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faceyneck

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Hello, DMT world!

I'm new to this sort of thing, but not new to the forum atmosphere. I'm on the Shroomery daily, and have cultivated mushrooms for over 5 years, all skills of which I learned from the Shroomery forum.

Anyway, I'm sure this forum is no different than the Shroomery in this aspect - any question I could ask as a new DMT extracter have already been answered multiple times.

As such, I'd like to simply ask for some preferred links to literature I can read on the topic. I've checked out the Teks Wiki, and the FAQ page, though I admit I have not read through all the FAQs yet.

I'd like to find an A/B tek that utilizes another alkaline substance besides lye. I live in the US, and as the world knows my government is absurd with power and wastes hundreds of millions of dollars a year fighting two pointless and logically impossible wars, one of which is on drugs.

As such, lye is a "watched" chemical, so I either get photographed buying some in a store, or end up tracked if I buy some Online.

Any recommended reading I can have access to?
 
Hi faceyneck,

Welcome to the Nexus. Great to see you have started looking at both the FAQ and Wiki. Great resources by folks who know the territory AND can write in both the FAQ and Wiki. Well worth the time.

I am an STB user myself, but I suspect you'll have some solid recommendations in no time at all. I also live in USA and have to say that thus far, I've had no trouble ordering small shipments of lye over the internet. I am not greedy. I don't order more than about 1-2 times per year, and never from the same company within a year. I keep a few decorative, hand-made soaps around, store the lye near the kitchen sink and toilet and call it "good enough."

I hope you find the answers you are looking for. Again, welcome.
 
Hi there, welcome!

I have to second Pandora in that I live in the US and have had no trouble ordering small quantities from online sources. Like Pandora, I know the teks to make soap and keep some around the house. Also, my drains get clogged often and I store the containers in places close to the drain. Maybe I'm being naive, but this seems to cover the ground adequately for me.

Good luck in your quest!
 
If you don't want to/can't use lye, then you could buy some 'potassium hydroxide' a.k.a. 'caustic potash'.

Or even easier to find (sometimes) is 'Calcium hydroxide' a.k.a. hydrated lime, builders lime, slack lime, cal, or pickling lime. As the last common name suggests, it is used for pickling stuff and can be found in stores in the canning section, I also found it at a Thai-food store one time it was a little pricey though. You can also find it in hardware stores sold as 'hydrated lime', but check the MSDS for that product and make sure there is nothing unwanted in it.

All of these will be fine in just about every tek (if not all). I would recommend getting some pH papers though, you can find these at a pool supply store, and they come in handy. If you know what pH your solution needs to be at, the base you use dosn't really matter.

The only recommended reading I would give is the dmt-nexus, everything you need to know is all here somewhere.
 
Shrabbit420 said:
Or even easier to find (sometimes) is 'Calcium hydroxide' a.k.a. hydrated lime, builders lime, slack lime, cal, or pickling lime. As the last common name suggests, it is used for pickling stuff and can be found in stores in the canning section, I also found it at a Thai-food store one time it was a little pricey though. You can also find it in hardware stores sold as 'hydrated lime', but check the MSDS for that product and make sure there is nothing unwanted in it.
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Shrabbit, Which tek do you prefer with calcium hydroxide? I've had some yield issues in the past compared to sodium hydroxide. The latter seems to work much better for me.
 
Actually I've never used it in a tek. I bought it a few years ago when I was experimenting with entheogens, and needed it for making Cebil snuff (not a fun idea BTW).

I imagine you might need a little more calcium hydroxide than you would sodium hydroxide to reach the same pH (not sure on this though), that is why I recommended pH papers.

10 cups (about 2.4 liters) of water, plus 1/4 cup (about 60 ml) of calcium hydroxide; will give you a pH of ~12.5, which should be sufficient to freebase the DMT.
(Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm only about 93% sure on this)
 
Hmmm... it doesn't seem this user interface allows me to reply to specific posts?

I guess I wasn't clear on why I don't wanna be buying lye. I cultivate Cubensis pretty much year-round. Even if I had the lye near my sinks and bathrooms, I'm pretty sure the DEA wouldn't mind switching from searching for meth to busting me for cultivation. Damn police state bull-shit. :lol:

As such, I use hydrated lime all the time for casing material. I have a couple pounds of it in my closet right now. I had read yield will drop significantly by using hydrated lime instead of NaOH, however. 🤷 I've only taken up to Gen Chem II in college, without the labs, so I'm not nearly as well versed as I should be to start swapping things out without first gaining significant approval from others about what happens. I also know from experience hydrated lime is not easily soluble in water, so I'd need to know how to get around that one as well.

Thank you very much for all of the input, folks. Please keep it coming, I very much appreciate it. Are there any teks using hydrated lime around here I could have access to? I'll be getting MHRB from a very reputable source, word-of-mouth advertising, so it'll be great starting product, and others have reported up to 3% yield by weight from this stuff using lye. I'd like to approach that, if at all possible. It seemed to me an A/B method would be better for dissolving the DMT as opposed to STB, if using another base other than NaOH.

...one other thing - I had read in a post earlier yesterday on here that I can take sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) and turn it into sodium carbonate by baking on high for about 2hrs? Is this accurate? If any of you can steer my to some links about that, I'd appreciate it as well. Otherwise, I'm bound to stumble onto it anyway. I assume all of this stuff is outlined in explicit detail around this site somewhere. Just gotta dig around. ;)

EDIT_I found some info on the conversion here. ;)

Thanks again, all! :)
 
a1pha said:
From my experience, you can't simply swap out sodium hydroxide for calcium hydroxide (for example Norman's tek but with lime) -- Yields will be significantly impacted.

It would be much better to go with something like "Amor fati's Nontoxic Approach to Spice Extraction".
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Thank you very much, alpha! This is a great start. I figured the information would be out there somewhere. I'll read through that link pronto. ;)
 
Shrabbit420 said:
Actually I've never used it in a tek. I bought it a few years ago when I was experimenting with entheogens, and needed it for making Cebil snuff (not a fun idea BTW).

I imagine you might need a little more calcium hydroxide than you would sodium hydroxide to reach the same pH (not sure on this though), that is why I recommended pH papers.

10 cups (about 2.4 liters) of water, plus 1/4 cup (about 60 ml) of calcium hydroxide; will give you a pH of ~12.5, which should be sufficient to freebase the DMT.
(Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm only about 93% sure on this)
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I'd need to double-check, but I'm fairly certain the Ph of hydrated lime is 11, so that's the absolute highest it could possibly be in solution. I'll look into that and get back to you.

EDIT_ It took some digging, but it looks like I was wrong, and you were correct - an aqueous solution saturated with hydrated lime will yield a Ph of about. 12.454 :D
 
I knew that part was right, I was wondering if that level of pH is high enough to freebase all the DMT or not? I think it is, but i might be slightly mistaken and maybe its somewhere closer to 13-14 (I know 14 is high enough, because that's as far as ph goes)
 
So it sounds like what you're looking for is one of the dryteks (1,2). They both use Calcium Hydroxide, which can actually be found online at many culinary websites (everyone says it's available in canning sections, but SWIM has visited every canning section within 20 miles during 3 different seasons, and they never had it).

CaOH has a very poor water solubility, which is why you use a drytek, as opposed to something like what shrabbit suggested above.

Welcome to the Nexus!

Edit: oops, missed that a1pha had linked to one of them already.
 
faceyneck said:
I guess I wasn't clear on why I don't wanna be buying lye. I cultivate Cubensis pretty much year-round. Even if I had the lye near my sinks and bathrooms, I'm pretty sure the DEA wouldn't mind switching from searching for meth to busting me for cultivation. Damn police state bull-shit. :lol:
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I'm still confused as to why you can't get lye. If the DEA busts through your door, they will probably be far more interested in the fields of mushrooms growing in your house than the lye by your sink (unless you have an active DMT extraction taking place - in which case the lime will be just as bad as lye. They don't really care what chemicals you're extracting with - just that you're extracting.)

There are plenty of reasons why someone would want to go with a drytek - but this doesn't seem to be one of them (if your cautious).
 
If you choose Q21Q21's tek you get a simple and hard-to-mess-up tek that is lye-free and high-yielding.

For the first timer tek 2 is probably more advised because it is a little easier and the product is smoke-able as-is

PM if you have questions that are not mentioned in the tek. If the question is clearly mentioned I will refer you to the tek.
 
a1pha said:
faceyneck said:
I guess I wasn't clear on why I don't wanna be buying lye. I cultivate Cubensis pretty much year-round. Even if I had the lye near my sinks and bathrooms, I'm pretty sure the DEA wouldn't mind switching from searching for meth to busting me for cultivation. Damn police state bull-shit. :lol:
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I'm still confused as to why you can't get lye. If the DEA busts through your door, they will probably be far more interested in the fields of mushrooms growing in your house than the lye by your sink (unless you have an active DMT extraction taking place - in which case the lime will be just as bad as lye. They don't really care what chemicals you're extracting with - just that you're extracting.)

There are plenty of reasons why someone would want to go with a drytek - but this doesn't seem to be one of them (if your cautious).
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No, cultivating the mushrooms is WHY I don't want to by lye Online. Like I said, they'd be interested in the shrooms at that point, which is precisely why I can't be raising suspicion whatsoever of LEO. :lol:
 
q21q21 said:
If you choose Q21Q21's tek you get a simple and hard-to-mess-up tek that is lye-free and high-yielding.

For the first timer tek 2 is probably more advised because it is a little easier and the product is smoke-able as-is

PM if you have questions that are not mentioned in the tek. If the question is clearly mentioned I will refer you to the tek.
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Thank you very much for your help!

I'm pretty damn thorough when learning things, as I have a philosophy degree, so any questions I'd have would be few and far between, assuming the tek is well-written.

I'll check it out and get back to you. ;)

Thanks again. 🙇
 
Ellis D'Empty said:
Then... simply do a dry tek... There are plenty of them around the site, a few on the wiki....
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Is this a dry tek?

I'm looking for a way to make clear-to-yellowish crystals without lye, ideally.

Thanks for the input, guys.
 
q21q21 said:
If you choose Q21Q21's tek you get a simple and hard-to-mess-up tek that is lye-free and high-yielding.

For the first timer tek 2 is probably more advised because it is a little easier and the product is smoke-able as-is

PM if you have questions that are not mentioned in the tek. If the question is clearly mentioned I will refer you to the tek.
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That tek left very little to be explained. Nice write-up!


Okay, I read through the whole thing, and the only question I can come up with, anyone is free to chime in about:

I've read that extremely alkaline solutions can cause significant weakening of glass containers. Is it such that I need to throw away the vessels I use for basification after a certain number of uses? I think it would suck to lose all that MHRB due to a glass container shattering. :(
 
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