Full DMT trip on only.... MDMA? What the actual fuck.

[reachingfortherand]

I had originally posted this on reddit but it got taken down by the galaxy brained mods because apparently it has nothing to do with DMT. There's so much censorship on there these days... anyway on with the story:


I just had a pretty wild experience. At the peak of a 300mg MDMA solo roll, I noticed I'm getting CEVs. Naturally I turned the music off and went in a dark room to explore.

Well, what happened was 30 minutes of a full blown DMT trip (but nothing like a breakthrough, I could open my eyes and snap out of it). Not only did it have the subdued reds/yellows/browns I always got on DMT, but it had DMT patterns as well as shipibo patterns. This place felt so familiar. This was happening in my mind's eye and when I would close my eyes my consciousness/vision would shift an inch or two above and it felt like I was looking out of my forehead. Extremely crisp and detailed hyper-real experience typical on DMT. Realer than real.

An entity came through that seemed neutral/benevolent (at least to me because I was full of molly love) so I started interacting with it. I felt like I understood everything and whatever question I asked, the answer was instantly downloaded to me intuitively. I felt like I had a computer brain for a few minutes. I just wish I could remember exactly what happened or what it said, but as we all know it fades so quick and I was far from sober. I don't remember any sounds other than my ears ringing.

Here's the strangest part - I haven't touched DMT in about 4 years after a really bad breakthrough where I got attacked and possessed. Not only that, but I haven't done any psychedelics and barely did any drugs since. I rolled about 3 times this year (others around 200mg total) and that's the extent of my drug use in the last 4 years. I don't even drink or smoke weed. The roll was out of the exact same rock/batch as I've had for years (20+ rolls), nothing has changed here. I should also add that while I don't have a particularly harsh MDMA comedown the days after normally, this time I had zero comedown. I feel great which is not normal for me after such a dose.

So what the fuck? Has anyone else experienced something like this? I feel like DMT installed some kind of access point in my mind and now anything remotely psychedelic I use will bring me back to hyperspace.

 

[Transform]

300 mg is a pretty hefty dose. Some of that gets metabolised to MDA, which may be responsible for the visual effects since the more MDMA you take, the more likely it is you'll end up with an active (hallucinogenic/psychedelic) dose of MDA being produced in your body. If you're already familiar with the effects of DMT, it could well be that a conditioned response occurred, thus causing you to perceive the effects as being akin to those of DMT.

Upping your usual dose by 50% can only be expected to produce a few crazy effects. The lack of comedown is something of a curiosity, though - have you any kind of supplement regime that you follow to take the edge off things?

There's also a possibility that you got an anomalous tablet in among your stash - I doubt they were produced under GMP conditions, for one thing, and over the course of years I've occasionally encountered pills that were unaccountably trippy as well.

Take care, and test your substances!

 

[reachingfortherand]

300 mg is a pretty hefty dose. Some of that gets metabolised to MDA, which may be responsible for the visual effects since the more MDMA you take, the more likely it is you'll end up with an active (hallucinogenic/psychedelic) dose of MDA being produced in your body. If you're already familiar with the effects of DMT, it could well be that a conditioned response occurred, thus causing you to perceive the effects as being akin to those of DMT.

Upping your usual dose by 50% can only be expected to produce a few crazy effects. The lack of comedown is something of a curiosity, though - have you any kind of supplement regime that you follow to take the edge off things?

There's also a possibility that you got an anomalous tablet in among your stash - I doubt they were produced under GMP conditions, for one thing, and over the course of years I've occasionally encountered pills that were unaccountably trippy as well.

Take care, and test your substances!

I appreciate the reply!

I'm well aware of MDA conversion and I'm sure that's what contributed to CEVs, the thing that weirded me out was just how much like DMT it was. I've done tons of psychedelics and they all have their own "flavor" of the experience unless you approach extreme doses, and this had DMT written all over it. A conditioned/trauma response would explain this using the psychological model, but I'm of the belief that there's more to psychedelics. I also practice things of a more occult nature; I have no doubt there's spirits present in my space - after all, I invite them in. Not to mention I've seen enough sober things to make anyone go "huh", as well as having other sober people experience weird things around me. Are they in our mind or are they external forces? Who knows, but my humble opinion is that both those things are true.

The lack of comedown is indeed curious, and the MDMA is out of the same 1 oz rock I have. It's pure crystal and I crush/weigh my own capsules because I like knowing exactly what I take. There's zero chance it was something other than what I've rolled on 20+ times over the past decade. I've tested this batch when I got it. No changes in anything including supplements, diet or lifestyle.

The roll before this one, I took 120mg total in the night and I've had the WORST comedown I've ever had on MDMA + the shortest/worst roll I've ever had. I attribute it to the glass of fresh squeezed grapefruit juice I had that morning and had forgotten about. It was a week or two of pure misery and depression.

It's now been 4 days since and I still feel amazing, just had an insanely productive day!

 

[universecannon]

I'd probably lose my mind on 300mg mdma. That's a huge dose for almost anyone. 150mg has me swimming in a painting like I've taken a lot of lsd. But I'm not a fan of the audio hallucinations or the next day hangover.

Some just get more psychedelic effects than others, due to a wide variety of factors

 

[Transform]

I'd probably lose my mind on 300mg mdma. That's a huge dose for almost anyone. 150mg has me swimming in a painting like I've taken a lot of lsd. But I'm not a fan of the audio hallucinations or the next day hangover.

Some just get more psychedelic effects than others, due to a wide variety of factors

I can barely imagine what it must be like, mostly because an estimated 250mg had me seemingly teleporting from one party area to another at some festival or other, with slighty scary gaps in between.

Needless to say, the following day was a bit difficult (mostly because it was too searingly hot to do anything and I was stuck hiding under a chair with nothing but a punnet of blueberries and some dry granola). It really felt like I lost a few brain cells that day

 

[reachingfortherand]

I can barely imagine what it must be like, mostly because an estimated 250mg had me seemingly teleporting from one party area to another at some festival or other, with slighty scary gaps in between.

Needless to say, the following day was a bit difficult (mostly because it was too searingly hot to do anything and I was stuck hiding under a chair with nothing but a punnet of blueberries and some dry granola). It really felt like I lost a few brain cells that day

It was pretty chill because I was at home relaxing on the sofa. If I was moving around and sweating taking over 200 mg total makes me insanely uncomfortable and fucked up. I'll drink 15 cups of water and I'll feel like I have brain damage after.

I remember when I was a substance noob I had the genius idea to take about 325-330 mg all at once to see what the come up is like. Thankfully I was at home. I was so fucked up I couldn't even keep my eyes open, I'd get the eye shakes plus brain zaps. That's the only time I felt brain zaps. I still felt good, but at the same time I felt like I was having mini seizures every few seconds and it was concerning. That was out of the same batch of rock and I don't recall any DMT space, entities, or extremely vivid CEVs. I'm sure I was getting some form of hallucination but not like a few days ago. I keep a log/journal and I would have definitely mentioned something like that. I'm usually very sensitive to substances and I only weigh 150 lbs, but for some reason I can handle a lot of molly and I don't have a proper roll unless I approach the 200mg+ range.

My point/concern/amazement is that I think DMT may have possibly altered my psychedelic trips permanently. I don't feel like playing around with them any longer, at least at this point in my life. It's too uncontrollable and unpredictable to be useful for me. From what I've experienced occult practices are another path to unfolding reality and that's been my obsession for the last 2 years.

 

[Transform]

Sounds like you're a fast metaboliser, perhaps through stronger than usual expression of CYP2D6, since weaker expression of this enzyme has been strongly implicated in hypersensitivity to MDMA toxicity. Your grapefruit-associated hangover seems to suggest that CYP3A4 would also be playing an important role in your 'superpower'. This would be a good reason for the average person not to attempt emulation of your heroic doses!

Soooo… yes, it has been reported, multiple times, that people find their trips being more or less permanently altered after a period of DMT usage. This could be due to some particular aspect of DMT neuroplastic action leading to a rewiring of part of the neurological cascade that forms the basis of the subjective effects of other psychedelics. It would also bear noting that MDA has something of a reputation of producing convincingly lifelike hallucinations (which reminds me of another story of my early raving days!)

Having an indefinite break from psychedelics is a totally reasonable thing to do - indeed, many of us here have done exactly that at times. Did your occult studies commence before or after you stopped using psychedelics?

 

[reachingfortherand]

Sounds like you're a fast metaboliser, perhaps through stronger than usual expression of CYP2D6, since weaker expression of this enzyme has been strongly implicated in hypersensitivity to MDMA toxicity. Your grapefruit-associated hangover seems to suggest that CYP3A4 would also be playing an important role in your 'superpower'. This would be a good reason for the average person not to attempt emulation of your heroic doses!

Soooo… yes, it has been reported, multiple times, that people find their trips being more or less permanently altered after a period of DMT usage. This could be due to some particular aspect of DMT neuroplastic action leading to a rewiring of part of the neurological cascade that forms the basis of the subjective effects of other psychedelics. It would also bear noting that MDA has something of a reputation of producing convincingly lifelike hallucinations (which reminds me of another story of my early raving days!)

Having an indefinite break from psychedelics is a totally reasonable thing to do - indeed, many of us here have done exactly that at times. Did your occult studies commence before or after you stopped using psychedelics?

I started getting deep into occult studies last year, about 3 years after that DMT trip from hell. It was a hyperslap, alien surgery and full possession by the entity all in one off a single 50mg vape hit. I think I posted on here about that happening if you're curious. I had really weird events happen afterwards during my sober day to day life and I fully believe it was more than a trip. I let something through and it wasn't something good. From what I read on reddit those types of experiences are not uncommon and the mods over there are working overtime to censor any mention of something like that off the sub. You would think DMT users would be more open minded to question any aspect of reality but apparently it's all psychological and that's the end of that over there.

Truth be told I've had odd paranormal events happen to me since childhood even though they were rare. I even got to witness some really weird events with a bunch of friends and family who have never experienced anything like that before. The look of pure terror on someone's face when something starts moving for 30 seconds right in front of them is somewhat comedic to me now since I'm used to the experience. I had people joke around that I'm haunted but it really helped to let me know I'm not going insane. Having that confirmation from others when unexplainable things were experienced was crucial.

After that DMT breakthrough I did a 180 and stopped all drug use. That was about 4 years ago and I only started using some of the party substances from time to time this year. After this last roll I might just go back to being fully sober 100% of the time though. For the first bit of that 4 year period I was looking heavily into typical Christianity to banish whatever the hell I had invited to follow me and needless to say I think the modern understanding of that is flawed at best. Prayer both worked and didn't work, and that wasn't good enough for me. I've had various events during my life when I was sure I manifested something, somehow, so that got me thinking. I decided to go solo travel Europe for most of last year since that would provide unlimited random manifestation pathways as opposed to being locked in the same routine. I've had various successes and failures. Early this year I started really digging into occult and esoteric ideas and putting many of them into practice. Again, various successes and failures but one thing I'm sure of is that the possibility for some of the results to come organically (without magick) is basically zero. There definitely IS something more to reality and it's in my curious nature to try to figure it out. It was extremely hard for me to let go of fear and dogma and dig into this stuff since there's been a lot of modern Christian ideas pushed into my head as a child. I'm treading very carefully because I think it can potentially be very dangerous to oneself and others. If we can entertain the idea that these beings are potentially real, already being noticed by them by doing clandestine magical work can potentially go very sideways if adding something uncontrollable and unpredictable like psychedelics into the mix. To what extent they are real I'm not sure of, since all is mind, but I do believe they are both outside ourselves and part of ourselves at the same time. I also want to add I don't think Christianity is wrong, the problem is that it's extremely misinterpreted and that's really sad to see. What can be an excellent way to transform yourself and commune with the divine has been reduced to... you already know.

So I guess while DMT isn't the only thing that made me question reality, my last breakthrough was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was the worst and best thing (in terms of growth) I've ever experienced despite leaving some deep mental scars. It was pretty much inevitable that I'd go down this path at some point in my life. Life's a fucking trip!

The one thing that really sucks is that it leaves me an outsider. There's no one I can talk about it with besides the internet and even though I have a really good normie life inside I feel lonely as hell. There's no way to tell anyone about any of these experiences, DMT included, unless they experience it first hand.

 

[donfoolio]

Dmt space is becoming home after several ingestions for mamy people I spoke to.

After hundreds of trips with Ayahuasca, smoalked dmt and jurema, I access these realms easily with any other drug, even stuff like ketamine.

These seems pretty common. After, the reason why this is so, conditioning, trauma response, projection, spirit invoking or whatsoever, you may choose by your own.