• Members of the previous forum can retrieve their temporary password here, (login and check your PM).

From enlightenment to alien posession? No more DMT for me.

Migrated topic.

ThePurpleSquirrel

Rising Star
I wish this were better written and that I could take the time to make these trip reports concise; but, I have a migraine coming on. The aura has already started. I don't know for how long it will knock me out. So, I'm getting this down now. I'm so shaken by my most recent trip, I felt like this was something you guys should know about.

[I'm halfway through writing and can see this is getting long, but I'm going to keep going. I'm churning this out stream-of-consciousness, my apologies for the long-winded style.]

_____________________

I did DMT for the first time in the beginning of 2010. I had done no research. One day in early January, I ate lunch with a friend on our college campus. We were talking about philosophy and religion and whether or not we believed in God. (We didn't.) My friend, let's call him Bob, asked if I had ever heard about DMT. He knew I liked cannabis, but that I hadn't used other drugs.

"So," he said, "have you ever heard of 'The Spirit Molecule?" I hadn't. He told me about DMT, that it came from the pineal gland and was released at birth and death. I know, I know, that's conjecture, (at least, I know it NOW) but the (supposed) connection between the pineal and DMT intrigued me at the time. We looked at the book on Amazon and watched the trailer for the documentary for YouTube and that was it. "The Spirit Molecule."

I knew, then, that I would take this drug.

I never planned to take the DMT so quickly. I thought I would take it "one day," after learning everything I could about it first. Trying anything -- much less a mind-altering substance -- before undertaking a near-excessive amount of research is not like me. I read two scholarly (big, thick) works on cannabis before I started smoking it regularly, for migraines.

I've had migraines since I was six years old. They run in my family. It's genetic, supposedly. I also have chronic fatigue and Celiac Disease. A few months before meeting my friend for lunch that day, I had been having a hell of a time with chronic migraines and muscle pain and weakness, and I was in the middle of a battery of time-consuming, expensive tests and make-up exams. I started smoking pot every night for the pain, and I loved it. I had given up alcohol and was eating mostly raw foods, avoiding all common migraine triggers, but the headaches wouldn't stop. They were coming every day, hitting in the late afternoon and lasting through the early morning. I'd used every other migraine abortive therapy (and most preventatives) with ill effects. Finally, one neurologist recommended I use Cannabis, "if I could get it," despite its being illegal. I did, and it helped the pain without slowing me down the next day. By the time I met Bob for lunch, Cannabis was my only medicine.

In March of 2010, I went to see my friend for Cannabis. If you've watched the movie, "Pineapple Express," then you've pretty much met my guy. Not James Franco, of course, but a definite doppleganger. Let's call him, "Ryan." Ryan looked and sounded just like James Franco's character in that movie. He was a sweet, slacker stoner, and he always had good shit. Ryan and I sat around chatting, like normal, before we smoked. I noticed a book on his table: Eckhart Tolle, "The Power of Now." He told me a little about what it was about. Sounded like New Age nonsense to me, but I didn't say so.

I found myself asking, "Have you ever heard of DMT?"

"Oh, yeah!" his face lit up. "It's a beautiful teacher. It heals."

That resonated with me: it heals.

"I'd like to try it," I said.

"Yeah, it's a real spiritual experience."

Ryan's excitement was contagious, and I was infected.

"Yeah," I said, "I really want to do it."

Ryan went quiet... "I have some," he said.

I couldn't believe it. The coincidence was invigorating. I tried to judge his intentions. Ryan is male and heterosexual. I am female. What was he expecting for this DMT? Paranoid thinking? Yes, a little, but I was like that before the weed. Experience is also a powerful teacher.

"If you want to try it, I'll give it to you. There's enough for one bowl."

"Why would you do that?"

"Because you said you'd like to try it."

He was genuine. Equally surprising as him having a supply of DMT.

"Ok." I was nervous, but didn't know when else I might have such an opportunity.

Ryan said he wanted someone to be there with us. "A shahman," he said. "John."

I wondered if John would come in wearing feathers or war paint. He didn't. He was wearing jeans and a hippie-eque camel-colored shirt. Tall and black (at least 6'5"), with waist-long dreads and a deep voice, John put me at ease immediately. He sat down and said, "Ryan says you want to do the spice?" I nodded. "Why?"

My mind went completely blank. I didn't have a good answer for that question. Why DID I want to use DMT? I answered his question though. Almost immediately the words came out: "I want to know." Know what? I don't know and din't then, but John didn't ask. He just nodded.

"Do you have people in your life, darling?" I told him yes. "Any history of mental illness? I told him yes: Depression. It also runs in my family. "Any hallucinations?" No. "Any bipolar or manic episodes?" No. The next question shocked me: "Anybody ever hurt you?"

I laughed a little, "Wouldn't everybody answer yes to that?"

John was serious, "I mean really hurt you. I don't mean stand you up for dinner."

Emotion. Hot tears started welling. I blinked. I nodded, but felt like a silent nod would be weak. "Yeah."

John nodded. Looked at me for a while. "This will help you," he said. "It may scare you at first, but it will help you."

John prepared the bowl: yellow crystals on a bed of MJ in a pipe. Ryan put on some music -- I don't know the artist, but it was soothing and heavy on drums. I meditated while I waited... at least, I tried. I wasn't skilled in meditation by any means, at the time.

John brought me the bowl, helped me hold it, and held the lighter above the crystals. They melted. I inhaled, coughed, felt sick. John brough the pipe to my lips again. "One more," he said. "As deep as you can." I took it, held it. It was my last breath. When I exhaled it, I knew (a deep, absolute certainty) that I had fucked myself over. How can I explain this... I'd never experienced the kind of thought that goes beyond words, but this was what it was. I felt like Indiana Jones after he removes the statue and the rock starts rolling after him. I had invited this experience, and now it was going to kill me.

There was a presence, although I didn't think of it as an "entity." Whatever it was, though, it KNEW me. It knew who I was, and it had been waiting for me all this time. Pain ripped all through my body -- agonizing sensations I had never imagined. I saw colors that were impossible for this earth and tasted flavors I'd never experienced before. The smell of DMT was ovewhelming. Then, the mandala appeared.

This mandala was more intricate and beautiful than anthing I had ever imagined. It was huge and filled my entire field of view. It was made of an infinite number of pieces and was accompanied with two frequencies/ sounds. One was the very high-pitched "carrier signal" others have described. The second was a very low, wide vibration. A music of some kind: WOM-wom-wom-wom-WOM-wom-wom-wom-WOM-wom-wom-wom. As the mandala moved forward, each of the infinite number of pieces grew larger. There were people in the shards -- Aztec-like in appearence -- acting out agricultural scenes: women hoeing and planting, men with beasts of burden. And, as this mandala moved forward, I saw that each of the infinite pieces were filled with even more infinite pieces inside of them, and they grew bigger as it advanced, and the biger pieces contained even smaller pices. This mandala was getting closer.

In the middle of the mandala was a sort of mask-face. I associated it with the presence coming toward me -- the thing that KNEW me. That's what it was saying to me, non-verbally, as best I can translate: I know you. It didn't just know me. It was judging me. I couldn't hide from it. I was so exposed. I didn't resist. I didn't advance. I let it go through me. Then, I left my body.

I don't remember most of hyperspace. I remember being taken to a bright red galaxy, and the DMT-presence then showed me what I thought was its true face. It judged me. Showed me who I was from the perspective of other humans and also from "the cosmos." I learned that everything I had ever done was motivated by fear, and I felt for the first time what it is like to be loved, unconditionally. Then, I left the galaxy and went back to Ryan's apartment. Behind my eyes were beautiful visuals, but even more fantastic were the visuals projected onto the "real world." I could already feel the details of the trip slipping away from me. I remember saying a few things during that time. Ryan wrote them down. I said: "This is all here all the time. We just can't always see it." I also said, "All creativity comes from here."

One vision was so beautiful, a big melting candle of love sitting on top of an empty chair in the room. I asked to please be able to remember that one, and I still can, vaguely. I felt, right up to the end, like the whole trip was being directed by something unleashed by the DMT, that it had shown me all the important stuff I could handle, and that this last part of the trip was just to reward me for my having been brave. It was a gift.

I came out smiling. Hugged John and Ryan and told them what I'd seen, and I went home.

DMT changed my life. I grew up in a severely religious (Christian, protestant, mystic) background and completely rejected that for Hard Science and the "autonamous-mechanistic" view of life Alan Watts talks about. In that area, DMT's revelations were not comforting. Suddenly, a confident atheist was agnostic again. I didn't like that. What I did enjoy were the psychological revelations I "received" in the red galaxy area.

After the experience, I started studying mindfulness meditation, Buddhism (especially Zen), and practicing yoga. My health problems got worse. I was bedridden for a while and then housebound. I meditated and practiced yoga almost every day (for a couple of hours a day) for a couple of years. I'm better now. Only a few migraines a month, less fatigue, less pain.

I am so grateful for my experiences with meditation and yoga -- my practice of both were catazlyzed by that first wonderful experience with the drug; but, all the questions I had before DMT were multiplied by DMT, even with the personal revelations.

I turned to philosophy, to deep meditation, to neuroscience. I felt like I was starting to figure things out -- not cosmically, but for me, in this period of my human life.

A few months ago, I discovered the Nexus and read many, many posts. Honestly, if I had read some of your trip reports before my first experience with the drug, I would never have tried it. Even after reading them, though, I still DID want to try it, again. Reading the posts kept reminding me of my first trip, and I wanted more deep psychological (even human or cosmic) revelations; but, I didn't think these experiences were really "spiritual" in nature. I had come to the conclusion that everything I had seen and experienced during the first trip were products/projections of my own mind and that, if I went back again, I would be able to recognize this and not view the drug as an "entity."

Yeah, wrong.

On Wednesday, I smoked DMT for the second time, but I didn't get far. I started getting anxious (because my sitter was anxious, having no experience with the drug, himself) so I just took one tiny hit of jimjam mixed with MJ. (limonene tek.) I got a few visuals, but wasn't feeling it, so I let it go. The next day, I smoked DMT for the third time, after a couple hours of yoga and meditation. This time, I was alone. I put on a playlist I had prepared for the occasion, sat in a comfortable chair, and took two hits of a bowl of 10 mg Jim Jam mixed with Cannabis.

The trip started out scary. The same carrier wave, but no wom-wom music this time. Also, where I viewed the DMT "entity" as a male before, this one seemed female. I assured myself she was part of my mind. In the wooden panneling of the cabinet, I could see rows and rows of dancers. The patters on the rug below me were intricate and geometric. When I looked at my arms and hands, I could see things inside my body. I didn't know if it was a biological process of mine, or something else. I felt a little anxious and looked towards my front door. It's a glass door with pretty iron bars. I like looking at it sober. I liked looking at it during the trip, too, at first. The light coming through was white and pretty, then it turned red, but just at one end. The knob end, not the hinge end. The red light turned to blood streaming down the side of the door.

I watched it, and my anxiety, let them both be. Then, the trip changed -- similar in feeling to how the first trip changed with the mandala moved through me. I was judged, I passed, and then IT could be friendly. I felt the DMT waves inside my body and got the feeling it was healing me, reinvigorating my wounded intestines. I've had a lot of problems with constipation and one of the realizations during the trip was that my thoughts are also constipated, not just my guts. The trip was very healing, and I enjoyed it so much I reset the playlist and smoked two more bowls.

At the end, I cried happy tears and felt completely refreshed. I couldn't wait to write down everything I had learned.

Then, the migraine started. I had the worst migraine I've ever had that night. So bad, I had to spend the night in a room by myself, which I never do (I live with my BF). I could hear my BF breathing from the other end of the house, with the door closed.

I always have some memory loss after a migraine. Usually, whatever I've done the day before is pretty much erased. I've gotten used to writing down anything important in case it hits. Without the migraines, my memory is really sharp. This one was bad. It wiped pretty much everything out.

I woke up in a bit of a "migraine fog" and a little sad that I had lost my revelations. I still had some spice left in my bowl. I decided to smoke some more. I did yoga and meditation, then sat down with my bowl. I heard the vinegar sizzle and had taken one hit when my doorbell rang. A man's large, black shadow filled the door: my UPS guy dropping off a package. He left it outside and drove away. I was a little rattled, but wasn't expecting any more interruptions. So, I hit the pipe again. As soon as I did it, I knew it was a mistake. I had opened the door. It was the same terror as during my first trip, but so much worse. I thought taking one more hit would be a good idea, because it would make it easier to give in and let go. I put the lighter back to the spice and heard a voice say, "We've got her now."

I've never heard a voice on DMT, before this. The communication was always non-verbal. On this last trip, though, there were many voices, all talking to me, and I didn't buy they were actually coming from my psyche. Worse, the visuals were getting scary. Colors had taken on an ominous tone. Worst of all, I knew -- KNEW -- that this IT was different than the IT that greeted me during the first trip. The IT in the second trip was mildly female. This IT was definitely female and she was thrilled that I was there. See, I KNEW that she had been watching me, that my smoking for three days in a row had let her find me, that my smoking that morning was EXACTLY what she wanted, and that, now, she was trying to hack into my brain. I focused on my breath, tried to notice all the sensations and not fight any of them: "You are me. You are me. This is all me."

The voices said:

"She's good."
"Keep her at it."
"Almost there."

"You are all me. You are all me." But it wasn't. I couldn't believe it, not at all. This wasn't some thought in the back of my mind -- I was certain: she wanted my body. She wanted my brain. I stopped letting it all in. I focused on the room in front of me and felt the carrier signal decrease. The progress she was making on my brain stopped... or slowed. Now, my focus was on distracting me/her/it/whatever. I didn't want to interact with IT. I wanted to make it as difficult as possible for her to get in.

The voices kept going.

"Ooooooeww.... She's very good."
"Distract her."

I concentrated on the wooden panels in the room. The dancers which were so mesmerizing the day before were no menacing, AND they were trying to climb out of the wood.

"Even if they do climb out," I told myself, "They are part of your brain."

Laughter. Evil laughter. And then a voice coming from inside of my head, "WE are in your brain."

They weren't in my brain like ideas or beliefs or concepts. They were in my brain like hackers, like aliens, like bugs.

"So am I," I said to the dancers/the voices/the thing. "So am I."

The door started making a noise. It was pouring blood again and the blood was getting closer. The blood was running slowly across the swimming floor towards me. The floor is usually white, but was now an evil green. I refused to show fear to the blood. Then, the door started moving towards me, shortening the distance by shrinking the floor. I started chanting: Om Mani Padme Hum.

The trip started to recede. The carrier signal dropped away and, though there were a few visuals left, the voices were gone and I felt like myself again. I looked at my watch: 20 minutes, give or take. I could stand by then, and I jumped up and ran to my keyboard. I started playing music and singing Elton John songs really loud.

I was still afraid. I am still afraid. At first, I was just afraid I would be traumatized and become schizophrenic. I'm rational. I'm rational. I'm rational. I do not belive in these things... except it scared the fuck out of me. I'm still a little freaked out at the possibility that they finished part though not all of the job. I've had a few weird auras today. No headache has arrived yet. I worry they are visual hallucinations. I've also felt a few weird twinges and itches. I've been so paranoid, I've even laid off the cannabis. It so felt like I had fallen right in to some other being's plan. That the first two good trips were just bait to get me to come back unsuspecting, so they could trap me.

I make my living from working with probabilities. I know that, rationally speaking, the possibility that I've just had a bad trip, or that this bad trip triggered a latent schizophrenia that may or may not continue or escalate -- these things are much more likely than a malicious alien force using DMT as a way to snatch mybodies; but, dudes, I'm telling you all, that possibility feels like way more than a "hintergedanken."

I'm never going back to hyperspace, if I have any free will about it at all. I'm not sure I'll come back to the Nexus regularly and lurk as I used to, because I don't want to be tempted to go back and try it again once the memories fade. I threw my materials away and took the trash out today because I didn't want it in the house. I went to work this afternoon and functioned normally. I'm no longer hearing voices, just seeing squiggles and feeling weird things under my skin. But I'm scared.

I'm still really scared.
 
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
 
First of all, welcome! :)

Don't be put off. Take some time off and integrate, integrate, integrate! Write, ponder, meditate, art, exercise, or anything to bring yourself in the present moment. DMT experiences, as many here will tell you, are never the same. Always going to be different. Just take some time off, integrate, and take your freshly imparted knowledge and bring it into your life.
 
Someone who has extensive experience with Ayahuasca:

"When I was in Northern Peru for 7 weeks, and working with Ayahuasca, I met an interesting elderly man. He had spent many years travelling around South America documenting the use of Ayahuasca. From what I recall he was making a documentary. It so happens this man is a seer. He has clairvoyant sight. During a conversation with him he made the comment that he had met very few Ayahuasqueros who did not work with demons or demonic forces."


And also:

In Ancient Hawaiian Huna (as I learnt it, which came from an old and rare lineage as opposed to the Huna that is popular today) these entities are call Malu. Malu translates into “life-taking spirits”. These are spirits or entities that devalue life, depreciate life, take from life. If you go into relationship with a Malu (whether you know it of not—usually not) it will have this effect on you also. It will detract from the flow and expression of Life within you, in your relationship, and in your world. Modern psychology might argue that these Malu are simply aspects of our own psyche. That’s possible, although it fails to adequately explain a few important things. But either way, they are detrimental to our well-being and they have a very real impact on people.

One important aspect of Malu or entities is that once removed from a person’s field, very tangible changes are often experienced by that person. Remove an angry Malu and someone might find they cease having angry issues. Remove a Malu with a propensity for alcohol, and someone with a long-standing alcohol problem is suddenly “cured” of that issue. I could cite hundreds of real-life examples, but that will do for now. I trust it gives you a general picture of what we’re dealing with.

What I have found is that when people get “out-of-it” (to use a term commonly applied to someone who has taken drugs) the luminous body has, to an extent, vacant. That vacancy creates a vacuum of sorts. This “space” was intended to be occupied by sentient consciousness. If your sentient consciousness has checked it, something else is likely to check in. The problem is that this uninvited guest is likely to hang around even after your return.



What is also interesting is that alot of DMT users encounter Alienesque Insectoid entities that more often then not probe or somehow 'experiment' on the person taking DMT.

I have found this from a highly accomplished French Psychic, apologies for the choppy English as it has been translated from French to English using google translate:


The insectoid entities are winged black bottom chart, in relation to the lower vibrations of the spiritual plane. They have a size that can go til 3, 5m for adults. These creatures live in a family of ten individuals. I have no idea of their age because the notion of spending their year is completely unknown.

They are very aware of their role, well organized and very farsighted. Their main food is the spiritual deviations (satanic rituals, initiations bullshit, rituals intended for purposes of power, drugs). They have an ability to detect these phenomena has great distance and they know in advance or it will happen. They go to these events, family, leaving juenes use first.

They have a tube fixed on their 4th chakra allowing them to feed on emotions and a kind of language-very long proboscis, which comes brancer on 7th chakra of the victim and sucks the substance.

You must have done stupid things to be the prey of an insectoid black. Nothing is without reason, they are aware that they make us pay our wanderings and ultimately it is their mission. They are cunning and savvy predators, as their 6th chakra testifies unusually large. Sometimes they are hooks to a human hatch the egg laid in his chest.
 
Wow.

I feel for you and commend your courage at writing it up.

Did you weigh your dose?

I know this feeling. I have only felt it once when, in my opinion,
I took too much in one hit... with the right intention and went deeeeep.
I think it is important to remember, this is a tryptamine. It is extremely powerful.
It is only your mind. Many people have done exactly what you have done.
I know how ridiculous this may sound in your position, as
it felt more real than here. I too, in the first few seconds remember the
feeling of being trapped, that it was a trap and they had been waiting
for me to toke to trap me in a box and drop me into the infinite,
to kill me under the carrier wave. All my other trips had been
candy to lure me into the trap. Over time I actually learned
a lot from those aliens that trapped me. That they were not aliens.
And that I actually learned some beneficial aspects and spiritual
practices for my life. It would sound absolutely crazy to most
people, but I am lucky to have open minded friends and companions
who have also had amazingly bizarre experiences with the molecule.

Remember, it is just your brain. It is a very mysterious organ
under the influence of a very mysterious chemical that triggers
mysterious biological functions... this is however conjecture.
The reality is though, you are not possessed and you were not possessed
by anything other than the noggin octopus that sits atop your eyes in a trance.
Remember that. Apart of the experience is feeling and seeing beyond
yourself, but this experience is very much apart of yourself.
You were in fact possessed by only yourself. Your mind is a
very comprehensive mechanism.

I look at these experiences as puzzles. I think once the message
is understood over days, that can be the most difficult part.
Over time however this is what separates this drug from others.
You may find yourself realizing a great many things
about your life and life in general. Like, Tattvamasi,
said: take some time off. Live life, contemplate the
experience but try not to obsess over it. I have seen
positive effects occur in those that I have smoked out,
even those who have had difficult times with subs.

When I was in your position I honestly found comfort in valium
and talking to close friends if it is too difficult to integrate
on your lonesome. If you go back, start small. And work your way
back to your comfort zone. You obviously realize now,
DMT is not something to take carelessly.

I wish you well and a speedy recovery back
to normality.
 
Welcome to the Nexus, Purple Squirrel.

Sorry to hear about your migraines and challenging experience. I started with DMT due to its similarity to triptan migraine medications. I would be wary of a large dose myself if I felt it were a possible trigger, though I haven't heard of it being a trigger before, it might be coincidence.

I'd recommend the advice you get here as these folks have a lot of experience with hyperspace and integration of experiences. I've had difficult experiences before with other hallucinogens and really there is no need to be afraid. You'll be fine.

If you need to stay away from tripping for a while or as long as you need then that might be a good thing to do.

Still, I suggest you might try tiny doses to abort a migraine. I read from others' accounts that less is more in regards to using DMT to stop migraines, and have found that to be the case, from barely perceptible to light closed eye visual doses seem to work best.

Psilocybin from mushrooms seems to be better from most accounts for migraine relief and many find that they provide relief as well as prophylaxis from clusters and migraines.

Figure out what you're comfortable experimenting with, do your research. If you want to never do psychedelics again, that's your choice and might be the right one for you. Once again though I'd like to say it again, don't worry, you'll be ok.
 
My I share my opinion.

First, you must forsake atheism and embrace Gnosticism.

Madre Ayahuasca (dmt+maoi) is far more patient and gentle, but nonetheless it can still be very scary and painful. She will bring before you your fears and insecurities. I may feel like you are being attacked, but you are not. You are only being shown what she wants to heal in you. You must face it and embrace the pain and pass through it to the other side of peace, love and healing. It may be one of the hardest things for you to do, but you can do it. Don't run and hide from that and lie to yourself by telling yourself that this is all in your head.

Btw, I am not a fan of smoking DMT for someone who has not had several ayahuasca experiences for a foundation.

Your experience was beautifully written. This Wednesday, I will fast for you.
 
Thanks for writing that up, your words are very vivid and I feel you on the dichotomy of DMT - sometimes so healing and friendly, sometimes dark and frightening. I have a friend who described a trip very similar to your later one, where when she went into DMT space she heard a voice triumphantly exclaiming, "we have you now!" and ever since she's felt uncomfortable about doing DMT. I've also had some experiences where I felt some kind of possession might be going on... weird and disconcerting to say the least!

I'm sure if you have migraines you've tried all kinds of things, but have you tried feverfew? You have to take it regularly (about a month to start working) but after that it reduces the frequency and intensity of migraines for many people. Tanacetum parthenium, it's pretty easy to find, even grow your own. The best time to harvest is late in fall, after a few good frosts.
feverfew_herb.gif
 
Back
Top Bottom