First timer seeking support

[Aseel]

Hi all,
I am new to the forum, new to psychedelics, new to DMT and am about to make my first brew with MH and or AC (I have both) and Rue as that’s all that is available here.

I have read Adam butler’s Field Guide. I have read Rick Strassman’s The Spirit Molecule. To be honest I’ve read everything I could find on DMT over the last twelve years since realising it may be the only way to get the answers I’m seeking.
I meditate, use brain waves and am currently on wave 2 of the gateway tapes. Ive had some amazing and profound visions with weed and brain waves music combined but I know I need to go deeper.
All in all I think I’m as prepared as I can be but I’m still so stupidly nervous. Im nervous about not coming back if that makes sense.

So I’m seeking support before taking the plunge and just have some questions. I’ve found the answers to some of these before but still would love your thoughts. Especially if you were new to everything too.

Is 3g rue and say 2g MH or AC going to be a good general starting point?
For context, I’m female, 45, tall fit healthy and no meds. I do smoke chop chop though. Only very occasionally do weed and due to work haven’t done it now for maybe 18 months. I drink light Beer but will not have any for a good 24 hours beforehand. Is that enough time?

My partner will be my overseer and I’m trying to help him understand what to expect and when, if at all to start worrying. He has also never done psychedelics. Actually, maybe a shroom back in the day.

Time frames. I’m running with everyone else’s experiences here and expecting about half hour for onset, maybe an hour or so duration, does that sound about right?
At those doses can I expect to still be coherent generally? Or should he expect me to be out of it for a bit.
Thanks heaps guys.

 

[northape]

All in all I think I’m as prepared as I can be but I’m still so stupidly nervous. Im nervous about not coming back if that makes sense.

It's perfectly normal. Most people are nervous each time, even with enough experience.
We kind of die every night and wake up a new person.
What you are will always remain, everything else is fluff.

Is 3g rue and say 2g MH or AC going to be a good general starting point?
For context, I’m female, 45, tall fit healthy and no meds. I do smoke chop chop though. Only very occasionally do weed and due to work haven’t done it now for maybe 18 months. I drink light Beer but will not have any for a good 24 hours beforehand. Is that enough time?

Don't mix MH and AC. Learn to know each plant.
Ideally, you start with rue alone (like 3g) and get a feel for it. You can do so a few times.
Later introduce one of dmt containing plants in small amount (1-2g is a good intro dose).
This kind of medicine is not a quick fix, but a practice. You'll get better with it in time.
The same approach translates well to ayahuasca if you become interested later on.

Don't mix weed with it, things could go very wrong. Get some experience first.
Tobacco on the other hand is totally fine and can calm you down if things get overwhelming.
Try to use it intentionally, though. It's a medicine in itself.

A small fast beforehand is kind of a must. You want your digestive tract as free as possible.
Plan to have at least a day off after your session.

My partner will be my overseer and I’m trying to help him understand what to expect and when, if at all to start worrying. He has also never done psychedelics. Actually, maybe a shroom back in the day.

Oh my, he needs to be as prepared as you then. Maybe cook together, so he's a part of the process.
His role is to remain calm and hold space for you. Start slow. It's the best way for both of you, imo.

Time frames. I’m running with everyone else’s experiences here and expecting about half hour for onset, maybe an hour or so duration, does that sound about right?
At those doses can I expect to still be coherent generally? Or should he expect me to be out of it for a bit.

You usually drink rue and mimosa 20-30min apart.
DMT will hit depending on your metabolism. If you fasted beforehand, it could be as soon as 15min.
Otherwise, 45min for onset sounds about right. So it's already an hour and a half just to get in.
The whole experience typically lasts 6-8 hours with your doses (3g rue + 2g AC).

AC tends to be an easier experience with more joy compared to MH.
And please don't consume powders. Cook a tea from your plants.

 

[Aseel]

It's perfectly normal. Most people are nervous each time, even with enough experience.
We kind of die every night and wake up a new person.
What you are will always remain, everything else is fluff.



Don't mix MH and AC. Learn to know each plant.
Ideally, you start with rue alone (like 3g) and get a feel for it. You can do so a few times.
Later introduce one of dmt containing plants in small amount (1-2g is a good intro dose).
This kind of medicine is not a quick fix, but a practice. You'll get better with it in time.
The same approach translates well to ayahuasca if you become interested later on.

Don't mix weed with it, things could go very wrong. Get some experience first.
Tobacco on the other hand is totally fine and can calm you down if things get overwhelming.
Try to use it intentionally, though. It's a medicine in itself.

A small fast beforehand is kind of a must. You want your digestive tract as free as possible.
Plan to have at least a day off after your session.



Oh my, he needs to be as prepared as you then. Maybe cook together, so he's a part of the process.
His role is to remain calm and hold space for you. Start slow. It's the best way for both of you, imo.



You usually drink rue and mimosa 20-30min apart.
DMT will hit depending on your metabolism. If you fasted beforehand, it could be as soon as 15min.
Otherwise, 45min for onset sounds about right. So it's already an hour and a half just to get in.
The whole experience typically lasts 6-8 hours with your doses (3g rue + 2g AC).

AC tends to be an easier experience with more joy compared to MH.
And please don't consume powders. Cook a tea from your plants.

Thank you so much for all of this. Incredibly helpful and appreciated.

 

[northape]

Ask yourself: “What do I want from this work?”
If you are after altered states, consuming low doses of mushrooms could be an option.
Ayahuasca and analogs tend to be more of a long term projects.
Here is a nice little video about their differences:

maybe an hour or so duration, does that sound about right?

This was most likely about changa or smoking blend of harmalas & dmt

Try to make a ceremony out of your session: an altar with meaningful objects, burn incense.
Remove potential distractions. Have a bucket close by.

 

[Aseel]

It's perfectly normal. Most people are nervous each time, even with enough experience.
We kind of die every night and wake up a new person.
What you are will always remain, everything else is fluff.



Don't mix MH and AC. Learn to know each plant.
Ideally, you start with rue alone (like 3g) and get a feel for it. You can do so a few times.
Later introduce one of dmt containing plants in small amount (1-2g is a good intro dose).
This kind of medicine is not a quick fix, but a practice. You'll get better with it in time.
The same approach translates well to ayahuasca if you become interested later on.

Don't mix weed with it, things could go very wrong. Get some experience first.
Tobacco on the other hand is totally fine and can calm you down if things get overwhelming.
Try to use it intentionally, though. It's a medicine in itself.

A small fast beforehand is kind of a must. You want your digestive tract as free as possible.
Plan to have at least a day off after your session.



Oh my, he needs to be as prepared as you then. Maybe cook together, so he's a part of the process.
His role is to remain calm and hold space for you. Start slow. It's the best way for both of you, imo.



You usually drink rue and mimosa 20-30min apart.
DMT will hit depending on your metabolism. If you fasted beforehand, it could be as soon as 15min.
Otherwise, 45min for onset sounds about right. So it's already an hour and a half just to get in.
The whole experience typically lasts 6-8 hours with your doses (3g rue + 2g AC).

AC tends to be an easier experience with more joy compared to MH.
And please don't consume powders. Cook a tea from your plants.

I will follow your advice and try the Rue First to get used to it. I think that would actually be the smartest idea for me.

 

[northape]

I will follow your advice and try the Rue First to get used to it. I think that would actually be the smartest idea for me.

Just remember that rue isn't dmt, so make no judgment right away. 3g is enough to see how your body reacts.
Boil the seeds for 30min with a dash of vinegar, citric or fumaric acid and reduce to drinking volume.
Think of it more like detox. It will most likely clean your body
It's part of the process though, and you will be in better physical condition for further endeavors.
Your body will be in quite delicate state for approximately 3 days after use.
So be careful with coffee and other stimulants. Feel your way through.
Best of Luck

 

[Ruffles]

You certainly will come back... But if the experience is strong you won't come back the same, if light then you probably won't recognize the difference.

Gotta accept the possibility of some permanent change. After all, it's a novel substance for you, and it will get into your brain and your mind.

It sounds ominous, but if you are properly prepared it should be fine. Beyond the specific dosages for what you have, also look up good practices on psychedelic therapy and responsible drug use protocols.

 

[Aseel]

You certainly will come back... But if the experience is strong you won't come back the same, if light then you probably won't recognize the difference.

Gotta accept the possibility of some permanent change. After all, it's a novel substance for you, and it will get into your brain and your mind.

It sounds ominous, but if you are properly prepared it should be fine. Beyond the specific dosages for what you have, also look up good practices on psychedelic therapy and responsible drug use protocols.

Thanks Ruffles,
I guess I should have clarified a bit better. I do expect a change, I’m hoping for a change, I just remember that show where they tested drugs and their minds got stuck in the computer and they ended up comatosed

 

[Aseel]

Just remember that rue isn't dmt, so make no judgment right away. 3g is enough to see how your body reacts.
Boil the seeds for 30min with a dash of vinegar, citric or fumaric acid and reduce to drinking volume.
Think of it more like detox. It will most likely clean your body
It's part of the process though, and you will be in better physical condition for further endeavors.
Your body will be in quite delicate state for approximately 3 days after use.
So be careful with coffee and other stimulants. Feel your way through.
Best of Luck

That’s interesting about the delicate state for days. Have actually not found that anywhere before. Interesting to hear.

 

[northape]

That’s interesting about the delicate state for days. Have actually not found that anywhere before. Interesting to hear.

You can just read a wiki page on MAOI and get a picture of how it works.
Most drugs clear out in 72h, but for 3 days you usually have some in your bloodstream.
So you'll have some potentiation of coffee and other substances.
It's nothing major, but better be aware of it beforehand.
Peace

 

[Aseel]

I actually just finished reading a huge thesis like thing in rue. Extremely informative and very mind settling. Had no idea it had so many benefits

 

[northape]

One more fun fact is that these substances tend to promote fertility.
Although, rue considered unsafe when taken by mouth during pregnancy or breast-feeding.
It's a vasodilator and male organ works like new in days after ingestion
Don't know how it works for girls, but it was used as natural viagra for males in arab world.
There is a bounty of benefits, and most of them very subtle.

 

[Aseel]

ooh I think you just convinced my partner to join me

 

[northape]

Just give yourselves a day of rest before any experiments

 

[Aseel]

Will try