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First extraction - brown dmt

R4

R4

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Did my first extraction using the lazyman's tek. We did it together with my friend who has done it before. Learned a lot from the whole process.

The outcome is brown dmt, which I presume is full of lye/impurity

Would it be dangerous to smoke it, or should I absolutely cleanse it out / recrystallising it?
 

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Lye does not dissolve in Naphtha so you have no worries. It could really be some impurity but also dmt itself can be brown from times to times so i would not worry.

As you say worst case you can do a recrystallization, just use like 5 ml for your 0,93 g.
 
R4 said:
Did my first extraction using the lazyman's tek. We did it together with my friend who has done it before. Learned a lot from the whole process.

The outcome is brown dmt, which I presume is full of lye/impurity

Would it be dangerous to smoke it, or should I absolutely cleanse it out / recrystallising it?
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The question is whether any of the 'base soup' got carried over into the crystallisation dish. At first glance, the coloration of your product looks within the normal range since otherwise pure DMT can develop a fairly deep shade through the development of polymers.

For troubleshooting purposes it's helpful to describe what you actually did since there are important details that can affect the appearance of your final product. For example, hot pulls are on the record as commonly leading to darker spice. Another one is whether you freeze precipitated or evaporated your naphtha (always freeze precip if you can!)

Still, 0.93% is a pretty respectable yield and I wonder if you'd get an extra 200mg or so if you did a couple more pulls, depending on how many pulls you already did to get this far (details, details ;) ).
 
Thank you for your replies. I will go into additional detail about the process. Before commenting about derivations from the optimal extraction path. Keep in mind I had only slight base understanding of the process, and was learning on the go. Also we we're in a hurry to get it done in 2 days, because my friend was not going to be in town for 2 months.

Anyways, some context. We used zippo lighter fluid as naptha, and used LDPE plastic bottles for the process (Ik, it's not optimal). Hot pulled it straight into the container, with a 2ml syringe, which took forever :ROFLMAO:

I don't recall if any of the base soup got onto the container, but then again, it does seem like it due to the darker spots on container (picture)

We also didn't freeze recipitate for some reason, instead we put it in the fridge for 24h, and surprise surprise, after pouring out the lighter fluid, the "crystallized powder" still slightly wet (picture) Which, we then scraped of with with a credit card and put it on a parchament paper to evaporate as we we're cutting, swiping it on the paper. This squeezed out the remaining fluid, which we collected. We then proceeded to put the spice in the freezer, now for like 20mins.

In total we did only 1 pull for the 0.93g, and left over solution we put in the freezer, for a later pull, which I gave to my friend as reward for helping me. The left over solution hasn't been weighed, but could be around 200mg as you said.

I'm really surprised how much I was able to extract, especially in mt first extraction. I think the secret could be the affirmations and energy of love, wisdom and expansion I sent to the spice. 🪐

Much was learned, and will do it more optimally next time. Thru our mistakes, we become wiser.
 

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I tried to smonk the spice yesterday using e-mesh & it worked well. Only thing is that it was harsh at the end, as there was something that remained in the mesh smelled like it was burning. I am planning on cleaning it.

Question is: Would a simple recrystallisation with zippo lighterfluid in shotglass, add in spice, wait for seperation, pipette to a container and freeze recipitate do the trick.
Or would I have to wash it with sodium carbonate? What are the differences in these two methods, and which one would be recommended if potentially base soup got onto the spice.
 
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Also reviewing the picture. It looks a lot more brighter & yellow like, in person it's a lot darker & browner
 
I would add a water wash step. Instead of pulling the naphtha directly into the precip dish, I would go to a separate jug as Transform said.
Instead of an empty jug, you throw the naphtha over some clean and hot water (a minimal amount, 10 or 20ml will work) mix and let the phases separate, and pull again from that. (Maybe find a bigger syringe, because 2ml at a time takes forever)

The residues that carried from the base soup to your syringe will dissolve in the water instead of going to the precip dish.
 
Don´t ingest this! Base can be mixed in solvent! If you got separated this brown pulls do this - put it in for example marmelade jar to a freezer for an hour. The brown stuff will be at the bottom! Separate solvent, than freeze precip and perfrom mini A/B on spice. Also don´t use lighter fluid as solvent. Use rather lab grade solvents!
 
Transform is right it is likely just polymers. R4 it looks good to me. Transforms suggestions about the separate jar are a good idea.

Viridian the base does not get carried over to the solvent unless you physically pour, scoop or suck the base layer it into the N/P solvent upon separation.
 
[Disclaimer: i am still new and learning and only on my 5th extraction so take my info with a grain of salt but this is how i learn by trying to contribute my experiences as i go along and having my post critiqued helps me gain perspective]



ive noticed that when pulling at hotter temperatures you will bring a lot more solubility into the equation for a lot of other impurities, and while this can be favorable in the right temperatures for pulling other alkaloids, i have pulled as hot as 88f now and i do notice that when i dont let the naptha settle for very long after mixing and i pull when it is still hot that i will get a yellow product, what is funny is the yellow product has been stronger than the white i would imagine because it pulls other alkaloids from the bark that become soluble at higher temps with psycho active properties as well, when i pull at colder temps and let it settle the result is a much more white spice that is a little bit less heavy of a trip and not as harsh as a hit.

also from my understanding freeze precipitation is done more as a purification process as evaporating technical grade solvents all the way can result in impurities being in the final product. im not sure because i have only read this and only ever performed free precip so far so i dont have much to compare but just thinking zippo fluid would probably end up leaving something behind. The dmt crystals will be the only thing sticking to the bottom of the container due to the dmt not being able to stay in the NPS at those temperatures as it becomes insoluble when its cold in the freezer is the idea and everything else that shouldnt be dmt will be suspended in the NPS still.


i havent performed a re-x or water wash yet on any of my product but i assume its because i have been careful about the steps i take that it hasnt caused me much problems, but even still i know some base layer has gotten into my product and ive both vaporized and smoked it now. the result is just a harsh hit vs the white stuff i pulled but thats about it. i have still been able to carry out my morning runs and everything is fine. however i did get a little bit of raw lungs going on with heavy sessions on the yellow stuff so i am going to be performing a re-x and water wash with extractions from here on out but those are my notes on it in hopes it can help.

obviously it should be avoided if possible and i have already weighed the risks for myself in trying out spice that i new might have a little base in it but ive also done far worse things to my lungs in the past and i am still alive. long term results are still to be determined but short term exposure seems to be youll live if some is accidentally ingested. if anything it seems its more to put the trippers mind at ease.


looks good to me though! sounds like it was a good time and im glad you had the experiences you did! much love man
 
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I also understand pure dmt is polymorphic and can have different colors too but i have also noticed that the other alkaloids that are psychoactive in this bark have color to them as well.
 
I mean it could also be that more dmt is being brought into the NPS at hotter pulls due to the increased solubility and the higher concentration of polymorphism going on could come out as yellow and I suppose the experiences could be a result of that.



However I really noticed a big difference between the yellow that was extracted at hotter temperatures vs the white fluffy that is now a bit yellowish as it's sat and is not as heavy of an experience at all.
 
It seems like the yellow from heated pulls was a bit more nauseating even and the white fluffy from room temp pulls wasn't at all but I mean a lot of factors could influence this I suppose.


Curious to hear others thoughts on this?
 
Also it seems like length of time allowed for the base bark solution to sit Increases yield and also the color changes the longer it sits. I usually let my base soup sit for 24hrs before adding my NPS and then take my pulls over the next couple days. Sometimes it sits longer just depending on my schedule.

Sorry for the rough draft comparison in notes. I need to get better about writing down my procedures and not trying to go from my head. Just hoping to add some perspective and share what I've learned so far.


Attached some pictures for examples between heated pulls and room temp.
 

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Transform is right it is likely just polymers. R4 it looks good to me. Transforms suggestions about the separate jar are a good idea.

Viridian the base does not get carried over to the solvent unless you physically pour, scoop or suck the base layer it into the N/P solvent upon separation.
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Last time I get very brown pulls somehow.. After freeze precip and drying up it was highly smelling by base....
 
i should add I actually did perform a water wash my very first run but didnt know what happened and assumed i had gotten the water too hot or something and that somehow dmt became soluble because nothing came out on the dishes, but then i found out that i had not mixed it well enough and then finally after doing that got good results. however i had not performed a re-x or water wash when i went to pull from it again as i was nervous about losing all of my product again. Now i understand there was no DMT in the naptha to begin with :LOL:



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Last time I get very brown pulls somehow.. After freeze precip and drying up it was highly smelling by base....
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if you dont let the layers settle long enough its possible you can pick some up during the separation process and also if you are not careful you can suck a little bit up and transfer over to the dish it is not impossible to get base into your dish it is just not soluble in naptha but there are other ways it can get carried over and that is due to not being careful with procedures really. If everything is done correctly, regardless the color, the DMT should have little to no lye in the end product.
 
also have you performed an evap test on your naptha? zippo lighter fluid id imagine would not be the most pure source of naptha


something else to consider when using an LDPE jug is that it doesnt sound ideal for heated pulls, id recommend making the transfer to glass if you can or finding a more suitable plastic

or did you mean HPDE?

containers suitable for lye solution

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