off to and went at at. I got some mild effects and realized I had botched my attempt as I didnt get it hot enough. So I hit it again and got a more dense cloud but it only slightly added to the trip and I just finished it out. Afterwards I made sure the pipe was cleared of the last load and put another 25 mg in. I put on another song and went at it again. This time I got a good hit and laid back on the couch. I had a hard time catching my breath after I exhaled and I remember feeling like something was sitting on my chest. The visuals came on and a female form started appearing in front of me but slightly off center so I could not see her face. She began shaking very fast. I also noticed at this time that she was naked and I could see her breasts. Then she had a child in front of her with her arm crossed over the childs chest. The child was also shaking with her but it looked like she was hurting the child. I realized then I was in a childs bedroom laying in the bed. As I'm sitting there watching this, all I can think is "what the hell is going on here. I'm so confused." I kind of wanted it to be over but it wasn't stopping. I felt my body slipping away as I become fully immersed in this scene and realized I had a breakthrough and I instantly resisted it. I wasn't even trying to. I was telling myself just to let go and that would be the best thing but my body wouldn't let me. Eventually I grew tired of watching this woman hurt this child and I wanted to see something else but I was afraid if I opened my eyes that it would be happening right there in my living room. It felt like my eyes were already open actually. So I opened my eyes just a little bit so I couldnt quite focus on my room but I didn't have to watch the abuse on the inside of my eyelids. I closed my eyes again and the scene had disappeared but I could still see the pattern that was on my tshirt and then I realized i was looking at a mirror reflection of myself. This freaked me out on top of an already weird trip so I opened my eyes all the way and sat up. The effects were wearing off by then so I didnt have any open eyed visuals. But I was very confused afterwards.

Usually I get some kind of intuitive feelings about what I'm seeing. Like the other day I saw some people and just knew they were close friends from back home even though I couldnt make out their faces. But this lacked any intuition. It was as if I stumbled through some random door on this scene of this naked woman hurting this child. I didnt feel threatened by it but I was a little fearful. I think that was just the first time breaking through part of it though. I thought I would be ready and able to let go when it finally happened but I guess I wasn't.

This and another experience I had the other day make me second guess if I'm ready to handle cappi tea + vaped dmt. I was planning on making 50 g of the tea then vaping 10 mg to gauge the effects and go on from there. I have only ever had plain old vaped DMT and the thought of being stuck in a scene like that for an hour scares the shit out of me.

So any thoughts or comments on the trip? And any advice with the cappi tea + vaped DMT would also be appreciated.

 

[Friar Fnord]

Well, that sure is interesting! I am wondering though, what is this Oliquiqui(sic?) and what is the active ingredient(s)? I'm still fairly new to the realm of chemicals outside of the classical more widely available ones but Google didn't help

Sounds like your body resisted despite the advice from your mind because of what you were witnessing; the body's natural reaction to scenes such as those would immediately active the sympathetic nervous system (fight/flight/freeze) reflex. It also sounds as though the usual apparatus you may use to 'intuit' the connections/feelings between people was not brought along with you to wherever you went, whomever was there and whatever you saw.

Do you think it has any meaning as to why you may have been shown this? I've learnt that there is rarely any coincidence in life, merely synchronicities we haven't understood yet!

Couldn't help you with the caapi tea idea, I'm yet to try it myself

-FF

 

[gory dkalz]

Oops! Yea I messed up the spelling for that. It's ololiuqui. They are LSA containing seeds similar to morning glory but usually without the nauseousness. They are more potent when fresh so I think these must have been quite old.

As to my body resisting, what you said makes sense. But I can not come up with any reasons why I would see this. I came from a good family and was never abused in any way. This would make perfect sense if I had been. I guess I will continue my journeys into hyperspace and maybe someday some more clues will present themselves for me to piece this together.

 

[Friar Fnord]

If it was indeed a projection of your subconscious mind (internal origin), rather than a foreign scene you just happened to stumble in on then the woman and baby and their relationship between each other (such as it may be) might be symbolic of something else within you. Perhaps if you try overlaying other circumstances within your life on top of the one you viewed in hyperspace, something may click and seem to make sense. If the links are tenuous and the interpretation is far-fetched though, you may be clutching at straws. For example, perhaps something nurturing/beautiful in your life (the mother) is conflicting or destructive to something new or fragile (the baby) in your life.. <shrug>

Only other thing that comes to mind is that it was of 'external origin' ie. what you saw and the way you've applied your interpretation (as most people would ie. child abuse, nastiness, negativity) may not be accurate. Did the child seem hurt and did this female look angry or full of malice? Was the shaking 'violent' or perhaps more like a vibration or hum of matter? It may be that this woman and child were 'communicating', or trying to show you something.. who knows!

Something to think about anyhow.

That ololiuqui sounds interesting, must do some research on it now! Cheers

-FF

 

[tele]

Clearing the GVG with 25mg in one hit will take some practice. Make sure the temperature is right, the copper mesh is proper size and you inhale very slowly.

"WTF just happened" is quite common reaction..

 

[ewok]

Everytime with dmt I get the WTF just happened. Over analysing trips can do be negative at times its good to wanna understand but often can't with dmt.

 

[justine]

Clearing the GVG with 25mg in one hit will take some practice. Make sure the temperature is right, the copper mesh is proper size and you inhale very slowly.

"WTF just happened" is quite common reaction..

What? It's really quite easy as long as the disc doesn't bleed through.

 

[tele]

Clearing the GVG with 25mg in one hit will take some practice. Make sure the temperature is right, the copper mesh is proper size and you inhale very slowly.

"WTF just happened" is quite common reaction..

What? It's really quite easy as long as the disc doesn't bleed through.

Well I don't think it's easy for someone who's new with the GVG, I was referring to this:

I loaded up 25 mg in my GVG and put on my favorite song to blast off to and went at at. I got some mild effects and realized I had botched my attempt as I didnt get it hot enough. So I hit it again and got a more dense cloud but it only slightly added to the trip and I just finished it out. Afterwards I made sure the pipe was cleared of the last load and put another 25 mg in. I put on another song and went at it again. This time I got a good hit and laid back on the couch. I had a hard time catching my breath after I exhaled and I remember feeling like something was sitting on my chest

That is, if it's cleared in single inhalation and kept long enough in the lungs, it would be different if it's pure spice. Therefore I'm saying one will need practice to get it all down in single inhalation. I'm not saying it's difficult.

 

[hixidom]

I have no idea what the best way to get past a scene like this would be. My guess would be that it would help to try talking to entities to move the scenario forward. I like to think that such entities communicate with you in a language consisting of your own memories so, instead of trying to change the visual, try to read into it. Try to search your memory for a connection. I find that, once you understand what a particular scenario is trying to communicate to you, you'll move on from it automatically. Basically, do what Friar Fnord said to do, as far as trip-analysis goes.

Otherwise, you should embrace whatever you perceive while on DMT. Fighting it is futile, but accepting it will help you progress through the trip, I would think.

 

[McCoyBoy]

i say go for the caapi + dmt. dmt is crazy we all know this. but i have had one experience with caapi and dmt and it was beautiful, slow paced, easy breakthrough. a unique experience i recommend you try.

 

[tele]

i say go for the caapi + dmt. dmt is crazy we all know this. but i have had one experience with caapi and dmt and it was beautiful, slow paced, easy breakthrough. a unique experience i recommend you try.

Sublingual caapi + vaped DMT freebase = no other way for me. It brings out something plain DMT doesn't in my experience, that's why I am a caapi lover now.

 

[gory dkalz]

Thank you all for your replies.

I am still getting the hang of using my GVG so normally I have to get it in two hits but sometimes when I go for the second I find that there is nothing left. So I'm slowly but surely getting it down. I think maybe I have a bit too much copper in there. I will try cutting it back some and see if it works easier.

About the sublingual caapi, would that require an extraction? Or do you just boil the tea down to a super concentrated form and hold it in your mouth? I would rather not do an extraction. All the teks I've seen use NaOH and my wife doesn't want me buying or playing around with lye.

I will probably go for the caapi tea journey sometime in the middle of the month when I start getting half days at work.

 

[Purges]

Yup, DMT breakthrough always = WTF?! to some degree, usually quite a ginormous one... And I agree with Tele - 25 mg should be easily smoked in 1 breath with enough practise and right set up - in fact with GVG I find it TOO easy lol, often it is smoked quicker than I expect and BAM breakthrough in less than 20 secs - which can be pretty damn alarming!

And yes CAAPI!!! I don't journey without it these days - Changa is my weapon of choice, which is also marvellous vaped through the GVG, just add some leaf that has nice flavour - mint, jasmine, blue lotus, sage and lavender are favourites of mine.

If extracting is a problem, maybe you could make a menstruum? just soak some vine in IsoPropyl Alcohol for a month, say 10 grams vine for every 2 grams mix (1 g spice, 1g leaf), dissolve your spice in the menstruum, and evaporate onto your leaf - easy Changa with no lye