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Angel_Above

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I have 1700 grams of root bark and I'm doing an extraction on all of it.

I'm using my old, tried and true method of 250 grams of bark, 250 grams of lye, and enough distilled water to fill a windshield wiper jug (its hdpe2) up to the top of the sticker.

What I usually do is mix the lye/water/bark around for a day and the next morning add in 250 ml of naphtha. After I add the 250, I wait 3 days, mixing it as often as it separates (up to 10 times a day), and then siphon it off and add 250 more. 1L of naphtha is enough for 1.25 extractions. (if this seems like too much naphtha, please help me come up with a new way to do it).

Doing this 250 ml pull 3 times per extraction ALWAYS gave me a 1%+ yield. I ended up with 6 grams when I did this with 2 jugs at the same time.

I have some heptane, and even though it's quite expensive, is it somehow BETTER to use than naphtha? I would perhaps do a 250 ml pull with heptane to see how it works, but I'm assuming I have to evaporate/freeze that separately? I have just read that it yields a cleaner product.

Would heating up the naphtha a little bit before adding it help increase the alkaloid content absorbed by the naphtha?

ie, would heating up the naphtha make it so I don't have to wait 3 days before taking out the naphtha to get the same amount of DMT?



I've honestly only used evaporation and still yielded good product. I don't mind that it will be "not so clean" as I have heptane for recrystallizations. I did one reX on some orange stuff and it turned pale yellow. WHat an improvement one reX did!

What is the "quickest" way to get the "most" dmt? Freezing all the naphtha I'm going to have, or evaporating all of it down as much as possible, then freezing? Or just evaporating all the way through? I hear mixed reviews about this, and research didn't help too much.

Also, two friends are helping mix the lye/water so we can do the mixing a lot faster (because that takes foreverrrrrrr).

Will they be ok to use vinyl type gloves as protection from lye? We will have vinegar on hand. I just wnat to know if its safe that everyone gets goggles, maybe a mask, and a pair of cheap gloves (I'm the only one with chemical resistant gloves, but they're like $10.00 at the store).

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
Angel_Above said:
I have some heptane, and even though it's quite expensive, is it somehow BETTER to use than naphtha? I would perhaps do a 250 ml pull with heptane to see how it works, but I'm assuming I have to evaporate/freeze that separately? I have just read that it yields a cleaner product.
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I would save the heptane for reX, if you're using petroleum based solvents, naptha's just fine.

Angel_Above said:
Would heating up the naphtha a little bit before adding it help increase the alkaloid content absorbed by the naphtha?
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Heating up naptha does pull more/faster than room temp. naptha. SWIM has never waited three days before collecting the pull, so...

Angel_Above said:
What is the "quickest" way to get the "most" dmt? Freezing all the naphtha I'm going to have, or evaporating all of it down as much as possible, then freezing? Or just evaporating all the way through? I hear mixed reviews about this, and research didn't help too much.
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Evaporate until the naptha clouds when you blow on it, the freeze precipitate.

Angel_Above said:
Will they be ok to use vinyl type gloves as protection from lye? We will have vinegar on hand. I just wnat to know if its safe that everyone gets goggles, maybe a mask, and a pair of cheap gloves (I'm the only one with chemical resistant gloves, but they're like $10.00 at the store).
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Vinyl gloves will work just fine.
 
Thanks very much kind sir!

How long would you suggest I keep the naphtha in there for each pull?

The method to heat the naphtha would be to boil water, turn off the gas, and put a jar in the pot for about 3 minutes or so.
 
Angel_Above said:
Thanks very much kind sir!

How long would you suggest I keep the naphtha in there for each pull?

The method to heat the naphtha would be to boil water, turn off the gas, and put a jar in the pot for about 3 minutes or so.
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once it settles and is not cloudy, go for it
 
I meant when I put the naphtha in the jug.

Since now I'm going to be heating the naphtha prior to it being added to the lye/bark/water mix, I'm asking how long I should keep each 250 mL addition of naphtha in there for?

PS: I also have a plastic graduated cylinder. Would I be able to use that to measure naphtha or not? I'm assuming no, but just in case, I felt I'd ask. There's no specific indication that it is polyethylene type of plastic.
 
Why are you doing an extraction of 1.7kg? That's a HUGE amount. The yield from that will be close to 20g, in other terms 400 x 50mg doses! If you dosed once a week, you would be supplied for 7.6 years!! I hope it is for personal use, but I have trouble at that quantity imagining that it is...

Assuming it is, why not do 100g at a time? More manageable, and leaves room for error - botch 1.7kg and you've wasted the whole kit and caboodle.

Just bear in mind that extracting these quantities here arouses suspicion, given the nature and policies of the nexus.

JBArk
 
Well, that's only because me and 3 other guys are splitting it after. More or less, I get 4.25 grams, and so do 3 other guys. I'm making a few changa blends and gonna dose up some close friends (free of course).

I can understand where you're coming from man, but I've done the 250 gram extraction three times already with great results. Since I'll still have DMT left over, I'm going to learn how to make fumarate so I don't have to do another extraction for a long time.

Besides maybe asking for enough to "Break even," I'm not going to sell it.
 
Came up with an additional question...

I read the evaporation thread Don't evaporate your solvents - Avoid grossness in your spice! - Health & Safety - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus and it worried me a little.

If I freeze, won't it smell? if SWIM evaporated, would a garage or a house room be most suitable? I've evaporated in my room to yield pretty nice looking DMT, and I plan on doing the reXs so I don't think evaporation is a horrible idea. Since I'm doing like 3-4 250 gram extractions, each one is about 750 ml of naphtha. So 2250 ml of naphtha is gonna smell up whatever I put it it in (The only thing I have is a pyrex baking dish with no lid.

EDIT: I'd still rather evaporate as much as I can, probably all of it, and then just do a few recrystallizations.

If I evaporate in a garage, will the heat be a problem, or will it actually help speed up the process? Usually my whole extraction, jug and evaporation, is done in a room that maintains a 74 degree temperature. His garage is probably 80-85 degrees.
 
jeez, evaporating 2250ml of naphtha will be nasty.. Your garage will smell of a gasoline station (or drug refinery), I hope you dont have nosy neighbours. You can use heat as it does speed up, but it increases the chance of forming n-oxides which dont crystalize. Maybe just evap it without heat, with a fan more or less near for indirect air circulation.. Or better, why dont you freeze precipitate everything from the beginning? Just make small naphtha pulls for every pull and put them in the freezer, and after retrieving the crystals, re-use the naphtha for more pulls.. This way mother nature wont cry so much hehe :D
 
Would evaporating in the garage be a bad idea, since it will be so hot?

A problem I previously had with freezing, was that the dish has no lid so I had to improvise with some seran wrap. Little water droplets appeared on the underside of the seran wrap, and went into the solution!

I honestly can't stand DMT-n-oxide. It tastes shitty, its weaker (imo about 2-3x weaker) and it burns so much worse.

Can recrystalizations help with this problem? I'm not certain if this will convert back to n,n,dmt.

What is the best method for freezing? I have a pyrex baking dish. I would put about 1000 ml of naphtha in there, and let it sit overnight. My freezer is very, very cold, and once I take it out I immediately pour off the naphtha back into the jugs, then have a fan on the dish and wait for it to dry, then scrape?

One thing I should ask advice on is smoking techniques. I've read a lot, but I feel that the only way I'm going to smoke it from now on is a pipe. I don't have a meth pipe (I'll get one soon, but I still make it into dmt-n-oxide when I use it, probably 60% of the time), but I've used a bowl with great effects. And with this much dmt, wasting a little isn't too bad haha.

Idk how, but me and my friend got 3 hits each off a little oregano with 60 mg of DMT on top. Very intense experience still!

And we kind of lit it like a bowl of weed.

Are there good techniques that I can utilize to make the bowl the most efficient smoking piece? I have a bubbler
 
Another thing I need to know about is the seran wrap and the containers. Since there's 6, 250 gram extractions and each has 250 mL, I'm using 750 mL in a pyrex baking dish with seran wrap covering it, and also putting another glass measuring cup (2 L size) for the other 750.

I wonder if I will get a decent amount? I put the naphtha in the jugs on Sunday evening, and I need to know what to do by 7:00 pm today. Please help fellow nexians! I plan to put 750 in each, freeze overnight (12 hours min) and pour off the naphtha and scrape and enjoy.

Since It's been 3 days, I figure I'm bound to get at least 2 grams.

Since it's on 1500 grams of mimosa, I might even assume 5 since I figure I'm doing 3, 250 ml pulls (the 3 pulls for 3 days worked for me in the past; anything past that point left me with .1-.3 pulls with 250 ml so I knew it was basically done.
 
the FAQ is your friend, you should check it out more often.

Best method for freeze precipitation

Best smoking methods

Evapping in your garage wont be a problem.

As for the bit of water in the freeze container, its not the end of the world (if its just plain water), the water will later melt when you remove the freezed container, and it will eventually evaporate.

I suggest you get a mason jar instead of freezing in the seran-wrap-closed container because not only it will close better, but also you will be able to do the 'turn it upside down' trick as stated in the FAQ, which you wont be able to in your container

And as for the yields, who knows. Depends on your mimosa, depends on how well mixed the pulls were, depends on the saturation of the naphtha before sticking in the freezer, etc. Just keep doing what you are doing and weigh after, its not like us telling you some number will change anything. If you didnt throw your mimosa away yet, dont.. wait for before all pulls were yielded. If its less than 1%, keep pulling (reusing the freezed naphtha and evapping it till its cloudy before freezing again) as there might be more there. If its 1% or more, be happy.

All this rush of 'I need to know by such date' is quite a turn-off, I must say.. Specially adding it to the thread title, if Im honest I must say it feels less desirable to answer... I understand each one has their situations but rushing things is a recipe for disaster with extractions and psychedelic consumption. If its not today, its some other day, take it slowly.

(I edited the thread title. We're glad to help people with good attitude, but thats not how it works, imagine if everybody with a problem did the same)
 
endlessness said:
All this rush of 'I need to know by such date' is quite a turn-off, I must say.. Specially adding it to the thread title...
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Yea that. Threads with these little tags may as well say Please Don't Respond to Me as far as I'm concerned.
 
I know. been having a rough time and it seems I post much less efficiently than I should.

It's personal shit though, so I won't post here for a while most likely because I keep feeling put down. Not by you guys, it's my own fault, but I have asked these questions on 2 forums, and I usually get no specific answers so it's my own frustration coming out in my posts and making me sound like a douche bag. I'm a nice guy really.

Anywho, thanks for the advice everyone. Another quick question: Since I used a mason jar and a pickle jar for freezing (I switched since I would prefer a lid on it) I'm going to have a hard time getting those crystals out of the container. I've been told that using a little IPA would work for dissolving the crystals so I can move the liquid to a better-suited container for scraping.

Do I need a certain percent of IPA? I have 71% at my house. Acetone works well from what I hear. I would go the naphtha recrystallization route, but the thought of using acetone or IPA seems easier because they evaporate quicker (Just guessing they do to be honest, but I know acetone evaporates quick as hell!)
 
If you are in canada (or more specifically, Quebec), be wary of 71% IPA. It has additives in it to be considered for massage (menthol etc) in order to circumvent new laws that prohibit the selling of ethanol. Even if you are not in canada, check to make sure.

JBArk
 
I'm in the US. What would be the best viable choice then? Acetone, IPA, or naphtha (I'm fine using naphtha, just wanted to use something that evaporated a little quicker but ultimately time don't matter to me).

And if IPA, do I need to get 90%+ or will 71% work as long as it does not have additives?

The mason jar/pickle jar are COMPLETELY CAKED with it. I'm excited. I might just end up going the clean naphtha route anyway, but assuming the 71% would work I'd rather use that or acetone, which seems to be the fastest.

Thanks in advance you dudes.
 
71% will work fine if it doesnt have additives appart from the 29% water (which will take a while to evaporate but it will work fine). Scrape as much as you can from the container before and then use the IPA to pick up the rest (or just straight away use the IPA to get it all, but I think better scrape as much as possible before and then usa IPA for the remaining traces). Or just reuse the container for next freeze precipitations...

acetone will also work fine if it doesnt have any additives. Good luck
 
Extract naptha then wash naptha with sodium carbonate solution then evap till cloudy then freeze :) should be good to go and also save ur naptha for next time, recycling is good :D

If you have plenty of dmt then a re-x wouldn't go wrong and can only improve your spice.
 
DeMenTed said:
Extract naptha then wash naptha with sodium carbonate solution then evap till cloudy then freeze :) should be good to go and also save ur naptha for next time, recycling is good :D

If you have plenty of dmt then a re-x wouldn't go wrong and can only improve your spice.
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Buddy, you would NOT BELIEVE how well that sodium carbonate wash works. I took it out and it was red/brown naphtha. Completely disgusting. I almost wanted to throw it out.

I did the wash with 5 50 mL additions of distilled water and it became so clean and yellow. Went from brown as poop to yellow as lemonade. Usually I do 3 50 mL additions, but this called for extra attention. It was such a brown, dark color that I thought it was ruined. It honestly didn't make sense, but I don't argue with science.

But what I'm doing is freezing right now, then reusing all the naphtha. I will evaporate it on the final pull, but as of now i'm keeping it.

Thanks for all the advice nexians. Much love and peace!
 
Yes Angel when you do a wash it's amazing to watch all the impurities being dragged down into the sodium carb solution, science in action :D
 
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