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The Amazing Human Mongoose had been experimenting, partying, and researching with/about psychedelics for a few years now. And has always been worried about the prospect of prosecution. :?

His friend...that's me 😉 ...was also worried, because I have been interested in applied psychiatry, shamanic practise, and alchemical traditions for a long long time. And as such, I was intending to engage in an ayahuasca ceremony with some close friends (we are UK nationals btw).

Being the clever little bookworm that I am...I decided the best thing to do was some research. 😉

DMT (unfortunately) is categorised as a 'Class A' drug (God damn, I hate that word) under the 'Misuse of Drugs Act' (1971). :cry:

However...there are no restrictions on the ingredients for ayahuasca (Banisteriopsis caapi, Psychotria viridis, and others). There are also no legal restrictions on the brewing of ayahuasca. There are no legal restrictions on posessing or supplying ayahuasca at all whatsoever. :shock:

The law seems to be against the extraction, posession, and supply of pure DMT and (bizarrely enough) has no interest whatsoever in the restriction of the holy ayahuasca or it's ingredients. :lol:

HUZZAH!!! :d

Having said this...if the holy ayahuasca became a well known and more accessible potion to the indiscreet and foolish...legal issues could arise. So the old phrase, "keep it under your hat", applies here 😉

I look forward to experiencing the magic of ayahuasca, and am so grateful for legal loopholes :)

Feliz tiempos por las shamanes inglésas :d
 
Welcome to the forums!!!

You're almost right re the legality of ayahuasca, however when you boil in water you in effect make a water extraction of dmt. Granted, it is a crude extraction but an extraction nevertheless.

Imagine this; police raids and you're half way boiling your soup. You basically make an acid extract that (depending on charges a prosecutor may want to press) can be used in an A/B to make a pure extract. In addition, there're some grey areas about preparing something for human consumption, so preparing aya to drink (as opposed to preparing aya as a dyestuff/fertiliser/insecticide/whatever) may call for charges.

In any way, these are almost never issues in UK where most prosecutors are not really bothered too much about dmt and where a good lawyer can easily sort things out. They are more interested in weed, diamor and coke. There had been a case where dmt, as well as an extraction-in-progress was described as "novelty drug" and charges were not pressed.
 
Infundibulum said:
There had been a case where dmt, as well as an extraction-in-progress was described as "novelty drug" and charges were not pressed.

wow, are you serious? was this as in an aya "extraction" or a proper dmt extraction? I'd be feeling pretty lucky to ge away with being caught doing that! :)
 
All the information I've seen so far has said that, regardless of the fact that the brewing of aya is in fact a water extraction, it is not subject to the same restrictions as the extraction of pure DMT crystals :) This probably makes pharmahuasca a lot more legally sensitive than the holy ayahuasca :)

In actual fact...there are workshops in London for those interested in shamanic practises, and the ritual imbibing of ayahuasca :D None of these have had to suffer legal battles as far as I am aware. The spiritual context seems to show that it is used with great reverence and respect. Seeing as the AOP (act of parliament) is dealing with the 'misuse of drugs' the ayahuasca is not covered due to it's tradition of being a strictly non-recreational medicine and holy sacrament :)

The difference between ayahuasca and something like...say...mushrooms or mescaline is that they have a well publicised and recent history of being used recreationally rather than strictly (more or less) a psychotherapeutic or spiritual context...even though that was how they were used long ago.

As much as the 20th century was awesome for new technology, great music, theatre, art, cinema, and 'awakening' of consciousness...the downside of that has been the legal restriction of our most belovéd and effective medicines. I thank 'the source' for protecting ayahuasca from legal restriction in the UK and keeping it hidden from those who do not show it the respect that it is due.

Cup of tea dears? :D
 
I know this as I know that no vendors have been prosecuted for selling aya ingredients. It all has to do with how police works; basically they do not enquire something unless a complain is made and in the case of aya one will not really hear any complain. With complain I mean some anonymous tip or neighbours getting suspicious over crazy sounds in the middle of the night from the next flat, too much traffic in the house, whatever.

The point is that they can press charges to anyone preparing aya if they wish; it is simply because it involves a class A substance. But the fact that this substance is very low in their list plus there no complains from other people as well, police and prosecutors do not really bother too much.
 
The amazing human mongoose plans upon partaking of the ayahuasca brew with some close (and trustworthy) friends in a forest near his home. One of which is experienced in the preparation and use of ayahuasca, and most of the others have experienced DMT before. This will be the amazing human mongoose's first experience with the spirit molecule.

Soz Mendblade ;) Din't see you there ^_^ Thanks for your welcome :)

Having had another look at the 'Misuse of Drugs ACt' (1971) the legality is ambiguous...but nowhere in the act does it mention decoctions of plants containing controlled chemicals. It defines DMT as a controlled substance. The word 'substance' implies tangibility, which cannot be applied to a chemical present within a plant.

Here's what Erowid had to say on the subject concerning UN international law...

 
I recall of a group in the south using ayahuasca for a frequent ceremony who were raided and charged for dispensing a class A substance, but I never found out the outcome. It was a couple who lived on a farm who were conducting the ceremonies, yet I can't remember exactly where or any names. I just remember signing the petition, maybe 2-3 years ago.

Anyway, the bottom line is, be careful.

I'll search through my emails, where I think I received this information and post back with the info if I can find it.
 
Thanks for the heads-up soulfood. I saw something on how the law defines 'substances' and it reads like plant decoctions aren't covered unless the plants themselves are named.

Whatever...it's sacred stuff. If it's legal or not it's not gonna stop people doing it. The fact of the matter is that if there are shaman workshops (a.k.a businesses) in London which can use aya as part of their practice...chances are that prosecution doesn't happen.

The laws of man are secondary to the laws of nature and the divine to be quite honest :D
 
sunshineandsmiles said:
I saw something on how the law defines 'substances' and it reads like plant decoctions aren't covered unless the plants themselves are named.
How about this; you make a decoction out of carrot, then throw some lsd inside (class A substance). You then distribute it around, eventually something happens, police comes, and the prosecutor says, nah, it's carrot juice, just take the guy out?

Not quite; they will analyse it and then claim that you spiked it with lsd. It is the same with an aya decoction. You could had slipped the dmt inside, or it could have come from the plant, in any case there's a possibility to be charged.

Bottom line is that they can press charges if they want. It is a "grey" area of the law anyway. Officials can circumvent and bend laws to their own liking just as we (or a good lawyer) can do the same. And since it is a grey area people should be a bit more careful, basically act sanely (as opposed to getting out and shouting IT MAKES YOU TRIP AND IT's LEGAL, SO NO PROBLEM!!!:d )
 
sunshineandsmiles said:
Having said this...if the holy ayahuasca became a well known and more accessible potion to the indiscreet and foolish...legal issues could arise. So the old phrase, "keep it under your hat", applies here 😉

Was this not sufficient to calm your worries?
 
sunshineandsmiles said:
sunshineandsmiles said:
Having said this...if the holy ayahuasca became a well known and more accessible potion to the indiscreet and foolish...legal issues could arise. So the old phrase, "keep it under your hat", applies here 😉

Was this not sufficient to calm your worries?
You couldn't have been more right - humble apologies, I missed that part.
 
It's cool. :)

It's an interesting topic no? Hopefully one day the governments will see sense and the legislation will reflect the science :D

These medicines should be treated as such...not demonised by politicians that don't have a clue. ;)

Having said that...there's a certain degree of romanticism about the 'underground' which I find quite cosy :)
 
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