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tangler

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After a successful first pull with nomans tek (wow thats just pretty nifty how that works, isnt it :) lol), i decided to taste the beautiful white crystals and see if i could get any feeling of what may be ahead at higher doses. With no mg scale, i started small. Very small. And before im flamed, note that i have acquired mg scales since this experience and understand the importance.

I used some herbs to scrub up some residue and remaining crystals after drying everything out. I hit the standard L pipe three times while careful not to burn the spice (which there was very little of). My heart was slamming after i got the first hit in. Sadly though i felt nothing from the pipe. I did however, as i confirmed later on, tasted the spice for the first time. So i decided to abandon this method forever and switched to a pipe that i constructed strictly for spice.

I placed a slightly larger amount in the reservoir and covered with copper mesh. Carefully, i hit it and took one hit and held it in but once again noticed nothing unusual even though it tasted stronger. Upon investigation, the load seemed to show all signs of being vaporized successfully. I began to contemplate my next move when, coincidentally(?), my nerves calmed greatly, and my heart finally slowed. It felt as if this was an effect from the hit but i hadnt remembered reading about this kind of low dose effect in any of my research. Regardless, my confidence was boosted from being at ease suddenly. Possibly a low dose bliss effect?

I added about double what i had just vaporized and was feeling 100% better once i sat down again. Once again, the pipe appeared to have effectively vaporized the prior load so i used the same technique with the assumption that i was greatly overestimatibg the weight of the loads. This is of course preferable to the alternative. I wanted to err on the side of caution and thats what i did.

Now, as before, with low heat from a torch lighter i slowly puffed and drew in another hit. This time the taste was very bold. Not harsh in the least though which was a welcome surprise. I held it and let it out. Searching for something visual, i suddenly became aware of a strong body buzz that seemed to have come out of nowhere. My first thought was "yep that was mimosa" lol making reference to a prior thought i had about how easily a first timer could be ripped off from having no idea what this stuff looks like.

So i let this "wash over me" (very appropriate terminology) for a few seconds while still seeking some kind of visual effect. During this time, i also addressed another prior concern i had. I lost all previously held worry about "sleepwalking" or that my body would act afool while i would be away at higher doses. If its anything like this, i felt like my entire body was covered up by one of those lead blankets that they put on you at the dentist for xrays lol. It was a good feeling. I had zero desire to move.

At about this time, things started to subtly change. I noted some slight bubbling effect on the surface of the wall to my left. Thats not really a good metaphor but its close. Then the ceiling seemed to noticably bow in the center. My gaze shifted and two visible pieces of insulation in my garage ceiling began to move, one to the left and one to the right like the flow of traffic on a highway. When this stopped after a few minutes, the light visuals concluded and i was left with the heavy but very comfortable body buzz that lasted a few more minutes.

I sat up still feeling some left over fuzz and texted my wife (who was home but in another part of the house) that i was ok and would see her soon. I went upstairs and had just hit the top step when i realized that i felt like a million bucks! I was clear minded, very much awake, enjoyed sharing the report with my wife, and ready to get on here so i could tell you! :) This feeling was easily the highlight of the experience. I went outside and took in the beautiful vibrant colors of the changing leaves.

So from todays experience, i have learned that the L pipe is no good and that my created pipe works well. Im ready to start planning another load soon. The extraction was a bit of a trial by fire but i am very pleased about my first batch. Improvements will certainly be made.

I was really expecting a color fluctuation in my vision but it never happened. I have no idea but i feel that i must have been in the extremely low mgs on my guesstimated loads. Maybe down below 5mg. I cant readily recall a trip report not including color in some way but i didnt notice any at this low of a dose. They will be measured from here on out.

Also, since i know that i left the door open for it id like to courteously ask that no one use my thread to plug the VG or its counterpart. Its very annoying when reading through hundreds of threads of questions and answers about smoking spice and every one of them has someone plugging this device. EVEN WHEN THE QUESTION IS ABOUT ANOTHER METHOD! Im also adding this to my signature as i really dislike it. Most of the people i refer to are those that say things like "gvg is the best" or "only" way to smoke. Its not. Plain and simple. Several other methods can produce as good or better results. Period. These kind of plugs and the way that vg users talk about it almost gives me the feeling some of them feel like they are part of a higher class than those that dont. I understand that its effective and like your enthusiasm, however a risky international order of a grossly overpriced pipe that people still report problems with doesnt interest me.

Im not trying to come off as course in any way but those that dont use a vg shouldnt feel inferior to those that do. And if you read the "Active Topics" tab one time, your going to read something about it somewhere so most dont need the reminder that they would be cooler if they had a special pipe lol. There is just no place for this feeling here. I love the Nexus and want to feel accepted here as well as make others feel that way. I would take a post like "ever hear of a gvg?" in response to my aforementioned report as an insult to my intelligence and all of the research ive done over the last several months.

SORRY! Had to get that off my chest.....WHEW! I feel better lol.

So id love to hear your take on this otherwise. It was cool and i now see the spirit molecule in a bit better/different/more accurate light. Forget not that i have zero hallucinogen experience so extreme caution is coming very naturally to me in regard to extraction/load size.

Peace and love
-tang
 
Welcome, thank you i enjoyed the read, its always great to start with low doses, like you did to try to get a feel for it, you said that your nerves calmed down after the first small hit, this is good id say, you got past the anxious part of wondering, now you will soon be ready to take deep journeys.

Now for your setting were you in a lit room, or a dark room, was there noise or was it silent, these factors can change and make the trip very individual from each other.
I have even tried a dark room with lit candle, and i felt that method for me lit all the visuals up.
But i am sure you will find your method soon enough.

I really enjoyed the part where you explained how you walked to the top of the stairs and felt like a million bucks, I know this feeling for sure, it could be late and you are tired and once you spice, you are just filled with energy, and just pure happiness IMO.

Well that is all, i wish you luck in your future voyages, please be safe and use responsibly. :)
 
DoctorMantus said:
Now for your setting were you in a lit room, or a dark room, was there noise or was it silent...

Ha! In my haste to get this post up i forgot to include the set and setting :shock:

As i said before, i was nervous. However my mind was in a healthy state and i wasnt overly stressed over anything today. I was a bit fearful when putting the pipe to my mouth the first time tho lol. You can really feel your heart slam when your lungs are pressing against it because they are full of the strongest hallucinogen in the world lol.

As for setting, i was in my attached garage which may seem uncomfortable but it has been reformed into my personal area with furniture and such. So i spend a good bit of time in this room. I even sleep on the couch down there when mrs. tangler is less than pleased :). No lights were on so i only had the natural light from the windows of my garage door which did little to illuminate the room. It was cool, quiet, and comfortable to me. All was quiet in the house and the only sound was a faint hum of the occasional passing motorist. I dont recall hearing anything though. The time was roughly 2pm.

And yes the bliss was the highlight :)
 
It's good to hear your first experience was a positive one! Continue to respect yourself and your comfortable limits as you become familiar with the experience, and it will be all the more rewarding when and if you finally do break through.

I've got to agree with you about the GVG. It sure is a finely made pipe, and it's great to hear that many people love it... but it's almost as if it's a religion! Any time somebody has the slightest trouble breaking through, somebody is bound to say "WTF n00b, buy the $100 vapor pipe or GTFO". :lol: Not to say it's a bad idea, but $3 worth of glass tubing and copper mesh will take you just as far (and is easier to use, IMO). Every time I see GVG plug in a thread about IV administration or some such, I just want to tell the hooligan to stop bringing their toys to class and cooperate!
 
Yes. Its like a religion. I thought the same thing but restrained myself from making that analogy in the midst of my rant. Im glad someone else sees this. But at least were going to hyperspace with an extra hundred bucks lol. Sorry i wont be joining the vg cult anytime soon.
 
tangler said:
DoctorMantus said:
Now for your setting were you in a lit room, or a dark room, was there noise or was it silent...

Ha! In my haste to get this post up i forgot to include the set and setting :shock:

As i said before, i was nervous. However my mind was in a healthy state and i wasnt overly stressed over anything today. I was a bit fearful when putting the pipe to my mouth the first time tho lol. You can really feel your heart slam when your lungs are pressing against it because they are full of the strongest hallucinogen in the world lol.

As for setting, i was in my attached garage which may seem uncomfortable but it has been reformed into my personal area with furniture and such. So i spend a good bit of time in this room. I even sleep on the couch down there when mrs. tangler is less than pleased :). No lights were on so i only had the natural light from the windows of my garage door which did little to illuminate the room. It was cool, quiet, and comfortable to me. All was quiet in the house and the only sound was a faint hum of the occasional passing motorist. I dont recall hearing anything though. The time was roughly 2pm.

And yes the bliss was the highlight :)

Well this is great it sounds like you got a set up already and a quit environment is always the best. Its definitely best to go in when fully comfortable, i know what you mean when you talk about putting the pipe to your mouth, your heart does tend to speed up a little, because once that device is in your mouth its commitment to take it in, and always be ready for whatever.

So it sounds like you have a great set and setting, don't be afraid to try other methods you might find one you like more.

Oh and Jwing has the Mrs been introduced?
 
Tangler - I enjoyed reading your report, but I must admit I am a little put off a bit by your animosity. You go out of your way to underline that it is your first time trying spice, and that you have NO experience with hallucinogens whatsoever, then launch into a diatribe about people expressing their preference for the GVG, which in my experience has been done in nothing but a helpful way on this site - and you go so far as to put it in your signature? Please point out to me, and more importantly to the mods, any offensive or overbearing recommendations and I am sure it will be dealt with accordingly, if they are indeed as disrespectful as you say. I must say i have NEVER seen a disrespectful post pushing a GVG beyond the level of friendly advice.

I would take a post like "ever hear of a gvg?" in response to my aforementioned report as an insult to my intelligence and all of the research ive done over the last several months.

You have been responded to in this manner? If not, what leads you to believe that is the norm on the nexus, to the extent that you would expect such a reply? And if you have, that is truly unfortunate... Can you link me to the post? Just a note though - no one here has any way of knowing what research you have or have not done, and if you are taking friendly advice as an "insult", maybe it is your reaction to the advice that is in need of examining?

and @ Simon Jester:

somebody is bound to say "WTF n00b, buy the $100 vapor pipe or GTFO.

REALLY? Can you link me to just one, please?

It seems to me that you both have chips on your shoulders, and I find that a shame because I have otherwise enjoyed both of your posts. The GVG is only a tool, and people are generally very helpful here with their advice. Perhaps the only problem here is your reactions to others' helpful posts, to the extent that you feel it warrants a warning in your signature, and some invented phrases attributed to unnamed members and unreferenced posts? (excuse me if they are not, and please, again, send me the links).

I have recently acquired a GVG, and am frankly grateful that i read so much about it here and was recommended it by so many I trust and respect. It is, again, a tool among many, but beats what i was doing before hands down, and for this I owe thanks to the good souls here. I am sorry you cannot see it in this light and instead choose anger and resentment as your reactions.

JBArk
 
The GVG is a very good tool for what it does.

It isn’t a status symbol. No one asks you to show your GVG purchase receipt prior to admission to the Nexus.

Properly vaporizing DMT can be very tricky, especially for those among us, such as myself, who were previously unfamiliar with substances in freebase form. I’ve tried many different methods using many different devices, and the GVG outperforms all of them. It’s a good tool that allows me to consistently get a full dose in a single non-irritating inhalation. No other device I tried could do that.


If I saw someone hammering a nail with a rock, I’d helpfully suggest he use a hammer.
 
Gibran - i am not trying to be course. Im not experienced with hallucinogens. But i am an experienced poster to several forums and its very easy for a clique to emerge. If its a fishing forum its all about a certain reel, if its a gardening forum its a certain soil or something. And the device may be great. But its easy for cliques to form on these forums. I just dont want to see it on here. Just an opinion. Im not pressing it on anyone.

Jbark im not referring to constructive criticism. Im referring to those that imply that they are better than others by telling them they are doing it wrong. And that they need a vg to do it right.
 
gibran2 said:
The GVG is a very good tool for what it does.

It isn’t a status symbol. No one asks you to show your GVG purchase receipt prior to admission to the Nexus.

If I saw someone hammering a nail with a rock, I’d helpfully suggest he use a hammer.


^^This.

Theres alot of cumulative experience here and the power to deliver by the GVG is repeatedly validated by those who purchase one.But its not the only method, but for consistency Ive not come across a better one.

IMO, the tek used to extract has a bearing on the range of methods one may use to vaporise.For example, I have had one of my strongest breakthroughs chasing it off foil using the product of Vovins tek.This is a useless method for BLAB-derived spice and the beauty of the GVG, IME, is that it welcomes spice from any method of extraction.

Still, each to their own.:)
 
jbark said:
somebody is bound to say "WTF n00b, buy the $100 vapor pipe or GTFO.

REALLY? Can you link me to just one, please?

JBArk
Hyperbole, brother.

I just find it rather silly that the purchase of a GVG is recommended in cases where it simply isn't needed. Such as somebody asking about how to "let go" or somebody asking about IV admin, or help building a machine... I've even see many suggest that the user buy a GVG when the obvious solution was just to use less heat or smoke more.

I've seen experienced members mention that they don't use the GVG in chat, and others are truly astounded! *gasp - You're GVG-less?*
 
corpus callosum said:
gibran2 said:
The GVG is a very good tool for what it does.

It isn’t a status symbol. No one asks you to show your GVG purchase receipt prior to admission to the Nexus.

If I saw someone hammering a nail with a rock, I’d helpfully suggest he use a hammer.


^^This.

Theres alot of cumulative experience here and the power to deliver by the GVG is repeatedly validated by those who purchase one.But its not the only method, but for consistency Ive not come across a better one.

IMO, the tek used to extract has a bearing on the range of methods one may use to vaporise.For example, I have had one of my strongest breakthroughs chasing it off foil using the product of Vovins tek.This is a useless method for BLAB-derived spice and the beauty of the GVG, IME, is that it welcomes spice from any method of extraction.

Still, each to their own.:)

This is a useful post. I have no problem with informative posts that include personal preference.
 
tangler said:
Jbark im not referring to constructive criticism. Im referring to those that imply that they are better than others by telling them they are doing it wrong. And that they need a vg to do it right.

Who? When? And why does it make you so irate?

Simon Jester: Hyperbole, or ridicule, or both? I suspected, despite the quotes, that you weren't quoting anyone, but don't you think that's a little unfair and needlessly antagonistic? You criticize others' zeal with a zeal that outdoes the accusation of zeal itself!

Anyway, I am just pointing these things out because there IS no GVG religion, I have seen nothing but helpful and fairly neutral comments on this site and you two seem to be sharing an inside joke at the expense of other unnamed members... Just seems a little childish, to be honest, under the circumstances...

JBArk
 
tangler said:
Gibran - i am not trying to be course. Im not experienced with hallucinogens. But i am an experienced poster to several forums and its very easy for a clique to emerge. If its a fishing forum its all about a certain reel, if its a gardening forum its a certain soil or something. And the device may be great. But its easy for cliques to form on these forums. I just dont want to see it on here. Just an opinion. Im not pressing it on anyone.

Jbark im not referring to constructive criticism. Im referring to those that imply that they are better than others by telling them they are doing it wrong. And that they need a vg to do it right.
You may be an experienced poster on fishing and gardening forums, but the DMT-Nexus is not your usual forum.

There is a clique that has emerged here on the Nexus: It is composed of members who treat DMT responsibly and with respect. Our clique treats other members, even those who choose not to be a part of our clique, with love, compassion, and respect. Our members try to provide rational, helpful information to others, so that others might learn from our hard-earned experience. Fortunately, our clique consists of most Nexus members.

Care to join?
 
Jbark and gibran- heres one of the threads that u wanted. The topic is about the crack pipe method. While artvandlay doesnt say "gtfo," he responds to the question with things like "throw it away and get a gvg" and "get with the goddamn program." This doesnt follow the open and accepting attitude standard of the forum. This prob made the poster feel like he needed a certain pipe to fit in. See for yourself. This us what im referring to. Not constructive criticism.


I hope you now see what im talking about. Ive spoke with Traveller and he feels the same against product plugging without any useful information. If you have anything further, or need more references, please dont hesitate to message me.
 
Yes, Art can be curt and occasionally abrasive, but we love him for it.:) I see what you mean, but this is not the norm, and Art was actually, and genuinely, responding to the question. Furthermore, did you read the rest of the thread? With humour, I challenge Art, and when others chime in, he explains his stance.

Gibran2 hit the nail on the head - you CAN drive a nail with a rock, and maybe even with one swift hit. But there ARE hammers, and some people are a little more vehement in their advocacy of them. However, approached with a sense of humour (and even without), there was nothing I found offensive in that post and subsequent ones, and certainly nothing overall to warrant a rant and accusations of "clique-ism", cult adherence and religious fervour...

Do you not find your rant and sig a slight over-reaction? And largely misplaced? And displaying of an antagonism that will only serve to alienate you from the community and make people a little less inclined to help and advise you if and when you need it? I just don't get it... is it really THAT bad? And if it is, why are you here? In your very first posts you criticize and generalize about a very caring and helpful community and eschew and ridicule potentially helpful advice - AND YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE...??!!??

Would you go on gardening forum, after planting your first seed, and tell everyone (ridiculing them to boot) to stop singing the virtues of a certain seeder?!? Or join a fishing forum and mock their promoting of a preferential brand of rod AFTER CATCHING ONLY ONE FISH?!!?

A little humility is never a bad thing. I have learned a lot here, and have been here a while and can attest that this is not a place worthy of mockery and one in which humility and a willingness to listen yields great rewards.

I am genuinely sorry you see it this way, and will keep my eyes open for what you are denouncing - but so far, I repeat, I really DON'T get it...

JBArk
 
At the risk of giving everyone a rash, I'll throw in my two cents.

There does seem to be a growing tendency toward homogenization of methods on this site (not that I haven't been complicit in this in the past, albeit typically backing less dominant methods) that is perhaps a bit dulling and sometimes misleading. It's surely with good intent that people will recommend what they consider to be surefire methods or simply the methods they have become most familiar with, and sometimes pioneering a new and reportedly surefire method can become a social event, solidifying a base of support and patronage that can appear like a club. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, as it gives rise to a vast (almost unnecessarily vast, however) body of info and network of support. On the flip-side, it can greatly stifle innovation and discourage potentially beneficial experimentation.

Specifically regarding the topic at hand: The GVG is thoroughly celebrated on this forum, and a substantial portion of the forum's membership will attest to this being rightly so. This may come off as cultish, given the general nature of its usage forming a strong bond between the tool and it's user (I know this feeling well) and the account of this bond being common among a group of users. The device may come off as a status symbol on the forum given the relative expense and level to which its users swear by it as being "hands down" the best way to vaporize. I certainly understand when it comes to recommending alternatives to methods of ill-repute, one needs to go with what one knows or feels to be reliable, but as community, I think we need to realize that not everyone can justify the investment, nor should they necessarily.

From an outside assessment, the GVG is not meant to be used in the way it's used here. They recommend against torches and scrubpad on the site, and though I certainly more than understand the tendency toward customization and workarounds (hacks), it seems rather roundabout, perhaps risky (i.e. cracking the filter with use of a torch), and certainly expensive. When it comes to leaf, it may seem the obvious choice on some levels, but many bear a preference against this, opting for pure product when it comes to this particular device. From what I can tell, vaporization is a little drawn out and drippage and condensation are common issues, but one wouldn't know it from how it's sometimes presented unless they dug around a great deal.

Regarding the OP's issue, I frankly can't understand laying down that sort of cash on a piece and not putting more effort into learning how to use it properly. I'd probably never purchase such a device, but if I had one, I'd surely use it and make damn sure I was using it properly, considering just how many resources are available on the matter.

The OP does touch on an important issue however, which I can relate to on many levels. How I would characterize the homogenization of the GVG on the Nexus relates to a phenomenon that I see in the worlds of music production and bicycles: When someone invests in something that they are quite pleased with, they will typically swear by it up and down and often decry more DIY equipment or methods that they would either never try because they've already invested in an alternative or haven't had adequate experience with to master or develop a fondness, opting for a more pre-packaged alternative. If you buy pro-tools, you probably won't discover the joys of using a four-track for any serious work, for example. If you buy a carbon frame bicycle, you're not likely to discover the value of a steel frame (truly the heart of bicycle culture) or explore the world of bicycle maintenance for yourself. These more down-to-earth, DIY, and less commercial approaches carry value and potential beyond what one may imagine having opted for a more pre-packaged alternative. It's certainly possible to straddle both worlds, but most shy away from devaluing their investments.

That being said, the questions I would raise about the GVG are:

Is the GVG necessarily the best or easiest way to achieve the desired result or did it just preclude the widespread adoption development of any potentially equal or better methods?

Is the GVG necessarily optimal for a pure freebase substance, or is the jerry-rigging of the device symptomatic of "overkill" in attempting to accomplish something that may be better or just as well accomplished on the cheap?



gibran2 said:
If I saw someone hammering a nail with a rock, I’d helpfully suggest he use a hammer.

I find this a bit presumptuous, frankly, characterizing the GVG as necessarily the right tool for the job. For example, a ball-peen hammer would do the job just fine, but a claw-hammer's more practical and likely more ready at hand. I contend that the GVG relates more to the former than the latter.
 
He he, I love how some one not wishing to talk about something has the knock on effect of it igniting a conversation on just that topic! The GVG is the easiest, smoothest, and nicest looking tool for the job IMHO, I have had mine for a couple of weeks and I pretty much use it exclusively over any of my other glass for both Weed and Spice. It is a great piece of kit, BUT not the only one that does the job, I got off for months using a bong with enhanced leaf / changa, and it worked well, but didn't pack nearly the punch that I have experienced with the GVG. Use what is best for you / your financial situation. I wouldn't be without my new gizmo though, it really is THE NUTS.

Any how, welcome to the forum, and I hope your future experiments result in you scraping your jaw off the floor ;)
 
amor_fati said:
That being said, the questions I would raise about the GVG are:

Is the GVG necessarily the best or easiest way to achieve the desired result or did it just preclude the widespread adoption development of any potentially equal or better methods?

Is the GVG necessarily optimal for a pure freebase substance, or is the jerry-rigging of the device symptomatic of "overkill" in attempting to accomplish something that may be better or just as well accomplished on the cheap?



gibran2 said:
If I saw someone hammering a nail with a rock, I’d helpfully suggest he use a hammer.

I find this a bit presumptuous, frankly, characterizing the GVG as necessarily the right tool for the job. For example, a ball-peen hammer would do the job just fine, but a claw-hammer's more practical and likely more ready at hand. I contend that the GVG relates more to the former than the latter.
Since this has become a GVG thread, I’ll address some of your points:

1. Prior to buying a GVG, I used a variety of different devices and methods. I spent about a year experimenting with other devices, and probably spent more on materials than a GVG costs. My first was a DIY test tube vaporizer. It was a large test tube with a two-hole stopper and a glass tube for inhaling in one of the stopper holes. This is the first device I used with DMT, and I abandoned it after 2 uses: the vapor it produced was so harsh as to be unsmokable. It also vaporized the DMT too slowly, burned it before it would vaporize, and much of the DMT would crawl up the sides of the tube away from the heat.

2. Device #2 was a glass mini-bong with a ball of copper mesh/ribbon in the bowl (a variation of the “machine”). It worked, but I had to be very careful with flame distance or the DMT would easily burn. And I quickly realized that much of every dose was migrating from the copper mesh to the glass – after only a few uses, large amounts of DMT would be dripping down the stem of the bowl.

3. Device #3 was the same glass mini-bong, but with a copper disc instead of a copper ball. To hold the disc in place, I made an elaborate wire “harness”. I figured that if less of the copper was in contact with the bowl, there would be less migration of liquid from copper to glass. Indeed there was. But now there was a new problem – the DMT on such a thin layer of copper was much more susceptible to burning. I even had a few sessions where I accidentally ignited it! (DMT burns fast and creates a ton of soot.) And I discovered that much of the liquid running down the stem was from condensation. In spite of the inconsistency of results with this setup, I used it for quite a while.

4. At some point, I tried the sandwich method, and the smoke produced was nearly as harsh as the test tube method.

5. At another point, I tried changa. But I don’t like changa – too much smoke and the caapi leaves always left me feeling nauseated. I prefer sublingual harmalas followed by vaped spice. (But I must say that changa is probably the best ROA after the GVG – not harsh, not easily burned, not much loss due to DMT “migration”.)

6. Device #4 was a prototype for a new idea: A bong-type device with a large diameter test tube (opened at both ends) instead of a bowl and stem. The first prototype used a 1-liter plastic water bottle, a test tube with a hole broken into its base, and epoxy to hold it all together. I still used the copper disc at the end of the tube, so I still had problems with burning, but by now my technique was good enough to minimize it. I liked this device enough to go from prototype to full glass device, which leads us to:

7. Device #5 was a round-bottomed flask and test tube. I had to buy diamond drill bits to make the hole in the flask and the test tube, plus a couple of flasks in case I broke one while drilling, etc. (Total cost approaching that of a GVG.) It looked nice and more or less solved the condensation problem, but it was a chore to change the copper disc, and it was still very easy to burn DMT.


There were other devices and other methods tried, which I won’t belabor, but the point is this: I tried a lot of different devices and techniques, and wasn’t getting the results I wanted. I wanted efficiency (I didn’t want half of every dose running down a tube), I wanted consistency (I wanted to have at least some assurance that a dose of a particular size will produce particular results – I didn’t want any surprise high-doses), I wanted unburned, untoasted spice that didn’t irritate my throat and lungs. I also wanted to be able to get a full dose in a single inhalation. None of the devices/methods I had tried gave me everything I wanted. So I finally broke down and bought a GVG. I was a reluctant buyer – I also thought it was too expensive, especially considering how much I had already spent with DIY stuff (diamond drill bits aren’t cheap!).

From my other trials, I knew that a copper disc holds liquid DMT very well, so I shaped a disc to fit the GVG. My first experiment was with10-15mg. I tried it, and I honestly thought I did something wrong: There was no taste, no irritation, nothing. I thought that maybe I wasn’t aggressive enough with the flame, but then I started feeling the expected effects, and from that moment I became a GVG convert.


Since buying the GVG, I’m still looking for something better. Search the forum for “ploom” and you’ll see that I’m still willing to experiment. I’ve mentioned “Health Stone Glass” devices in threads, and if they weren’t also expensive, I’d experiment with those too.

The GVG is a device. A tool. It isn’t an object of worship, or a status symbol, or a badge of membership in a club. With the addition of a copper disc in the bowl (hardly jerry rigging), it is a very efficient and reliable DMT vapor delivery device that, with proper technique (yes, it still requires some technique for good results) produces mild, non-irritating vapor.

The GVG also taught me how different rapid dose administration can be from gradual multiple-hit administration. When everything works out perfectly, a dose in the GVG can vaporize in a second or two. Inhaling a full dose in a second can produce qualitatively different experiences.

Finally, based on my experiences, here’s how I’d order the various smoking devices:

GVG > changa in a bong > the machine > herb sandwich in a bong > test tube or light bulb vaporizer > aluminum foil
 
I'm still not very familiar with this GVG device, can someone post a link where I could read more about it or where to purchase one?
 
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