First Experience, Jungle Spice & DMT , warm nose?

[TylerW60]

Swim performed a extraction with di ethyl ether and heptane on a stb extraction of mmrb, only about 100 mgs of yellow oil + other balls of clay like yellow putty was collected from the first run on it using only about 50 ml of total solvent.

The product was thoroughly dried and collected using about 250mgs of high potency cannabis.

First toke of about 20 mgs junglespice/dmt contained in 100 mgs of cannabis = barely any response, wasn't sure if I was just stoned, ect or didn't work due to improper technique ( direct flame onto the changa )

Second time I loaded the bong bowl with the rest of the substance mix ( 70 mgs jungle spice/dmt 150 mgs cannabis ) Then constructed a perforated foil hat/dome to be placed on top of the packed bowl of changa. Flame was applied to harshly but this time Swim took a huge single slowly drawn toke and held it in for 9 seconds about, then slowly exhaled: This is what followed :


As the smoke entered swims lungs he could feel the harsher texture to the smoke, and hoped this was the dmt

Then as soon as he exhaled he felt a unique warm be drawn up through the bottom of his lungs and into his left nostril, it felt very warm, and very inside of my flesh type feeling, like as if my cells were all their own sentient beings and coated with a warm cocaine/ opium honey syrup being drizzled over them while the capillary action of swims brain waned out to draw the feeling up to it as it filled swims circulatory system.

As these profound chemicals pumped through my heart and to my brain the next thing swim knew is there were unsustainable patterns forming on his carpet, which could be mistaken for swims own imagination, at the time this was happening.

Further unconvinced of my experience I decided to close my eyes, and stay as calm and relaxed as possible in my meditation position.

For my first time I saw 3 dimensional images form before my eyes, like a flam paper bending and warping through space time with checkerboard patterns in grey black and white plotted across its warming surface, seeing the face of the texture landscape prod back and forth to my central vision.

Next this I knew is a great sense of calm happiness I have never experienced before washed over me, I felt so right, so good, unrelated to any feeling Ive ever had, Whenever my mind wandered off I felt physically disgruntled, so I reminded myself to just go with the flow, and then everything was ok again, but it was temping to try and steer the trip in another direction, but it couldn't be done.

As the short lived high similar enough to mushrooms in some was, but more like a salvia experience, swims never had a breakthough on any substance, but that was closer then ever before, I like this substance alot, but after I was done tripping and returned to reality, I coughed up a bunch of tar and noticed a small amount of blood in it, so I don;t think I will be smoking anything for a very long time unless I get pure dmt crystals make. I think the blood could be from the fact that I have been taking codien lately and it suppress coughing, and I wasnt smoking for a week before this, so my lungs had a huge shock, then coughed up all the crap that was just sitting in my lungs. I was a chronic pot smoker before I took that break.. so maybe its a good thing I'm just getting the shit out of my lungs and the small amount of blood is nothing to worry about?

Thank you.

 

[The Day Tripper]

Try vaping it if you have access to a non toxic vaporizer. Tin foil is not made to be near flame, and will put off toxic fumes. You would be suprized at how much more efficient and effective vaporizing is with DMT. DMT FB is always harsh to swims lungs, but burnt DMT is even worse, and swim made the transition to vaping from smoking cannabis without looking back. Much less irritating than smoke, esp if you cool the vapor with water or expansion. A bong does both. A Steamroller would just expand the vapor, but still cool it significantly. another reason to vape your cannabis and other vaporizables is that its anywhere from 3x-6x more efficient for swim. Even ghetto glass vapes will work, but are definitely a crude solution. Just make changa, and load that up in your vape, the temp to vape cannabis is more than good enough to vaporize FB DMT.

Swim uses a woodeez vape, which is a Purple Days clone. ROHS, simple, durable, cheap, pretty, small, and it comes with 3 stems so you can use one for spice, one for FB harmalas, and one just for cannabis. The stems are of course very cheap and you could buy more if you needed/wanted. Hes always wanted to get a vapor genie though and prob will this summer, he kind-of has made a hobby out of vaping and has a MFLB portable vape (that uses one AA battery) in addition to his woodeez home unit. Both are highly recommended and quite inexpensive for a vaporizer of the quality.

Coughing up blood is bad, and cannabis does have a good expectorant effect on the lungs, stopping could allow tar to get congested in the lungs, but smoking anything will put that tar in your lungs in the first place. That seems to me like a positive feedback loop, tar making your lungs less effective at absorbing stuff, then you have to smoke more to get an effect.

swim thinks at a certain point especially with chronic tokers, the expectorant effects of cannabis can be overwhelmed by amount of crap and inflammation in lungs from smoke, NOT the cannabinoids. he has noticed how harsh smoke is now compared to vapor, and when he does smoke a lot he gets headaches and it makes his vaping less effective. But as far as how much better chronic vaping is compared to smoking, the difference is indescribable. Yes the high is different, but that's from less toxins, and you do get much better efficiency so i think its more than a fair tradeoff. Higher temps can also bring more of a combustion style coutchlock due to higher boiling points for the more sedating cannabinoids. SWIM much prefers the vaporizer high to smoking or even oral cannabis. Also, vaporizing is definitely a good way to get shit out of your lungs, something in the vapor is definitely the culprit to cannabis's expectorant effects. By not adding to what it has to remove by combusting your cannabis, it works even better.

BTW- you can try to purify your FB by washing it with small amounts of basic water and then fresh water to get any base water out. SWIM has had good expediences with this, also recrystallization teks do wonders to clean up spice. SWIM likes to FB his orange fumarates with lime, make a paste, dry it, then pull with anhydrous isopropyl. He gets a nice golden goo that is perfect for changa. Iso Only pulls the FB and leaves many impurities behind. SWIM could also dissolve his fumarates in a minimum of water, make a saturated sodium carb. solution, and drop base water into your fumarate solution to freebase the alkaloids and they will then precipitate with time. decant or siphon off water, wash once with water to clean any water-soluble impurities and dry.

Lots of options to clean up spice, many with common kitchen chemicals, most food-safe. It just takes practice and adjusting to find one that works good for your spice.

 

[ragabr]

I would definitely suggest dropping the cannabis when you're using DMT. The difference for SWIM and her friends is huge.

Without harmalas, all you have there is enhanced leaf. It's the RIMA's that make the changa.

Congratulations on your extraction, and take care of yourself. I've had blood from coughing before, but it came from my throat from coughing too much, not from the lungs. Hopefully that's all it is, as blood in the lungs is a much serious issue. Take care of yourself.

 

[TylerW60]

Thank you for your replies, I much appreciate everything you both told me, and yes, the reason for me not having smoked cannabis for a week was because my wisdom teeth got extracted, and I noticed how much better I felt. I`m going to continue not smoking cannabis, and invest in a vaporizer for the dmt. I`m sure the blood was from my lungs, just due to shock of the violent after cough of the successful dmt hit, I just went on a quick run outside and I feel healthy as a horse, and after forcing myself to cough a bit more I noticed no blood or tar, so I think I will be ok as long as I take better care of myself.
I have used homemade vapo bongs before, and I agree nothing could be better for your lungs, On my next extraction I will use Pau D'Arco , Damiana if I can get it , Mugwort, Mullein and maybe some Peppermint or spearmint to add smoothness.
I will get some Syrian rue seeds soon and do an extract on them as well to add to the changa.

Also does this first experience sound like a normal dmt experience, I wasn`t sucked into another world at all, similar to my salvia experience, I could easily control myself physically and mentally, but it felt like a short lived mushroom trip, with that indescribable happy calm feeling of security and warmth. As the time ticked by I kept saying to myself I didn`t want it to end , but was fine with it ending at the same time.

 

[Global]

I made cannabis changa for 420 and that smoke was easily harsher than DMT freebase by itself. Investing in a vaporizer would be most wise. Those herbs you mention sound like much better choices. The experience sounds fairly normal --- the warmth, the happiness....I wasn't really convinced you had a DMT experience until you mentioned the 3D images bending and warping through space. If that's not DMT, I don't know what else is I pretty much did the exact same thing you did when I tried my first extraction by soaking up the "extract" with cannabis and I'm pretty sure I tricked myself into thinking I was tripping. It sounds like you were though.

 

[TylerW60]

It was a very colorless experience, mostly grey and blacks when I closed my eyes, the swirly patterns on my carpet were very shroom like ( I have many shroom experiences under my belt ) , it was amazing, it leaves you with a whole new feeling added to the human experience, that keeps with you, utter less respect for this amazing gift.