First extraction results (& clean up question)

[some one]

Sharing my first A/B extraction results :roll: using Cybs tek with some changes:

100g mhrb, divided in 2 bottles (per bottle 50g mhrb with ratios as per tek).

1 hrs acid soak, 1 hrs lye soak. Both soaks continuously heated to 70 deg C (internal bottle temp) using a heat bath on an electric stove.

5 pulls with 50ml naptha for each bottle. Figure 8 shake for 1 min (instead of 30 sec, no emulsion problems occurred), 10 min rest, repeat 4 times (5 shakes in total incl initial shake). Internal bottle temp around 65 deg C.

Sucked naptha out with pipette. Poured all pulls from both bottles in one sealed mason jar.

Divided naptha in 3 pyrex baking dishes and left in freezer (below -20 deg C) for +24 hrs.

Poured off naptha from dishes by decanting, solids remained in dish. Solids did not stick to bottom. Naptha collected in a sealed mason jar. Dishes left to dry using a fan for 40 min.

Solids scraped off with razor blade. Weighted out to be 2.3g. Consistency: 60-70% light yellow powder soft to the touch, 30-40% dark yellow gel like chucks of oily material.

Cooking setup:

Residue felt to dry:

Total yield 2.3g from 100g mhrb:

1g separated into fine and coarse particles:

Close up:

I read the is your dmt ok to smoke post and wish to do a clean up because:
- Final product has dark oily chucks.
- The yield is relatively high while there's more to come in the naptha remaining.
- Particles already formed in the naptha at room temp after separating from the hot lye solution.
- Found a post stating not to exceed lye naptha mix over 45 deg C. Mine was 65-70 deg C.

Example:
Re-dissolve 1g solids in 20ml naptha.
Take 20ml distilled water and add 5% soda (1g sodium carbonate).
Shake hard and separate asap.
Repeat 2x with distilled water only.
Warm up the 20ml naptha.
Add a small quantity of crushed activate charcoal.
Remove charcoal and decant from solids formed at the bottom.
Freeze and crystallize.

Is this ok, or should I seperate the two clean ups? First dissolve 1g dmt in 50 ml naptha and add 4ml carbonated water. Is this ratio ok? Then freeze and crystallize. Then do a charcoal wash with 20ml naptha per 1g dmt. Is this ratio ok?

In other words, is it bad to use too much carbonated water in proportion to the naptha? Or too much naptha for the charcoal clean up? And can you combine the two or should you do them separately?

Thanks

 

[Earthwalker]

I think you're base was to hot and that's we're you're yellowing come from and 1 more thing did you use salt ??also did you freeze at all as the op says kept in fridge for 24+ ?

 

[some one]

Yeah. Lessons learned: the naptha was too hot. Next time I will reduce temp.

I used 30g salt. It was Celtic sea salt. Similar to Himalaya Salt - high additional mineral content. Was the only salt I had, will use pure salt next time.

I placed the dishes straight in the fridge (edit: freezer).

I refroze the poured off naphta yesterday, I just checked now, more solids have formed. Expect 3% total yield now. Too high to be pure.

How to clean it up? Could I redissolve the contaminated DMT in naptha, then use the steps in this post of yours? Or will a simple sodium carb wash have the same effects? If so, what portions should I use per 1g of DMT?

 

[downwardsfromzero]

First dissolve 1g dmt in 50 ml naptha and add 4ml carbonated water. Is this ratio ok? Then freeze and crystallize. Then do a charcoal wash with 20ml naptha per 1g dmt. Is this ratio ok?

In other words, is it bad to use too much carbonated water in proportion to the naptha?

Note that 'carbonated water' typically refers to a water solution of carbon dioxide - somewhat different from sodium carbonate - it might even dissolve some of the DMT but that's another story. In chemistry, sloppiness of terminology could be fatal! Ok here in context, but elsewhere...

I'd re-acidify (white vinegar or citric acid will do), evaporate, base with sodium carbonate, dry and pull with ethanol, acetone or isopropanol then evaporate to collect goods. This helps one avoid residual naphtha. It's all really quite simple.

Good luck with the clean up!

 

[DeeMenTalist]

Yeah. Lessons learned: the naptha was too hot.

To be more precise your bark solution was too hot. In this case it seems like you get bigger yield but there is lots of some oils and other gunk. I`ve played a bit with cyb`s tek and from my experience i can tell that better to do cold pulls. This way i get clean spice and there is no need to make re-x. Cold pulls give slightly smaller yield but not a big difference if you`ll recrystallize yellow spice from warm/hot pulls. If you want white magic i`d make some small a/b. And again from my own experience white dmt is MUCH better than yellow(in most cases i get harder experiences with this kind of spice) even not talking about orange... Also check out Earthwalker`s salt tek modification for the best results.

 

[some one]

Thanks for your help guys.

downwardsfromzero: I did mean sodium carbonate, you're right. Good correction. I want to give your method a shot. Talking about chem, the thing I lack logic in is ratio's. May be simple, but I want to get it right as to not waste unnecessary yield. So I'll redissolve 1g of contaminated dmt in naptha first. Will 50ml naptha do? Room temp? How much ml acidified water for 1g dmt? pH 3? Room temp? Is one shake and 10 min settle to separate enough? Then discard naptha and evap acid solution. To basify, 1:1 Ha2CO3 : DMT? I have gain alcohol (food grade), which is 96% proof. Will that do or is the 4% water a problem? Ones again, how much ml ethanol should I use? When pulling with ethanol, will there be a residue to be seperated at the bottom? Or is everything left at this point dmt only?

BlazingSatva: Yes I meant bark solution (didn't heat up naptha) I reckon when acidifying and basing prior to pulling, it's good to have higher temp, so the dmt dissolves in the solution better. Then cool down to room temp when adding naptha to pull, correct? Cyb's tek is appreciated for its high yield. But like you say, could this be due to high temp pulls, pulling more than dmt alone. Then again, I heated constantly, instead of momentarily like the tek said. My temp was 65 deg C, if you heat to 30-40 only, might be no problem. Thoughts?

By Earthwalker`s salt tek modification, you mean: ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly)?

 

[DeeMenTalist]

Then cool down to room temp when adding naptha to pull, correct?

Yes, this is what i meant. Quick overview of my process:
1. Keeping acidified solution in warm water bath for about 1,5-2 hours.
2. Salting and let it sit for another 30 mins or so.
3. Adding lye and let it sit in water bath for 1-2 hours. After that taking solution out of the water bath and cooling it down to the room temperature.
And of course mixing and shaking from time to time.
4. Making 4-5 pulls with 25-40ml of hexane(20-30 minutes for each pull).
With this process my yield is always at least 1,5% of beautiful white or off white spice. This is what i got from brazilian mimosa.

if you heat to 30-40 only, might be no problem. Thoughts?

Can`t say for sure because i didn`t measure temperature. But even if my solution was slightly warm i always ended up with yellowish spice.
ps Yes i was talking about that link with Earthwalker`s tek. There is lots of useful tips. :thumb_up:
pps There is nothing wrong with yellow spice. Just a matter of personal preferences. You should try by your self and go from there.

 

[some one]

Sounds good, your procedure. I will give it a go next time. Pretty much what I did now, just longer soaks and room temp pulls. Curious though, have you tried doing this with naptha? Which is what I'm using. Wonder if there is a difference compared to Hexane.

So you reckon that ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) can be used to clean up dmt from mhrb as well in the same fashion?

For now, I wish to try downwardsfromzero procedure for clean-up. Its all food safe ingredients and gets rid of any remaining naptha. Be glad to get some measurements for this so I don't make up something less efficient.

Cheers

 

[cyb]

Just smoke it...The Yellow stuff is the good stuff.


Also 70c....waaaay too hot.

 

[some one]

Yeah, lesson learned.. Better luck next time. Will retry with low temp pulls.

I could smoke, or drink, but for now, I'll try a clean up. If not just for practice and fun.

Cyb, now that you're here, I seperated 2x 50g in two bottles. Could have used 1 bottle for 100g with same ratio's without loss of yield, correct?

Cheers

 

[Earthwalker]

Yeah, lesson learned.. Better luck next time. Will retry with low temp pulls.

I could smoke, or drink, but for now, I'll try a clean up. If not just for practice and fun.

Cyb, now that you're here, I seperated 2x 50g in two bottles. Could have used 1 bottle for 100g with same ratio's without loss of yield, correct?

Cheers

Il chime in 100g in 1 bottle works fine I use 150g in a 2ltr bottle and I had even better results using 400g in a 4 ltr bottle using same ph 2.5 then roughly 220g salt then basify ,, pull with 125ml naps pulled 5.6 g which isn't to shabby

 

[some one]

Good to know. Will try 100g in one 1ltr bottle using same ratios as 50g.

ps. Would be great if someone could shed some light on ratios for cleaning 1g dmt with vinegar, sodium carbonate and ethanol. I want to give this food safe method a try, should be fun.

downwardsfromzero wrote:

I'd re-acidify (white vinegar or citric acid will do), evaporate, base with sodium carbonate dry and pull with ethanol, acetone or isopropanol then evaporate to collect goods. This helps one avoid residual naphtha. It's all really quite simple.

My questions:

I'll redissolve 1g of contaminated dmt in naptha first. Will 50ml naptha do? Room temp? How much ml acidified water for 1g dmt? pH 3? Room temp? Is one shake and 10 min settle to separate enough? Then discard naptha and evap acid solution. To basify, 1:1 Ha2CO3 : DMT? I have gain alcohol (food grade), which is 96% proof. Will that do or is the 4% water a problem? Ones again, how much ml ethanol should I use? When pulling with ethanol, will there be a residue to be separated at the bottom? Or is everything left at this point dmt only?

Or simply, how much ml naptha, ml acidified solution, mg soda, ml ethanol? 96% proof ok?

 

[Earthwalker]

Good to know. Will try 100g in one 1ltr bottle using same ratios as 50g.

ps. Would be great if someone could shed some light on ratios for cleaning 1g dmt with vinegar, sodium carbonate and ethanol

Just try this ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[downwardsfromzero]

some one: re: your cleanup questions: my suggestion was a response to your concern about your possible naphtha occlusion. So don't redissolve in naphtha! The acid/base part of what I suggested is merely an extra stage to allow occluded naphtha to escape. This could be achieved simply by dissolving the product in a relatively benign solvent (like the ones I suggested - assuming you can get hold of such at a decent purity, or purify some yourself) then allowing the solvent to evaporate.

Either way, this will allow any trapped naphtha to escape. You might be really lucky, and just have got very high yielding bark so don't go dissolving all of your product just yet. This can lead to further oxidation, although that in itself is not necessarily a problem!

It's also a question of how much of a tinkerer you might be versus how concerned you are with getting any particular grade of product. Some say the journey is more important than the destination.

So: no naphtha at all! You could just do the calculations to work out the minimum amount of acid needed, or add a small excess. Then add sodium carbonate until the fizzing stops, plus a bit extra for good luck. Or do the calculations (again! - or even all in one go) and add that much. Then a couple or three rinses with the benign solvent after drying, to make sure you get all the goodies out of the salt/base goo.

Another approach could be simply to melt the DMT once or twice.

 

[1ce]

You could clean up your np solvent with a pinch of activated carbon, and filter it.

 

[some one]

1ce, I read activated carbon sometimes takes out actives.

downwardsfromzero: Thanks for clearing this up. Will try next time.

Earthwalker: this worked, thanks.