Gibberish thoughts

[PhilboBaggins]

A couple of times now during my sub-breakthrough journeys, I’ve experienced total nonsensical thought processes going on. Like my internal monologue has turned to fast paced gibberish.

The last time, I started to analyse what was going on and found that I was actually still able to think normally in a kind of undercurrent of thought with the gibberish still going on over the top.

This sometimes happens when I am going to sleep at night, totally sober, I think it’s called hypnagogic hallucinations or is related to that maybe. When i was much younger and smoked weed, it happened every night I smoked.

I’ve managed to find a couple of hints at this phenomenon on the nexus but nothing substantial.

Does this happen to anyone else and would it cause you concern? Is there a name for it?

 

[Achilles]

I think I kinda know what your talking about but it’s hard to say for sure. The dialogue in my head during dmt experiences is typically focused to the point that I find myself getting lost in trails of dialogue stemming off each other. But while this is usually going on it’s like my “me” dialogue is in the background being like “wtf?” Or “calm down”. This might just be me talking in my head while Simultaneously getting lost in the crazy dmt induced thoughts. But this is definitely a cool observation and hopefully you find more information on it and keep us posted :thumb_up:

 

[FranLover]

Hi! Yes this is a possible ocurrence of dmt or changa, sometimes even shrooms. Maybe it teaches the lesson of how much we talk to ourselves...and how much of it is just noise. Achieve a state of mindfulness that is not based on thoughts, analysis, and you rid yourself of stress. A mind that is not in the habit of creating and solving problems, that is unshackled, sees more, learns more, enjoys more, and achieves a state of ease that is set on a solid foundation of inner peace and contemplation. This is what I made of the whole ordeal of thoughts on psychedelics and in life, and what I think is a state of mind that may or may not exist, but is up to one to live up to the challenge of discovering; can I live with a brain that is free?

Is there a name for it? I call it losing my mind!! I would very much like to always keep it to a degree.

In any case perhaps shift body posture, and that might cease the giberish.

 

[Achilles]

Hi! Yes this is a possible ocurrence of dmt or changa, sometimes even shrooms. Maybe it teaches the lesson of how much we talk to ourselves...and how much of it is just noise. Achieve a state of mindfulness that is not based on thoughts, analysis, and you rid yourself of stress. A mind that is not in the habit of creating and solving problems, that is unshackled, sees more, learns more, enjoys more, and achieves a state of ease that is set on a solid foundation of inner peace and contemplation. This is what I made of the whole ordeal of thoughts on psychedelics and in life, and what I think is a state of mind that may or may not exist, but is up to one to live up to the challenge of discovering; can I live with a brain that is free?

Is there a name for it? I call it losing my mind!! I would very much like to always keep it to a degree.

In any case perhaps shift body posture, and that might cease the giberish.

Like Fran said, a lot of it is noise that your creating yourself. It’s hard not to when in day to day life your completely encouraged to listen to the noise and worry and take care of responsibilities. That’s how people live they’re life is overcoming obstacles they create for themselves. This is also why you here a lot of people talk about reaching “enlightened states” by meditating and keeping they’re mind clear and why you hear about psychedelic users meditating to keep their minds clear and the voices silenced during psychedelic experiences. IMO you should try to balance the two. By society’s standards you need that voice but it can also be the main cause of anxiety towards situations. So it good to practice letting go sometimes to. Like Fran said if taken to far society’s probably gonna say your losing your mind though lol.

 

[PhilboBaggins]

Hey guys, thank you for your replies!

From my limited experience with meditation I definitely appreciate shutting that guy in my head up and dropping back to experience my true self even for brief moments. It’s difficult in regular life but I find it very pleasant when I remember, to try while walking around outside, the wind can feel wonderful when you actually feel it!

Well I’m glad it’s not a cause for concern, it wasn’t worrying or scaring me at the time but it did make me wonder if it was a sign the spice wasn’t compatible with me for some reason. I’ve found this thread which seems similar, apparently it’s a common salvia thing.

I think I’ll step the dose up a bit this weekend and see if I can get to the other side and see what happens to the gibberish then and maybe report back!

Thanks again

 

[Jega]

Just let it flow, I suspect it's a self correcting mechanism. If you really want to know what the point of it is, just ask when you're there and you will find the answer in yourself. The divine dimension improves you just by being there. It pulls you up towards its level.

 

[GoneWiththeWind]

The same exact thing happens to me. The voices feel like they are coming from your mind but are also separate from your normal stream of thought. For me it sounds like a bizarre sped up half gibberish/ half narration of what I’m doing

 

[WarpedDimension]

I kept a DMT journal for awhile when I first started with DMT. Now looking at this journal, I feel I should have continued it's use. It is interesting to read back on these pages. Anywho.. I mention this because something I wrote years ago reminded me of what you have brought up here in this thread OP. Below is the journal entry.

"Seems like a gibberish language, like some mix of everything I know. Somehow I am able to think in this language. In this language is where original thought is born. It is like something is trying to be said. Telling me something? Change your language and you will understand. Expand your language! I spoke this time asking "Why do I exist?", the language began to speak and answered. "They are always here and we are always with them as there is no division but in mind! Enable to listen and truly hear you must have no mind. No mind... listen!!"

I would write these entries straight out of a DMT trip so my handwriting and writing structure is all over the place. Looks like a kid wrote it, all over the page. So that was the journal entry. Below is my integration that I wrote the day after. It reads like a list.

What is primary is the felt presence of the experience. That felt presence is the source of love and that is our source of community.

Language is a behavior

We must have a common langauge. This language can provide a feeling of unity and safety. Saftey breeds new consciousness.

So much of what we perceive in the world is unexpressable. There are no words or symbols. We all seek spiritual communion!

There are no words there. Only experience.!

EMPTY WITH FULLNESS!!

I think that all language is developed from gibberish. Glossolalia.

Change your langauge and expand you langauge is something I think about often. It was a clear message. Glossolalia is like to primordial soup for langauge. Can I dip into this soup and find a way to express the inexpressible?

Praise to the emptiness that blanks out existence. Existence:
This place made from our love for that emptiness!

Yet somehow comes emptiness,
this existence goes.

Praise to that happening, over and over!
For years I pulled my own existence out of emptiness.

Then one swoop, one swing of the arm,
that work is over.

Free of who I was, free of presence, free of dangerous fear, hope,
free of mountainous wanting.

The here-and-now mountain is a tiny piece of a piece of straw
blown off into emptiness.

These words I'm saying so much begin to lose meaning:
Existence, emptiness, mountain, straw:

Words and what they try to say swept
out the window, down the slant of the roof.

 

[Teknoshamaani]

I've experienced that many times during intense LSD trips. Sometimes I have Felt like I have understood what they have meant, but often not. I wonder if it is the same phenomenon that some Christian people experience when they speak in tongues.