First Journey, would love some feedback

[Japansage]

My method was 70mg of DMT in a dry bong sandwiched between ash, and indirect flame applied.

Go in for the 3rd bong hit which i managed to take, nearly coughed the last one but managed to hold it in for as long as i could – reckon this time it was shorter than I wanted tho (maybe 7seconds) as i was getting the urge to close my eyes. The sitter must have taken the bong back and sat down on the couch to roll a joint for himself as i sat cross legged on the floor - and as soon as i closed my eyes intense psychedelic shapes and patterns started appearing, i remember exhaling that last hit – i think the onset of the shapes made me exhale sooner than i wanted.

Pretty much immediately the shapes intensified to the point where i thought i was traveling forward, fast. I heard a noise in my ears, like they were popping at altitude and it stretched on for a while as i was being uplifted through this space.

The next few things happened really fast:I stopped moving forward, and was aware of a great expanse. The colour pink was everywhere, and there was a huge black ball swirling in the centre of the space. The very second I laid eyes on the black ball I started to forget I was a person. I went through all these strong feeling of not being human, I remember almost Jovially saying(/thinking) my full name one last time because I knew I was letting it go, I was nothing. I then went through a series of feeling and emotions about not being me, or being dead even. I knew I wasnt dead, but I was very accepting of this new state of nothing. Again like i said all this happened really fast, It seems longer now that Im writing about it but at the time It was just like a full speed train of thoughts/emotions & feelings.

I then was aware of a noise, a rustling, it made me open my eyes (which i now think was a mistake) and that sort of sucked me out of whatever I was in, it aborted the deep lock I had on the initial vision, and I think by seeing my own living room it grounded me very momentarily back in reality almost, because when I closed my eyes again I connected with the fact that it was me, so I had lost that initial feeling of not being a person.

I was now away from the first vision and In a second space, still seeing intense psychedelic patterns moving rapidly but was also really strongly aware of the disembodied sensation of my hands resting on my legs, and a bead of sweat on my brow, a slightly runny nose – all these sensations/movements were being magnified into the psychedelic world. (im also pretty sure i was drooling slightly)

In The space I was in (a hall? a room?) I was looking at something, and I really couldn’t work out what it was. It could have been a structure (i also said to the sitter immediately after the trip that it could have been a whale so who knows) – Its just so hard to define an object when its made out of spinning shapes and moving fractals, and its in front of a background which is also made up of spinning shapes and moving fractals...Resting on a floor which is also made up of spinning shapes & moving fractals.

So i was studying it, trying to define an edge, and it was being made so hard in the fact that wherever my gaze focused on, the fractals on that part would intensify and zoom, warping things – when i tried to look at another part, the same thing would happen, everything would kaleidoscope around my focus point making it impossible to discern what was in front of me.

Soon another noise in my living room made me open my eyes again, and I could feel it wearing off. I kept my eyes open this time, and i was still getting visuals and the room/carpet was wavy and moving in ripples. I tried to explain what had just happened to me to the sitter but I couldnt really articulate any of it properly. I just remember talking about not being human. Then within minutes I was completely back to normal.

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Im not totally sure that I achieved a full breakthrough. I mean I saw/felt some pretty wild stuff,and I do now know and remember what It’s like not to be a human, or have a body, and that in itself is a wild sentence – so something did come out of it. But ive read online that if you take a proper breakthrough dose, you wont be able to tell if your eyes are open or closed – as hyperspace will appear the same no matter what, and I was very aware of my eyes being open or closed on my trip so does that mean that I didn’t breakthrough? Something definitely wasn’t right If i got pulled out of it so easily by a noise in the room. I think not holding that very last toke in for way over 10seconds was my problem possibly? Either that or my inhalation method still isnt down, because with using 70mg you would think I wouldnt have to question whether I had a breakthrough or not.

Some people talk of listening to music whilst taking DMT but I cant imagine it – silence seems necessary to me.

 

[Divinematrix]

hey pretty good trip report!

with 70 mg u should of broken through but with you saying u can tell about your eyes then I'm pretty sure it was a breakthrough...

and from my experience of a breakthrough I felt like I was at this place first and I didn't see any crazy shapes or anything at first. It felt like a waiting room or something and I saw these aliens with wings flying around me it was CRAZY..

your trip sounds like a familiar trip ive had with the spinning shapes, but I remember seeing a spinning basketball and it had theses diamond like white lights shinning everywhere and also like a image of reality was spinning all around it...

It my breakthrough I distinctly remember seeing these creatures or aliens with wings and also these holographic beings made of metallic liquid its NUTS but AMAZING!!

For me from my experience I found that I have less mash up type trips if I used parsley and not weed. I'm not sure if you used ash from weed. Also I have a much clearer experience without ever smoking weed for the day. I always have crazy weird trips when mixed with weed.

thanks for your report!

If I had to guess I would say you had a level 3 or 3.5 out of 5 ? maybe other more experience can chime in

 

[anrchy]

Thanks for sharing. As far as breakthroughs go I wouldn't worry too much about it personally. You should perfect your vaping technique before trying to go for broke. It doesn't really sound like you broke through but no one can give you that answer. You will just know.

Loading 70mg is IMO irresponsible behavior. You shouldn't be making up for bad technique by adding more DMT. If your not aware of dosage sizes and/or need some assistance please refer to my vaping guide in my sig below. I'm glad you didn't inhale all that in one hit as that can be fairly terrifying for novices.

Going for one hit is the best way, and I would suggest laying down comfortably next time.

 

[Japansage]

Thanks for sharing. As far as breakthroughs go I wouldn't worry too much about it personally. You should perfect your vaping technique before trying to go for broke. It doesn't really sound like you broke through but no one can give you that answer. You will just know.

Loading 70mg is IMO irresponsible behavior. You shouldn't be making up for bad technique by adding more DMT. If your not aware of dosage sizes and/or need some assistance please refer to my vaping guide in my sig below. I'm glad you didn't inhale all that in one hit as that can be fairly terrifying for novices.

Going for one hit is the best way, and I would suggest laying down comfortably next time.

Ok, points taken on board. I was deliberately over-dosing because I knew in advance my technique would be poor and i'd prob only manage to pull 50-75% of whatever my dose was into me.

So because im using a water bong, would you advise letting that milk up, so that I just take one blast out of it rather than attempting 3 bong hits?

 

[Shanghigher]

Yo Japansage,

Sounds awesome! Sounds similar to my first attempt (which was solo), which wasn't a complete breakthrough, but seemed like it came close.

The second time, I did three friends before I did myself, one of whom had a breakthrough. We all took turns, and chose a track to listen to whilst under. They all went with trip hop, or something relaxing, or the Blade Runner soundtrack (I know). I went with Jimi Hendrix - Voodoo Child myself, and for the first part of that track, I was the actual music of Jimi Hendrix. It was something else. Afterwards, I was still tripping, but conscious enough to communicate. I could still see the music in front of my eyes. It was gorgeous.

Both times, I used a waterfall bong (described in my post on this thread Hi from England. - Introduction Essay - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus) which allowed me to one shot the dose. I haven't attempted the multiple pull approach just yet, so can't compare, but chugging it back in one definitely seems to do the job!

 

[Japansage]

Both times, I used a waterfall bong (described in my post on this thread Hi from England. - Introduction Essay - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus) which allowed me to one shot the dose. I haven't attempted the multiple pull approach just yet, so can't compare, but chugging it back in one definitely seems to do the job!

hey man, never really used waterfalls before but its pretty much the opposite of a bucket right? (or what americans call gravity bongs?)

Few questions, you using a normal lighter or turboflame?

And the small hole, when you release it, you say "release the small hole and let the water out slowly until you see the smoke coming through" - the smoke comes through the small hole? I dont get this bit at all...

I like the idea of the one-shot anyway. Ive read online about another bottle technique with foil that seems to be advised against on this forum, but reccomended on others. Again the one shot appeals.

 

[anrchy]

Thanks for sharing. As far as breakthroughs go I wouldn't worry too much about it personally. You should perfect your vaping technique before trying to go for broke. It doesn't really sound like you broke through but no one can give you that answer. You will just know.

Loading 70mg is IMO irresponsible behavior. You shouldn't be making up for bad technique by adding more DMT. If your not aware of dosage sizes and/or need some assistance please refer to my vaping guide in my sig below. I'm glad you didn't inhale all that in one hit as that can be fairly terrifying for novices.

Going for one hit is the best way, and I would suggest laying down comfortably next time.

Ok, points taken on board. I was deliberately over-dosing because I knew in advance my technique would be poor and i'd prob only manage to pull 50-75% of whatever my dose was into me.

So because im using a water bong, would you advise letting that milk up, so that I just take one blast out of it rather than attempting 3 bong hits?

With a water bong, if done properly you should have no problem getting your dose all in one hit. Start low, and work your way up. This way you know if it is increasing or not. If 15 and 25 do the same thing your not getting it all. If 10 doesnt do anything your not vaping it correctly.

The sandwhich method can work really well but IMO it has too many downsides to truly be efficient.

 

[DreaMTripper]

I found the one hit bong method the best as firstly it hits before you have a chance to have second thoughts and second the plateaux feels more euphoric.
Attached is a crude waterfall..water being let out the bottom is sucking the air in through the top and sucking the vapour in with it. Its fiddly if you only have a few big doses yet you could waste half trying to.master it.
Sounds like a great first ride the complex spacial and geometric show is truly mindblowing isnt it.

 

[Japansage]

My main problem with the experimentation of small dosing etc, is just that what I curently have is a finite source. So i don't really want to waste any of it by getting under-dosed and not breaking through. Thanks for all the advice tho, im currently doing Sandwich with ASH but somebody else advised me to buy some mullein and make some enhanced leaf so im going to try that in my bong next.

 

[Shanghigher]

Both times, I used a waterfall bong (described in my post on this thread Hi from England. - Introduction Essay - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus) which allowed me to one shot the dose. I haven't attempted the multiple pull approach just yet, so can't compare, but chugging it back in one definitely seems to do the job!

hey man, never really used waterfalls before but its pretty much the opposite of a bucket right? (or what americans call gravity bongs?)

Few questions, you using a normal lighter or turboflame?

And the small hole, when you release it, you say "release the small hole and let the water out slowly until you see the smoke coming through" - the smoke comes through the small hole? I dont get this bit at all...

I like the idea of the one-shot anyway. Ive read online about another bottle technique with foil that seems to be advised against on this forum, but reccomended on others. Again the one shot appeals.

Hey JS,

Yeah, it's the same principal as a bucket bong. Except, in a bucket bong, the water itself is still, and you move the bottle. With a waterfall, the water moves and falls out the bottle.

The smoke comes through from the top, as it would in a bucket. You use the small hole at the bottom to control the flow of water, which draws the smoke in as the water flows out, as you want to heat up the DMT slightly before opening up the flow of water to draw the smoke through.

(Oh, and I use a clipper lighter)

Here's a paint job to explain:

 

[3rdI]

that looks like a good way to get a lung full of plasstic

I wouldnt want to be heating metal that sits on plastic, just buy a decent device, a small glass bong is pretty cheap, your health isnt.

 

[Shanghigher]

Ha! I've been using this method (without the top layer of foil and gauze) to smoke weed successfully for years without any plastic added to the mix.

That said, buying a decent glass device for DMT is in my not too distant future.

 

[Japansage]

Alright cheers for the paint job! I pretty much get it. Dunno why you need 2 rush holes tho? but yeah cheers.

 

[Shanghigher]

Ahh, that's to do with the melting point. I use the small hole to let only a small amount of water out until I can see that it's smoking up, and then slightly release the main rush to accelerate it once we're cooking.

The big rush also makes it easier to clear once the smoke comes through! First time I tried this, I did it with one hole on a 500ml bottle, and ended up getting no smoke. Afterwards, I made a second hole, and did what I thought was a dry run with no DMT (I thought I'd evaporated it all) in to try out the technique, only to discover that I had melted all the DMT into the gauze and got a bottle full of smoke, lol.

 

[Shanghigher]

I should also point out that I haven't seen this technique anywhere else. I basically read that you can either heat the spice up with hot air or a hot surface, with hot air preferable. With only vaping pens and a credit card weed pipe at hand, I figured I'd need to be creative in order to do it. Then I thought about modifying the waterfall so the flame can't touch the spice and instead creates hot air, and I came out with this. If you do use it and think of any improvements, let me know!

 

[Japansage]

Cool, I attempted my second journey on sunday there and it was a failure. Same technique as originally but we used a torch lighter this time instead of clipper, and i dunno - something went wrong, either we burnt the spice, or i just couldnt nail the technique properly of inhalation over 3 bong tokes. (which is strange as i managed it the week before fine) - so hence why im looking at alternatives..

Trying to travel again tonight, so if the bong doesnt work again im building a waterfall/bucket, lol.

Gonna put water in the bong now too since it seems the whole 'dmt is soluble in water' thing is a myth.

 

[3rdI]

you may have been doing it for years and may not think its harming you, ive been smoking tabacco in my joints for years and im fine but that dosnt mean the tabacco isnt killing me slowly.

I dont think its a good idea to recomend scetchy ROA to others when there are many better ways to get the job done, but if you wanna take the risk i guess thats up to you.

 

[Shanghigher]

Like I said, 3rdI, this is a improvised technique I developed without better quality materials about :thumb_up:

There's very little chance of plastic being an issue here. As mentioned, I've used a similar technique for ages without melting the plastic, and there's even less chance of doing so here as there's less heat involved and pretty hard to get plastic fumes into the mix when the whole thing is coated in foil, so even if it did melt, it'd be melting into the foil wrapped around it, and not into the smoke. All in all, this is one of the smoothest ways I've ever discovered to smoke weed, and it works pretty decently with DMT too.

Besides which, it is around a litre of smoke consumed on a very infrequent basis with very little chance for any plastic getting into it. In all the time I've been using it, not once did I hit it and notice anything plastic-like about the smoke (although it must be said, DMT smoke seems pretty plastic tasting to me, so granted, I wouldn't be able to tell with DMT )

I'm pretty conscious myself about smoke and what's going into my lungs, hence why I don't use tobacco.

The man is right though, JS. I think a decent pipe/bong is probably the best call in the long run. I plan to invest myself, if not for the potential plastic issue, then because my girlfriend will start to question why I'm leaving all these bottles with burned out holes in the side all over the flat :d

 

[Japansage]

Haha! yeah its cool i have a glass bong i bought specifically for DMT. Will let you know if tonights journey is a success or not.

 

[3rdI]

sorry mate, I didnt mean to sound preachy, I just want my fellow reality dissolver to be as safe as possible.

(although it must be said, DMT smoke seems pretty plastic tasting to me, so granted, I wouldn't be able to tell with DMT )

This may show why you want a decent method, my DMT doesnt taste plasticky at all. im not saying the plastic taste is from the bottle but it may be from overheating your magic.

good luck Japansage, dont forget, puff tuff:thumb_up: