first phalaris go

[trylo]

so, inspired by the work on phalaris here, next day i rushed it and bought a wheatgrass juicer and picked some dry, unjuicable phalaris ardundinacea along the way.

so, a fast and dirty splash and splice attempt - chopped, crushed, cut-sliced and half pulverized a large quantity of grass, push fitted the pile of green hay into a 5lit jar, soaked it all in carbonate saturated solution, then added some NaOH(aq), with the idea of lye eating easier through the plant matrix..

left it sitting for a day. then opened the bottle of lighter fluid i bought that claimed to be a mixture of petroleum distillates. didn't smell like the reagent grade petroleum ether i am used to, but poured some there on top, shaked, heated for a bit, shaked again, left sit..
NP layer is transparent, no colouration whatsoever. i can't remember, but i think, surely it must have picked up some pigments or whatever junk to leave a tint at least..?

evaping some at the window.. perhaps should rise the pH even further for the goodies to pop up in the (suspect) naptha layer?

 

[endlessness]

Extracting from wild phalaris, as opposed to clones from known good strains such as AQ1 or Big Medicine, is a bit of a russian roulette.. You might get some DMT, or you might get other alkaloids, or nothing at all. Lets hope you get something good.

I think adding more lye is never a bad thing in this case, do try it out. But NP being transparent does not mean anything, DMT itself (and a lot of other alkaloids) are transparent, so colored solvent usually means plant impurities.A pull with a lot of impurities can have a lot of DMT too, which is why some people equate colored solvent with DMT, though that isnt necessarily the case.

Anyways just see what you have left, recrystallize in petroleum ether (because gramine is very poorly soluble in it), and bioassay very carefully starting with low doses if you do. You can also get some reagent like marquis or ehrlich to help out determining what it is (though its always a bit more complicated if its a mixture of compounds).

Be sure to let us know the results, and good luck!

 

[trylo]

Extracting from wild phalaris, as opposed to clones from known good strains such as AQ1 or Big Medicine, is a bit of a russian roulette.. You might get some DMT, or you might get other alkaloids, or nothing at all. Lets hope you get something good.

I think adding more lye is never a bad thing in this case, do try it out. But NP being transparent does not mean anything, DMT itself (and a lot of other alkaloids) are transparent, so colored solvent usually means plant impurities.A pull with a lot of impurities can have a lot of DMT too, which is why some people equate colored solvent with DMT, though that isnt necessarily the case.

Anyways just see what you have left, recrystallize in petroleum ether (because gramine is very poorly soluble in it), and bioassay very carefully starting with low doses if you do. You can also get some reagent like marquis or ehrlich to help out determining what it is (though its always a bit more complicated if its a mixture of compounds).

Be sure to let us know the results, and good luck!

by the way, not sure about the policies about this around here, but..
if anybody could recommend me a good/tested vendor for brachys and/or AQ1 seeds, would really appreciate it.

what is their growth cycle if you plant some indoors?
never been much of a horticulturalist.

still have the few 5lit jars full of phalaris leaves soaking in caustic NaOH solution.
picking some here and there from different places as i see it..

far as the transparent solvent, i thought it out to be colored because of the load of other stuff that gets pulled with it? plant fats for sure, no?

need to acquire some fumaric acid too..

 

[endlessness]

Check out the first post on the phalaris analysis thread, I just edited to add a couple of threads discussion supplier

Yeah the other color stuff in solvent is fatty acids and other impurities and so on.

 

[lewinii]

good luck with your extraction buddy i know that the wild grasses may contain nothing, but if the stuff around me contained any, it would be well worth my time.. phalaris grows here all over the place and several kinds of it.