halcyon
Rising Star
Hello,
SWIM is trying to help a foafoaf who is seeking assistance with a problem related to dmt fumarate with FASA. This info was beamed into SWIMs head from Boa Vista, Brazil.
1. [Empsom Salts to Anhydrous Mag. Sulfate] Food grade epsom salts were baked at 400f for around an hour. After baking, the product was a still perfectly white solid that tended to clump. It was not gray or discolored in any way.
2. [Mag. Sulfate added to Acetone] A "bunch" of the mag. sulfate was added to a HALF can of regular hardware store acetone (note not "fresh" - maybe 3 weeks old, half full). Time passed and the salt settled to the bottom. When using acetone the liquid was pulled from the top with a piete.
3. [Creation of solution A and B] Now our Brazilian foafoaf follows the DMT handbook to a T. Two solutions were made: A) 1g of quite clean freebase was dissolved in 20ml of acetone, and B) where 100ml was used - 400mg of fumaric acid was added to this solution.
4. [Mixing of solutions - crashing out] Acetone/FASA was added slowly to the spice acetone rather slowly. With each drip, a something precipitated out.
5. [Waiting for xtals] Once all of the FASA was added to the spice laden acetone, the mixture was extremely cloudy indeed. This foafoaf was extremely excited to watch long slender xtals fall out and audibly clank around! But he was disappointed to not see or hear any xtal like thing. Over the course of a few hours the cloudiness "dropped down" - so the top portion of the vessel contained fairly clear (but not perfectly clear) acetone. It was covered to stop evaporation.
6. [Evapping acetone] 12 hours later the solution was not exactly cloudy but it was not clear either. It looked fairly clear from a distance, but up close it was nothing like normal acetone - something was in it. On the bottom was a very hard layer of something (almost like a sheet of not-cold ice) about a mm thick with some yellowish pieces of gunk in it (very few, but the foafoaf thought it was worth mentioning). No way did this glasslike stuff or the well named "gunk" weigh 1g. Foafoaf decanted the liquid, leaving the gunk as a memento. The decanted liquid was poured off into a new vessel.
8. [Evap shows precip] As the acetone evap'd, particles began falling out. They were quite yellow considering the source material. The particles looked by eye to be extremely similar to freebase particles. They were not long thin crystals, they were blobs.
9. [Evap cont.] The acetone had not fully evap'd when this foafoaf transmitted the data into my cranium via telepathy.
QUESTIONS
1. What could have gone wrong and where? SWIM has no idea - nothing makes sense about it.
2. What would be the absolute best way of determining whether the final precipitation is a salt or not? Clearly weighing would be a good start but there is that thorny issue of the ice-like stuff and gunk mentioned in step 6. What is the gunk?
3. What seems to make sense to SWIMs mind is just to dissolve the precip in acetone again - if it dissolves, freebase - otherwise, salt. Any tricks? Any reason not to do this (i.e. a much simpler and better test)?
3. This foafoaf wants to to see the long thin crystals.. so this will not be the last time. He/She/It will try again after some of the wildly smart people here chime in a bit.
Post if anything seems missing or doesn't make sense.
{h}
SWIM is trying to help a foafoaf who is seeking assistance with a problem related to dmt fumarate with FASA. This info was beamed into SWIMs head from Boa Vista, Brazil.
1. [Empsom Salts to Anhydrous Mag. Sulfate] Food grade epsom salts were baked at 400f for around an hour. After baking, the product was a still perfectly white solid that tended to clump. It was not gray or discolored in any way.
2. [Mag. Sulfate added to Acetone] A "bunch" of the mag. sulfate was added to a HALF can of regular hardware store acetone (note not "fresh" - maybe 3 weeks old, half full). Time passed and the salt settled to the bottom. When using acetone the liquid was pulled from the top with a piete.
3. [Creation of solution A and B] Now our Brazilian foafoaf follows the DMT handbook to a T. Two solutions were made: A) 1g of quite clean freebase was dissolved in 20ml of acetone, and B) where 100ml was used - 400mg of fumaric acid was added to this solution.
4. [Mixing of solutions - crashing out] Acetone/FASA was added slowly to the spice acetone rather slowly. With each drip, a something precipitated out.
5. [Waiting for xtals] Once all of the FASA was added to the spice laden acetone, the mixture was extremely cloudy indeed. This foafoaf was extremely excited to watch long slender xtals fall out and audibly clank around! But he was disappointed to not see or hear any xtal like thing. Over the course of a few hours the cloudiness "dropped down" - so the top portion of the vessel contained fairly clear (but not perfectly clear) acetone. It was covered to stop evaporation.
6. [Evapping acetone] 12 hours later the solution was not exactly cloudy but it was not clear either. It looked fairly clear from a distance, but up close it was nothing like normal acetone - something was in it. On the bottom was a very hard layer of something (almost like a sheet of not-cold ice) about a mm thick with some yellowish pieces of gunk in it (very few, but the foafoaf thought it was worth mentioning). No way did this glasslike stuff or the well named "gunk" weigh 1g. Foafoaf decanted the liquid, leaving the gunk as a memento. The decanted liquid was poured off into a new vessel.
8. [Evap shows precip] As the acetone evap'd, particles began falling out. They were quite yellow considering the source material. The particles looked by eye to be extremely similar to freebase particles. They were not long thin crystals, they were blobs.
9. [Evap cont.] The acetone had not fully evap'd when this foafoaf transmitted the data into my cranium via telepathy.
QUESTIONS
1. What could have gone wrong and where? SWIM has no idea - nothing makes sense about it.
2. What would be the absolute best way of determining whether the final precipitation is a salt or not? Clearly weighing would be a good start but there is that thorny issue of the ice-like stuff and gunk mentioned in step 6. What is the gunk?
3. What seems to make sense to SWIMs mind is just to dissolve the precip in acetone again - if it dissolves, freebase - otherwise, salt. Any tricks? Any reason not to do this (i.e. a much simpler and better test)?
3. This foafoaf wants to to see the long thin crystals.. so this will not be the last time. He/She/It will try again after some of the wildly smart people here chime in a bit.
Post if anything seems missing or doesn't make sense.
{h}
