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Fully breathrough with pharma "everything an more"

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SWIM
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SWIM's account of his somewhat accidental full breakthrough with pharma. It was to test to potency of oral vs sublingual, though SWIM was unfamiliar with the graph of dose vs effect, seems (at least to SWIM) that it is exponential, or quadratic or something. I previously tried 120mg sublinguall with harmalas and expected something slightly more with the increase of dose, He's still not sure whether it was the oral route or dose that was the route of his misjudgment,

Nonetheless, here is the account

24th feb 2010


oral test for full-spec pharma underway. 160mg harmalas + vinegar mixed with 150mg full spec acetates.

9:27am
I can't believe I've been taking this sublingually and I never taste how wretched it is. It is bitter and nasty and gross and lingery.

9:30am
I already feel like purging...

9:33am
Stomach seems to have settled........ odd.

1:07pm

Well I left this world. I was one, I was eternity, I was infinity, I WAS EVERYHING.

Nothing made sense, nothing worked, nothing would let it pass but TIME.

TIME, TIME, TIME.


Intensity and overflow were taken to a whole new level.

I'd experienced psychedics before. Broke through on Salvia and DMT helped me connect.

BUT NOT, NOTHING NOTHING can compare to a full breakthrough with pharma.

Whether I died or not had no meaning at all.

I just sat there drifting, trying to figure out these 4-5 different experiences. They didn't make sense at all but that was all I had.

As I tried to cling onto something from the "real" world they seemed to just drift off.

I clung on for a long while, It was cycling through these odd dimensions that took up the most of it.

Even when I gave up trying to cling onto visials, Lucky, Aila, Yareni.
It was still intense beyond anything I could imagine.

I remember trying to think like I would be now, I knew that I would be down in an hour or so, I knew what I would be thinking, but that pharma kept holding me.

I thnk I need some pondering into what it all meant, but it was amazing.

lets try and get as much of it down as I can, I am FULL of endorphens and pretty upbeat right now, though signifacantly higher than and sublingual test.

I made my way to the park when it started to get strong, I really expected something similar to 3-4 grams of cubensis shrooms but man it was WAY WAY MORE.

I sat in a swing, it was cool, actually quite cold an damp, I didn't mind at the time.

It was as I looked at that tree, I tried to see it fractalize and I was like "whoa. it's kicking in!" I closed my eyes and had 3 different DMT breakthoughs with 180+ vision and mostly shape, several full-bodied female entities. I was getting pretty cold and damp though.

As I felt the need to return home it was imensely difficult.

I found a tree and tried to purge, there was nothing though, it was however really awkward forcing a purge in the middle of a park, though I was far to forgone, nonetheless i retreated without a purge.

As I looked around everything was stretching, it seemed like I was getting no headway although I assured myself that was impossible.

I was immese how insense jsut walking could be, the OEVs were ALL OVER, everything seen in CEVs on mescaline were seen as OEVS!!!!!!

As I came home I knew that slowing down as sitting would likely make it worse, so I figured since time was so confusing I had to pace it with a tv-episode. I chose a grey-s anatomy episode I had prevously watched.

Although I had the episode I simply could not watch It, I could however acurated predict what everyone would say, haha.

I am so glowing with afterglow it is RIDICULOUS. Much terror at the peak = so happy to be sober (I REALLY REALLY enjoy sober life anyway)

Anyawy I just kept having these crazy chatter that would not stop. But steadily the words just kept from making sense.

Everything was a OEV-tracing mess I closed my eyes and everything was DMT, there wasn't a whole lot of difference of open eyes and closed eyes, As I opened my eyes the visuals would extend, my vision extending beyond 180 degrees, it was CRAZY. The intensity and feeling of impending doom was far to much to enjoy at all. I was wretchly terrified.

as soon as the episode stopped I feared putting on a new episode because of how I couldn't read the screen of my computer like when I put the episode on.

I got up and tried to purge, I got a little out, probably most of it.

I paced around my small room stating "why doesn't anything work, nothing makes sense! Nothing works... nothing WORKS!"

As I sat down in the silence I heared music in my ears immense auditory halucinations that in fact coasted me through the trip, If it wasn't for them I surely would have been MUCH more terrified.

As the words dissapears so did me ego, I knew that i should exist, but there was no way that I felt it.

Even since the moment I entered my house I was rambling "NEVER. NEVER again!"

as this point I pretty much accepted that I had taken the dose I had, there was a lot of visuals and chatter of DMT.

The whole thing did have a salvia-like flavor this may have been since I had only had one breakthough which was a ridiculously high 175mg of 10x. I was craving to have a ridiculous experience and it ripped me apart. I fought the ego-dissolving which ended up in 45 minutes of terror followed by 2 days of fearing the feeling would come back.

Nonetheless as an athlete I have to tendency of needing to be broken down a few pegs before getting to cocky.

Anyway on several psychedelics I had random "flashback" which are not forced but odd abilities to connect with memories that were forgot.

On this breakthough I was remembering a lot of the aspects of it.

Anyway I got locked into this cycle of going through this seemingly meaningless array of I really can't describe them in a better term as "experiences" I think it was really was my ego still trying to hold one, one of them I think was when I re-discovered my tounge.

Now that I think about it... it seems that all of the experiences have a body part attached to it. IT seems that each experience is just a re-discovery of diffrent bodyparts, my connection to reality...


I really knew that on psychedelics you have to "let go" at this dose but I was really un-familiar with the lenght and IMMENSE INTENSITY of this full breakthough. I really was scared I might never return. It was really long so I never did.

The reason for this trip I believe I forgot to mention was a test of comparison between sublingual pharma and oral pharma.

I was not familiar with the seemingly exponetial growth of intensity. I still think though that sublingual is almost equal, possibly a bit less that the oral, nonetheless I KNOW my next test will be sublingual, the "sickly" feeling could have been done withough.

Anyway, back to the trip ,forgive me I am still very high, like the afterglow after smoking dmt but it just keeps on going!

Anyway the trip cycled through vast arrays of nonesense, at several moments chatter consisted of things like this

"I am one, am I one, how do you know, what it infinity.... If I am one, is everyone one. OH MY GOD THIS IS INTESE, UGGGGGGHHHHHH. *relaxes*
Whoa it's still going.... why do these words make no sense, ego.... ego loss, Is my ego lost? Oh... there is my nose. "

Although i never had any success in forcing open-eyed halucination, I've never gotten that kind of stuff anyway, there was nothing i could not visualize with closed eyes, though still open or closed eyes were just a cycling between these "experiences"

Yep, that kind of stuff went on for at least an hour, maybe 2, it fell longer than anything ever imagine....

Slow, VERY slowly it started to slow, it was all feeling I felt that I needed the same movie that I watched on a very intense accidental sub-breakthough with pharma. Ratatoille. Although my high was still very intense I felt my ego taking hold and the afterglow was making me smile.

About 20 minute into the film I felt the NEED to write. as i started though I was shaken trying to remember so I opened my roomies door, he didn't know because I didn't think I would be 1/4 as high as I was.

I walked in and I said.... "I... I need a hug!"
He very confusingly (since I am not a big guy-hugger) was like, "OH BUDDY!"

I just took a breath and told him "pharma is ROUGH, pharma is FUCKING ROUGH" I tried to reccount a bit but we agreed (he's a tripper too) that I should right it because I was positively in the correct state to do so. (he may have been looking at porn... lol. Maybe that was the odd respone I got.)

Anyway I sat down an wrote all this shit. I hope somebody reads all of it and maybe learns a bit about other's experiences and maybe it convinces some people to better measure their doses :p

Cheers, love and one-ness to all!

Pardon the odd spacing, notepad doesn't copy-paste well....
 
nice report..just picturing you stumbling somewhere around our beautful city peaking on pharma, breaking through and trying to puke in the park:d

making me excited for my weekly aya ceremony tonight...

Im glad there are others here:d
 
Wow, that sounds like an intense oral DMT trip. I've never done more than 125mg, but it can definitely take you places. It's strange how lower doses of pharma can bring you deep into daydreams, but the higher doses can take you far away into the reaches of hyperspace. Cool report, thanks for sharing.
 
q21q21 said:
gammagore said:
sounds intense.

will you venture down that road again?

maybe not that far.... maybe... SWIM's work with pharma is not done.

Cool report, thanks.

My swim is way done with heavy pharma even though he's only done it 3 times. Its too long and too intense for him. He really loves the 10 minute smoking interludes with intense total breakthrus knowing that he'll be right back in a few minutes, but he can't take that ongoing body load and intensity for hours at a time. Maybe he'll do VERY light pharma in the future, but only enough for really light buzzes from now on.
 
"I am one, am I one, how do you know, what it infinity.... If I am one, is everyone one. OH MY GOD THIS IS INTESE, UGGGGGGHHHHHH. *relaxes*
Whoa it's still going.... why do these words make no sense, ego.... ego loss, Is my ego lost? Oh... there is my nose. "

:lol: Yeah that inner dialogue can get almost nonsensical when its trying to deal

Nice report!
 
Great courage ! .. great report ! ... and I bet you'll consider another trip ... 'soon'.. !

Was it the MAOI combo that caused the loopiness ..? More harmine than Tetrahydro Harmine .?

I have been there too , using syrian rue as MAOI, and 150 mg dmt freebase. ... loop-de-loops the filters are off .. one single bodily sensation replayed 1000 times ... and connected to 1000 other similar or wtf? ideas memories ...

It became overwhelming ... but soon slowed, or mellowed if I climbed into the warm bath I had drwan. If I thought of "sweetness" Water was sooo sweet ... 1000 distinct 'levels' of sweetness rolled by .. ! I could sometimes 'guide' myself to pleasant 'loops' of experience/memory/thought .. the hot bath water was one orgiastic place to mellow out!
 
El Ka Bong said:
Great courage ! .. great report ! ... and I bet you'll consider another trip ... 'soon'.. !

Was it the MAOI combo that caused the loopiness ..? More harmine than Tetrahydro Harmine .?

I have been there too , using syrian rue as MAOI, and 150 mg dmt freebase. ... loop-de-loops the filters are off .. one single bodily sensation replayed 1000 times ... and connected to 1000 other similar or wtf? ideas memories ...

It became overwhelming ... but soon slowed, or mellowed if I climbed into the warm bath I had drwan. If I thought of "sweetness" Water was sooo sweet ... 1000 distinct 'levels' of sweetness rolled by .. ! I could sometimes 'guide' myself to pleasant 'loops' of experience/memory/thought .. the hot bath water was one orgiastic place to mellow out!

oh snap, that was rue. How did you find THH or caapi different, SWIM has THH but wasn't planning to break through so didn't want to use his small amount.
 
who was it that coined the term "warrior medicine"?

That's rue alright. Demons and vomit in a progressively shorter reality loop x infinity :) But it sure has some stories to tell :)
 
Just a quick update: SWIM had immense troubles sleeping the following night. The next day he was slightly fatigued, but not too much.

The one thing is that he is feeling sober life is much less real than before. It is really odd and he's not quite sure what to think about it.
He is reading Leary's "the psychedelic experience" and has a few books lined up. But man! SWIM usually gets right on a couple days after a trip but he is still shaken....
 
^ an overly intense session can do that to a person. I think it is normal to feel a bit detached and in a less real world after such a powerful experience.

Give yourself a bit more time to integrate your experience.

However, I can truly say that both DMT and Aya (sub. pharma) are both life changing events.
 
Thanks for writing this up. How did you end up at that dose?
Have you been trying Pharma to get the dose right a few times recently?

IVe had several experiences like this, utter face melters that i was un prepared for. Although they can truly shake you to the core, its not something you need to feel shaky about. Takes a while longer to relocate your ego, but thats not a bad thing.

Try and step away from this and use it as a base for re-invention. As a launchpad for building yourself from the ground up.
Where there any particularly strong themes or visions?? Well yes there must have been. But did you get any particular narrative out of it? Or was it fractal chaos?

I too have had the 'everything is broken' feeling on STRONG trips.
I believe its caused by tripping just a little to hard a little too fast. Sometimes with the same intensity but a slower come up things can be fine. The mind manifests the experience gradually and although it doesnt have control, it certainly shapes the exp. With a fast come up the mind is trying to make sense of the exp and trying to organize thoughts feelings and senses, while being completely altered by the substance. This is what i think causes the 'nothing works' feelings.

You sound just fine.
Maybe sketch some thing that you saw for us to look at?
 
xtechre said:
Thanks for writing this up. How did you end up at that dose?
Have you been trying Pharma to get the dose right a few times recently?

IVe had several experiences like this, utter face melters that i was un prepared for. Although they can truly shake you to the core, its not something you need to feel shaky about. Takes a while longer to relocate your ego, but thats not a bad thing.

Try and step away from this and use it as a base for re-invention. As a launchpad for building yourself from the ground up.
Where there any particularly strong themes or visions?? Well yes there must have been. But did you get any particular narrative out of it? Or was it fractal chaos?

I too have had the 'everything is broken' feeling on STRONG trips.
I believe its caused by tripping just a little to hard a little too fast. Sometimes with the same intensity but a slower come up things can be fine. The mind manifests the experience gradually and although it doesnt have control, it certainly shapes the exp. With a fast come up the mind is trying to make sense of the exp and trying to organize thoughts feelings and senses, while being completely altered by the substance. This is what i think causes the 'nothing works' feelings.

You sound just fine.
Maybe sketch some thing that you saw for us to look at?

SWIM says:

Thanks for the understanding, but as un-prepared as I was for the trip, even the largest part of it seemed like a dream. There were several moments where I felt my heartbeat and it was so slow. it seemed that every second took about 10 and I was scared to look at the clock. The terror and pure intensity in my head was crazy and I tried to remember how to enjoy things. It was at the end of the episode when I got up stating "NOTHING WORKS" I was losing it. There was no stroking my feelings in any typical sober way.

It was mass un-familiarity with this duration + intensity that made for that. My only experience close to that was with 3 very strong LSD tabs, though at that point I was able to zone out and hold onto my ego. It would drift off every minute or so, but it was not to hard to catch it. This was just as intense as no more than 3 of my strongest breakthroughs smoking DMT. Only one was for sure stronger. But the intense duration was too much to handle. 2-5 minutes in hyperspace is NOTHING. NOTHING. NOTHING. Try looking at the clock (melting) seeing 11:43 and being so forgone you cannot remember either when you took it or the dose, then feeling a new stronger wave of effects coming.

Upon lying down the chatter was going haywire and I slowly gave up trying to control it. Oddly the biggest part, the looping is so fuzzy. It just made no sense. I would just re-live these high-dose psychedelic experiences, rediscover my body and it all was understood. Now I can imagine going through them but no more than I can remember going to preschool.

This fuzziness however has happened before on smoked DMT and on subsequent journeys the pieces are recovered.

SWIM finally got a good nap it this morning and it feeling quite good. He will probably try to re-visit the state as best he can with a short breakthrough with smoked spice and rue.

By the way, there is no regret. Whether I do that dose ever again I don't know. But I am thankful for the opportunity to have that rough teacher rue knock me down a few pegs, but teach me a lot.

Sorry, SWIM has neither great talent for drawing nor writing. He's only 21 though.
 
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