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GobblinTorch

Rising Star
INTRODUCTION
Greetings to everyone who makes this community such a haven for open-minded, thoughtful, and most importantly harm reducing discussions. You just don't find the same level of bullshit here that you do at forums such a bluelight, etc. I guess I thought I'd show my thanks by going ahead and registering (an urge I have not felt reading other forums, haha). You don’t really need to sort through the bullshit here; you just find a bunch of thoughtful answers, questions, and comments under every post (or at least the vast majority).

I was attracted to the site by 69ron's excellent account of extraction of cactus with d-limonene, very great to know that people are using environmentally friendly chemicals for that sort of thing.

So, to introduce myself: I'll start by saying that I have never ingested DMT, or 5-Meo-DMT, but find the responsible use of such alkaloids intriguing and their prohibition completely devoid of any semblance of logic.

Its common knowledge that DMT use is skyrocketing and you can see the addicts flooding to the DMT store (or sorry BC Liquor store ... Oh they don't sell DMT, they sell vodka... the DMT addicts are gonna be jonesing) /sorry intense sarcasm.

I believe that alcohol is more toxic than most regular citizens realize, and while I like to drink I hate hearing completely false information about psychoactive substances coming slurring out of the mouth of someone with their sixth drink in hand—ESPECIALLY when they go outside a moment later to smoke a completely adulterated version of tobacco (the cigarette).

Sometimes I worry that psychedelic researchers might be doing themselves harm experimenting in new frontiers, or that psychedelics are often used in too recreational a manner. I think I’ve come to realize that people do themselves harm no matter what substance they have in their possession: if they are the sort of reckless, irresponsible people that can’t control their substance usage in the first place (or care for their own health and well being). No amount of federal regulation will change that, but education on how to safely consume substances is always well received.

MY HABITS
I am 21, from 17-18 (after a trip to Germany, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and Austria) I consumed large quantities of alcohol. I drank every weekend, two nights in a row (about 0.5-0.75L vodka or whiskey, OR 12-15 beer. sometimes a combination of both PER night), but rarely used marijuana until I was half way through 18. Its just such a common substance in BC that I smoked it even when I didn't smoke it, if that makes sense ;) I don't drink like this anymore thanks to a cat I've met in my dreams (discussed later) and my consumption of psychoactives these days looks something like this:

---Alcohol (weekly use of about 1-4L beer or 1-2L wine or 0.35L Gin, or a mixture .. this is an average I usually just have wine or beer with dinner here and there and go out once or twice a week and drink under 6 drinks socially)

---Caffeine (Coffee, Teas and Yerba Mate. Guarana and Kola Nuts when they can be acquired)

---Melatonin (VERY OCCASIONALLY as a sleep aid because I found I built up a tolerance to it quickly and it stopped working)

---Smoked Marijuana (near daily use for the past year [0.5g/day average with some days at triple that, and some with no use], prior to that I used it about once a week since a few months after I turned 18)

---Oral Marijuana (I use marijuana-infused coconut oil infrequently in baked goods).

HYPERSPACE EXPERIENCE---WARNING scroll to botton for summary, below are plenty of irrelevant details
SWIM (a crazy cat I see in my dreams who wears bizarre outfits, and I see in person on occassion and the funny bit is we recognize eachother, this cat has hands and feets and a scale accurate to 0.1g) has seen many a surreal frontier. I believe he is a culmination of my philosophical outlook on things: that empirical experience is the only acheivable truth in the universe, that government drug-education is completely dishonest about the harms and experiences of psychoactive usage and that this lack of honesty is actively harmful to its citizens, and finally that individuals should be free to consume whatever substance they determine useful without being persecuted.

His first trip was on a meagre 0.3 - 0.7 grams of a brownish psilocybe. When I awakened from the dream I almost instantly found marijuana more enjoyable. It was like my mind was shown how to experience visual phenomena. In the next dream SWIM ingested 1 hit of lsd, and ate 2 more once he found it so enjoyable. It lasted 18 hours (he redosed 3 hours after the initial dose and smoked marijuana like a chimney), and SWIM taught me the magic of mind manifestation. That is to say the ability to see things that one wishes to see, upon command. Sort of.

SWIM's later experiences were less about curiosity and more about the recreational aspect of things. The visions this cat talked about were incredible, but the cat always maintained his self-awareness and never seemed that "out of it". He wouldn't touch anything besides LSD, Mushrooms, and Cannabis because he was confident the latter two were organic and easy to identify. SWIM told me LSD was LSD because DOx requires a larger blotter, and 5-Meo-AMT tastes bitter as hell and isn't very common (as well as causing bodily discomfort more so than LSD). He hasn't ever seen ALD-52, but perhaps has consumed it because all of his LSD trips were not the same (but had very similar themes).

When I turned 19 I had the most beautiful dream. SWIM had changed his mind about chemicals and decided that he was experienced enough to explore phenethylamines. He decided upon MDA, DOM (STP) if he could find it and Peruvian Torch as a natural comparison. His first acquistition was MDA, he could not find DOM no matter where he asked (and he asked). He found Peruvian Torch in Vancouver. SWIM ate two capsules that were eyeballed as 1/4 of 0.4g of MDA, he used a marquis reagent to test for the presence of MDxx. This was a great dream. My body felt so amazing, like the cat was gently moving all about my body .. massaging the skin. SWIM talked to many friends both old and new, seemingly making deep emotional contacts with them, albeit only for an instant. This is a valuable substance. SWIM stores the remaining capsules away and doesn't take MDA frequently--its therapeutic potential is too vast and he doesn't want to become accustomed to it (like he has LSD or mushrooms). SWIM used 250mg MDA in a capsule at a festival and almost immediately vomited. This is SWIMs only experience vomiting from a chemical, and the utter gut wrenchingness of doing so was felt to him. He felt completely toxic, and luckily the vomiting was enough to make him feel better and not experience an overdose or something similar. SWIM Warns all prospective researchers of MDA to not treat dosage as similar to MDMA. 150mg is the most that should be taken at once with at most another 150mg spread out through the experience. Some people safely eat 200mg at once. SWIM is not one of those people apparently.

I was happy for him: he was able to find a chemical (through street dealers) by its chemical name without getting something else in its place. He told me his tactic was to ask for a list of various substances to elicit honesty or confusion in the dealer. He explained it like this. If the dealer knows you want "E" he might have something else like it that he will try to sell you. If you ask for MDA, MDMA, and DOM/DOB,etc. then if you want MDA you will know whether you are getting it or not. The dealer will go ahead and say I have MDMA not MDA--thus you know he has MDMA not MDA. He might just say no he doesn't know what he has they are just pills or powders, but thats the sort of info you want to know. SWIM thought if you ask for a list, the dealer is forced to rationally answer your question (at least it increases the percentage of this happening).

SWIMs next experience was the chewing of 30 grams of green chunks of peruvian torch. This was the first time he had attempted this. SWIM feels he could not do this today if he tried, the taste and naseau was etreme. He had to sit in a marijuana hotbox for the first hour to subside the naseau. When he rose up to explore his environment he felt spirirs whirling around him in a sort of war dance. It was like they were telling him something that he has yet to understand (SWIM has consumed (from least potent to most potent) 30g P. Torch in tea, 50g powderised in capsules, and 30g powderised and mixed with water. The last method was probably exactly as disgusting as the first time he ate it. None of these experiences were more hallucinogenic than 0.5g of mushrooms and a strong cup of coffee.

SWIM fell in love with P. Torch, but most of all respected it like no other drug. He decided not to use LSD except in very appropriate situations (SWIMs highest dose was 10 blotters at once, or in one day 3+4+5). SWIM continues to use mushrooms (prefering low doses of psilocybe cyanescens which he sometimes picks in the forest himself), especially in combination with the one drug that he would admit to abusing. MDMA.

SWIM enjoys dancing. Where SWIM lives MDMA is more available than bulk powdered (or whole seeds) of guarana and kola nuts and thus found MDMA almost neccessary for a while to attend the 2am-6am rave scene (where the good dancing was to be had). SWIM did not abuse it as bad as some people I have seen. He used it about twice a month for a year though, SWIM probably used MDMA, MDA, and MDEA because it always tested black under a marquis but he felt a third effect amongst the MDxx that he had used. SWIM doesn't have a mg scale and his favourite way to take MDMA was via liquid measurement, but SWIM usually eyeballed 0.5g into 4 piles when using MDMA because he could not find a way to take liquid solutions around town with him easily. He found this to be by far consistent enough for MDMA, but would stress that MDA is extremely dangerous at dosages above 500mg and MDMA and MDA are often sold interchangably. So if you make 1/4 of 0.5g doses never take more than 3 in a night before you know it isn't MDA. SWIM classifies his use of MDMA as abuse, but never took more than 0.4g in an entire evening. SWIM is a 175lb male, thus it should never be neccessary to take more than 0.4g. It is wiser to take MDMA over the course of time (0.15g, then 0.075g is ideal, so is 0.1g then 0.1g) it is easier on your body this way, but neurotoxicity is probably a calculated by total dosage regardless. Its just really bad to take more than 0.3g of MDMA in a single evening.

Sometimes when SWIM couldn't find anything else he used 150-600mg of DXM with marijuna and caffeine. He sometimes mixed it with a little bit of alcohol but was always VERY AWARE of the consequences of taking TOO MUCH OF EITHER when doing this. It is best to only take 200mg and have 2 drinks MAX if you mix the two. SWIM enjoyed this substance, but Olney's lesions are probably real and the substance is not valuable enough to subject your mind to neurotoxicity. SWIM liked DXM enough to buy 0.5g of ketamine. SWIM determined this was the first and only batch of ketamine he would ever buy, he was worried it might be some other crazy drug because he could find no simple way to test for it, but it was from the same source who gave SWIM MDMA or MDA and good LSD, as well as four tabs of 5-Meo-DMT (I asked for some drug on blotter that could be acid but wasn't acid) which tested brown under a marquis reagent. The Ketamine felt like ketamine. SWIM poured the bag onto a record: divided it in half, then dived the halfs in half, then took half of one of the quarters and returned all the rest of the powder to the bag. SWIM took this amount (roughly 62.5mg) in four lines over the course of an hour as he felt the effects. It was boring and SWIM kept the remaining drug for about 2 months before he used it in an incredibly stupid manner. SWIM had been drinking all night at a party an undefined amount of alcohol. The band who was hosting the party were mostly on acid. SWIM felt the urge to be psychedelic. SWIM planned on a 250mg dosage. SWIM took three key bumps and then dropped the bag on his lap .. he decided that he must of dropped "half of it" because there was some powder on his jeans. SWIM key bumped the remaining powder and experienced a deep K-Hole. He was concious, yet his body was not. His friends were concerned, but his ability to tell them he was okay and just on a tranquilizer comforted them. SWIM found Ketamine to be boring and harsh (SWIM doesn't like insuffalation), but can see how people with work schedules like it (a 1-3 hour psychedelic). It brings you to interesting thoughts. In future SWIM will only use Ketamine if he tries DMT, and decides it might be a valuable combination (SWIM has heard this).

SWIM also tried cocaine twice (found it to be short-acting and in no way superior to a nice dose of Guarana and some Yerba Mate) and doesn't plan to use it again unless he finds Coca leaf. SWIM also tried heroin (unidentified minty powder) in two very, very small lines (cautious of heroin) and found it to make him feel sick and slow-minded. SWIM enjoyed codeine and oxycodone more, but not enough to use them recreationally ever again. The big issue was they seem to impair mental function in a real way. Thoughts do not flow, movements are sloppy. Poppy tea was the most fun, but the police caught SWIM with marijuana and stomped it in the pavement (only time SWIM has had police find drugs on him). SWIM would try Opium if he had a source for it, but does not enjoy opiates and doesn't understand their addiction potential (and doesn't want to wander any closer to finding out). SWIM has also used Dexedrine 15mg XR. He doses 30-60mg and LOVES them, but has stopped use because he knows dopaminergic stimulants are more neurotoxic and addictive than anything else basically. He was able to stop more easily because he experiences a horrendous crash (something he doesn't experience when 5HTP and nutritious food are eaten before, and after an MDMA dose), the wost jaw clenching ever, and it lasts about 15 hours which is far too long to be on speed. (I think this is because I usually took two separate doses 30mg then either 15mg or 30mg again three hours later and they were sustained release spansules. Crushing of these spansules did not seem to shorten the experience.

In summary SWIM has used:

---LSD
---Psilocybe Cubensis, Psilocybe Cyanesens, Unidentified Psilocybes
---Powder and crystalline MDMA, MDA, and probably MDEA
---"MDMA Tablet" (4 times total. first time it was probably caffeine and maybe a SMALL dose of MDA, it was not tested for MDxx, 2nd time it was GREAT MDMA (tested black under marquis, 3rd time I only insuffalated a 1/4 tablet and didn't feel much (not tested), 4th time it felt like MDA with a supreme amount of energy so I think it was probably MDA/Methamphetamine (not tested)
---Peruvian Torch (eaten directly, water/lemonade tea, powderised and encapsulated [30 capsules to a dose])
---Dextroamphetamines
---5-Meo-AMT (bitter brown salty blotter paper, VERY WEAK at 1 blotter, moderately psychedelic at 2 blotters felt like stimulated lsd without the profound realizations)
---DXM
---Ketamine
---Tobacco (hates cigarettes, and chewing tobacco, but LOVES Shisha in a nice hookah pipe, and the odd spliff rolled with good cigar-quality tobacco)
---Cocaine, Heroin, Oxycodone, Codeine

SWIM has combined:

---Syrian Rue 3g, with 2g Psilocybe Cubensis:AWESOME
---Mushrooms (cyanescens and cubensis) with either MDMA or MDA (the latter of which is SWIMs favourite, from only one experience)
---LSD with MDA, MDMA, and dextroamphetamines. LSD and MDA was the only worthwhile. SWIM advises against LSD+amphetamines the experience is akin to going absolutely crazy.
---MDMA,MDA with hashish or oral marijuana cookies. Very good combination and possibly neuroprotective.
---30g P. Torch, 150mg MDMA, 125mg MDA.
---15g P. Torch with 10 blotters of LSD (SWI got sick eating the cactus chunks and just wanted to trip so he downed the acid mistaking the 10 for 6, he realised it was 10 as he put it in his mouth and decided to just run with it instead of removing saliva-tainted blotters from his mouth.

I apologize for the length of this introduction, but I had no idea where to start. I felt it was neccessary to share my knowledge of psychoactives, and the mistakes that I have witnessed. SWIM is lucky to of seen the places that he has without doing any perceivable harm to himselff. Sometimes I feel SWIM was a little crazy to experiment with all that over only 3 years (and most of it in the first 2), but he always approached it from a rational--safety first persepective. He was not afriad to ask me to look something up for him if he needed some assistance. SWIM hardly drinks these days, but he does occasionally use MDxx. It is a guilty pleasure that with adequate supply of Yerba Mate, Guarana and Kola Nuts he knows he can stop. He does not however regret anything he has used, and is thankful to have this much empirical experience. He often informs others on the safety profiles of drugs they are not familiar with. SWIM still considers mescaline, psilocybin, and MDA infinitely useful substances that should be treated with great respect, but also used when the need is felt. SWIM enjoys LSD but does not think it has anything left to offer him. He will experience DMT when he feels ready, but his life feels abnormally long having taken all the above in only 3 years. He feels the DMT trip requires a little more "packing" so to speak.
 
I'm pretty surprised you got that from my thread. Its like a damn book. Or right it probably says right under my name, eh? Its all good. Totally LOVE it. The mountains, the trees, the rivers! THE OCEAN where I live. It is difficult to be more than a couple hours (if not far less) from some beautiful peice of nature here. That and the ganja.
 
are you in Vancouver? Im in vancouver but I want to get to the island. I lived in tofino for a while and that was perfect..as long as I have a beach though right close by where I can skimboard im good.

Basically the whole west coast to BC is freaking paradise..with some AMAZING trance parties and raves.

The cyanescenes are one of my favorite things about BC:d
 
Welcome! :)

This was a long introduction indeed but I enjoyed reading it and getting a peek at your experience and life..

I appreciate that you seem quite rational and self-critical, as well as generally respectful. I am a bit concerned at the fact that most substances you have been consuming are bought with a dealer, which is problematic because you just cant know the purity (maybe the marquis test will show you there is a particular class of substance inside but wont tell you about other possible impurities or wont be very exact), and also because of potential legal dangers. So be very careful with that please. (also this is a bit of common sense and im sure you realize, but I just have to make it explicit here: be sure not to discuss prices or sources of illegal substances in the forum)

Though I see the potential value of some of the synthetics you use, and am particularly fond of LSD, personally, I am generally more interested in psychedelics coming from natural sources, both in their crude/unextracted presentations (specially mushrooms and ayahuasca), but also the purified alkaloids. Appart from the simple fact one will know much better the purity of the product when personally making the extraction and purification, also one creates a very special bond to the substances (imo). At least personally I can say I feel soooo much better taking something I extracted with food safe products, for example, then having to purchase some chemical from some dealer that was made with god knows what chemicals and has god knows what impurities.

So I strongly suggest you do check out into extracting mescaline, for example (as you seem interested in cactus but havent had a strong experience with it yet). Also you talk about being a bit more careful about trying DMT, which is understandable. But if you enjoy orally taken substances, maybe ayahuasca can be a good introduction to the world of DMT.

Anyways, glad to have you here! Be sure to check out all our knowledge tools here appart from the forum, such as the WIKI, the health and safety section and the FAQ. Feel free to post around, to share your experiences and knowledge, and to ask whatever you havent found an answer for or that you want to know what others in this forum thinka bout. Ill be glad to read whatever you post in the future.

See you around :)
 
Vancouver Island. I've been to Tofino once, but loved it.

Psilocybe Cyanescenes my favourite parts as well, although I only once found them in the wild (and that patch has since been destroyed by development which saddens me).

It's just the beauty of the glorious caramel cap shining at you telling you I AM NOT POISON PROMISE! and the way they stain blue as soon as you touch them .. just ooozing psilocybin (or maybe its psilocin because its being oxidized, but either way).

Oh what a halloween ... SWIM seriously underestimated the potentcy of fresh vs. dried mushrooms. Eating 21 fresh grams while thinking (hey its 2.1 dried; i usually eat 1.2-2.5g) and woah i felt aztec gods speaking to me in pure imagery. SWIM says it felt incredibly more potent than 2.5g dried. SWIM could not handle the halloween parties he visited; sort of freaked out (SWIM rarely have paranoid reactions), but SWIM enjoyed it nevertheless and just needed a silent peaceful place and my back yard was quite sufficient.
 
Indeed that has always been a worry for SWIM. He sort of took it upon himself to find befriend dealers to acquisition such synthetics and share them with friends who were less scrupulous.. a purity-seeking-journey, SWIM has noticed most outwardly obvious effects of overdoing MDMA in people who use tablets. SWIM does know that powders can be adulterated almost as easily as tablets. SWIM used to find MDMA in actual tiny VERY ROCKY crystals, SWIM would hurt badly if he insuffalated these. SWIM liked these days because he knew it can't be very easy to add filler to chunky crystals that look like cocaine freebase (but have the effect of MDxx), but for marketing reasons SWIM thinks dealers started powderising crystals and mixing with filler. SWIM found most people thought crystals were "dirty".

SWIMs methodology is that MDMA is a good dose at 125mg, and MDA usually at 100mg. SWIM normally tastes that amount as part of his purity-seeking-journey. If SWIM must eat 150mg MDMA to get the effect of a "single dose"; SWIM then believes his MDMA is 80% pure. If SWIM really wants to know he takes about 40mg and sees if he feels any effect; if he doesn't it can't be 100% pure. SWIM knows this is guess-work, but has taken to stashing away pure doses to use in the future as he is trying to completely curb current MDMA usage; and culmative tolerance makes this purity-test more difficult. SWIM also knows certain isomers make differences in the neurotoxicity and dosage, and has no effective way of knowing this so your point remains a solid one. SWIM wishes the Gas Chromotography tests available at some portuguese festivals were available in his area, but has resorted to methods such as the above in absence of better methods. For the time being SWIM relies on knowing his dealer personally, smoking ganja with him and discussing love and life. SWIMs dealer is older than him and seems to have his head together (as 'together' as you can be after DMT trips, LSD, and MDMA) and uses substances about as infrequently as SWIM does. SWIM knows this isn't an assertation of purity, but the consistency with which his source provides 80%+ purity (last batch of MDA is 99% SWIM thinks; found it very potent and a chunky very crystalline powder versus the more flour like texture of most MDMA) comforts him. SWIM doesn't know anything about prices of illicit chemicals or at least doesn't share it with me ;)

SWIM tries to turn on as many people as possible to responsible use of methylated amphetamines (what he considers to be the sort of dose vs. weight consciousness as I have discussed above), but most people are too bothered to use liquid measurment to get an accurate dosage and instead rely on things like it smelling like liquorice and being called "sassafras". SWIM finds this disconcerting, and while he tries to say it in a kind tone, calls their statements wrong and tries to encourage them to seek education. SWIM knows sassafras is a plant, and (WILL NOT DISCUSS SYNTHESIS) has no profound psychoactive effects from extraction alone.

SWIM understands your preference for organic psychedelics. At one point SWIM was (and is actually) convinced he could give up all synthetics if only he had easy access to a few Khat plants (Khat leaves are illegal in Canada), Guarana seeds, Kola Nuts. SWIM already has access to psilocybin mushrooms, P. Torch, and MHRB. These definitely replace any synthetic psychedelic. SWIM finds LSD doesn't do it for him anymore, because SWIM likes the (however mild) stimulation of mescaline. SWIM has had an INCREDIBLY potent mescaline trip, its just that he hasn't been able to repeat that--tea seemed ineffective, he puked or had it run through him when he tried to ingest it capsulated or "dissolved" in orange juice like his local shaman suggested. SWIM prefers the warmed feelings of Peruvian Torch and Psilocybes to LSD; he values LSD, but feels he has very little use for it anymore. SWIM is convinced LSD let him become less obsessive over details, he became more present in the moment and aware of his feelings. SWIM's P. Torch experience was the most intense hallucinogenic experience he has ever felt. The plateau went on forever, and the imagery was so rich and colourful. He was pleasantly, but not over-stimulated. SWIMs only regret was that he was too close to civilization and his friends wanted to return home the next morning when SWIM was definately not anywhere near baseline. The highways and cars felt like grotesque, SCREAMING machines. As he walked under an overpass SWIM though Jet Fighters were in the sky and fell to the ground seeking cover .. before quickly realizing his ears were playing tricks on him. There was definitely and aural effect. The only synthetic SWIM would not gladly replace for an organic compound is MDA--its empathy is too rich for words. SWIM intends to experience 2CE, 2CB, and 2CT7 in his lifetime, but is not intent on researching them past a micro dose, a middle dose, and a breakthrough dose; and definately not in a recreational/habitual manner. SWIM values shulgins work and wishes he were a chemist such as he.
 
i enjoyed swims story!! nice hearing folks still have plenty opportunity to find good stuffs out there :):)....another 'swim' i know enjoyed 2ce a middle dose should have done both capsules to get the breakthrough......only did it that one time and the other capsule a week later... an opportunity came along to get two capsules and was warned only do one so 'swim' only did one it was nice but i should have done em both at same time to get breakthrough...
..best wishes in your endeavors

interesting experiences
lsd blotter and on sugar cubes back in the day still do blotter or gel tabs if i find em..
weeds of sorts and salvia current
sunshine mescaline microdots back in the day loved those days
xtacy didn't like it too much though
coke and crack don't do it no more...
alcohol very seldom anymore
snorted and smoked h but being i hate needles never did anything using one and don't mess with that since i was a teen
crystal and angel dust and other stuff god knows what i don't do anymore
oh and ayahuasca went to peru to tour around and do ayahuasca ceremonies which i'd love to go back and dig deeper the rabbit hole with ......
now herbs shrooms and paper when available and time and place is right
soul food does a body mind and spirit good
 
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