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[fry]

hello all, I'm terribly confused.
my intro to dmt was with multiple failed ACRB extractions using thick lights tek that left me with a noxious waxy material that didn't seem to be very active at all (.3g added to .2g of caapi leaf did almost nothing but leave me gasping for air).

recently I acquired 250g of mhrb, I was so excited, the extraction is going great producing dense slightly yellow crystals as we speak.

I just evaporated the first pull and scrapped up .1 and added a few drops of acetone then added .1 of cappi and let dry for a few hours.

the first hit I took as slow as I could as the ember spread - slight tingle ,rush of excitement
count to 5 and exhale

second hit was much thicker and not drawn on as slowly- a loud buzzing sound like it was coming towards me and a very strange body sensation
I attempted to count but I was just saying numbers after about 3, I don't remember exhaling.

I think I closed my eyes mid second hit..
not long after I felt I needed to purge but haven't eaten in about 12 hours, im kinda hungry.

I opened my eyes and.. my living room was red and yellow and convulsing,, shifting, morphing and just going crazy, I'm not new to psychedelics or heavy doses but this was almost scary so I closed my eyes to escape and there were no CEV's only complete darkness even though I'm in a sun lit room.

by this time I was fighting to not purge, sitting doubled over in my chair afraid to open my eyes.
I kept thinking over and over About how big a waste of time and effort this all was to feel like this.

I don't know how common this is to feel sick but the first time I felt anything on this was with a crude extract I got from one of the first pulls from the ACRB I blacked out and vomited on myself.

is it common to get nauseous?
I never do normally from substances or motion.

 

[Felnik]

You might need to let your stuff dry longer , in the past
I've found a few hours to be insufficient .
In the future use a fan overnight at least . Not
Worth pushing it in my opinion. Patience is effective .

That may not be the issue just a suggestion .
I used to get nauseous in the beginning until I learned
How to better vape it and Also make cleaner extractions .
Try adding mullein to the blend next time makes it much less harsh .

 

[fry]

thanks, I do hope its my impatience, that would make sense because the first time it was not as far as it probably could have dried, both times were shortly after the smell dissipated.

I have no way to vape it so I planned to just make changa and slowly let the cherry burn it up.

 

[○]

As Felnik said, let her dry overnight. What ratio are you making/going to make the changa/enhanced leaf? A 1:1 ratio is your best bet.

Put changa is bong/pipe, hold lighter over the mound of changa for 5-10 seconds waving it back in forth to melt the dmt down a little further, so that when you cherry the top of the mound you won't be burning much DMT. Once it's cherry'd, drag it REAL slow and drawn out, taking big hits. First one hold 10-15 seconds, exhale, then repeat, taking how many ever hits you need to, with the last hit hold it as long as you can, or until everything dissolves before your eyes.

I always find that after the first or second hit, when everything starts to really ramp up, and I figure I can't take any more hits, I always take one more hit to solidify my journey.

Just put a good sized mound of changa/enhanced leaf in there, and do the above, and I can pretty much guarantee that you'll be having a proper experience.

:thumb_up:

much love,
tat

 

[fry]

thanks for the advice, I have been doing a 1:1 with caapi leaves.
also I have basically been smoking it like any other herb, its taking that 1 more hit I think I'm also missing

I have a 60mg sandwiched in ashes that I'm apprehensive to smoke after this morning, but it's well dried and should be a good run.

 

[fry]

my new batch of changa is done and well dried, Im quite pleased to say the nausea is gone.

but I still can't seem to break through on 100mg of 1:1 changa, I just had a strange trip, everything had a camouflage type shading to it , I don't think I got enough so Im about to try 150mg.

also, Do any of you get an overpowering urge to shower after an experience?
almost every time I have attempted a breakthrough I felt.. not dirty, but as if I should take a shower.

 

[Jin]

also, Do any of you get an overpowering urge to shower after an experience?
almost every time I have attempted a breakthrough I felt.. not dirty, but as if I should take a shower.

yes taking a shower after the experience is awesome

 

[olympus mon]

Fry, why are you weighing your changa dose? I simply load up a fat bowl as if it was canabis and take a big ole hit, put the pipe down and wait. If i didn't breakthrough, next time I take 2 large hits, put pipe down wand wait. So on and so forth just use the same pipe each time for consistency.

You don't ave to smoke every last bit of what you pack, but its nice to have ot loaded heavy so if you need another hit its there waiting.

Counting hits IMO is a much easier sure fire method to breaking through. Ime dosages for freebase dont apply the same with changa. In other words 60 mg of 1 to 1 changa isnt as strong as 30mg freebase in a vaporizer. The only downside of changa is you burn through ypur stash faster but for me its way worth it.

 

[fry]

Im still quite new to this substance, to be honest im not sure if I like it yet, mostly just been weird, no euphoria or anything yet.

I recently set up a gravity bong that works wonderfully and I was trying to just experience a breakthrough, but the closest I have come is basically blacking out

I find low doses uncomfortable until the come down then it will feel a lot like the come down from mushrooms, but I had been counting hits prior to making a gravity bong, by the time my ears start ringing I have no urge or will to hit it again, one fat rip off the gravity bong and im feeling it before I sit back, hold for 10 count or until numbers loose meaning, then Ill black out for a few minutes and wake up confused as to why im tripping soo hard.
I smoked all my changa last night and probably won't make more till tonight so Ill try again in a few days.

I don't even care to see an entity yet, i just want to experience hyperspace..

 

[olympus mon]

Well its certainly not for everybody and I wouldn't say DMT has a standard euphoria at all.

If you want to breakthough your gonna have to puff tuff my friend. No dilly dallying. Load a small bong with a heafty bowl of changa and rip a fatty tube! I assure your a breakthough mate.

Read my signature and go to that link

 

[Michal_R]

...and I wouldn't say DMT has a standard euphoria at all...

:lol:

This is a very correct statement, I would say. DMT just isn´t the most reliable method for inducing euphoria (stimulants may be better suited for this, if this is what you seek). Euphoria on DMT can happen, but not necessarily.

What DMT taught me is "expect nothing, because anything can happen"

 

[○]

...and I wouldn't say DMT has a standard euphoria at all...

:lol:

This is a very correct statement, I would say. DMT just isn´t the most reliable method for inducing euphoria (stimulants may be better suited for this, if this is what you seek). Euphoria on DMT can happen, but not necessarily.

What DMT taught me is "expect nothing, because anything can happen"

I agree with the above. there's normally not much in the way of euphoria initially. During quite a few experiencee ive felt/experienced a boundless euphoria that is, imo, hard to match, if at all. Like an orgasmic pool of feeling, a state of supreme aliveness. The heavy pressure that's experienced initially transforms into something beyond words. Quite a few times, coming back from an experience, I would be bouncing off the walls euphoric mixed with a serenity that's impossible to describe.

Aside from those select experiences, I would also agree with the above, that the DMT experience, is not intrinsically euphoric nor does it promise an every-time-euphoric-plunge. If DMT does one thing consistently each time is that it shows how weird and surreal life is, and the complete mystery of it all.

much love all,
tat

 

[olympus mon]

Aside from those select experiences, I would also agree with the above, that the DMT experience, is not intrinsically euphoric nor does it promise an every-time-euphoric-plunge. If DMT does one thing consistently each time is that it shows how weird and surreal life is, and the complete mystery of it all.

much love all,
tat

WELL SAID! This put into words exactly what I was thinking. :thumb_up:

 

[fry]

all I know is what I read in trip reports, maybe im just reading the good ones but that's the vibe I got.
guess im in for a bigger surprise than I planned for.

mixing up some 10x caapi changa, maybe this will help if I take a few warm ups and/or smoke a bowl of just 10x caapi prior.
just since I have used a gravity bong I dont think Ill go any other direction beside maybe a vape eventually

also, is it common to almost instantly regret smoking deems?
my first thought as my ears start to ring in usually l
along the lines of " maybe I shouldn't have done that"

sorry for asking so many questions, I wish I could contribute more but every time I see a post I could help on Im not able to post, but I understand why, to a degree.

 

[Michal_R]

also, is it common to almost instantly regret smoking deems?
my first thought as my ears start to ring in usually l
along the lines of " maybe I shouldn't have done that"

This reaction is not that uncommon (read some "bad trip" reports here on the Nexus). It also seems that these things sometimes happen to experiences travellers as well.

There is always a certian degree of "risk" presenr with DMT, perhaps because it is not really possible to predict exactly what will happen after you blast off... I believe that the nature of the trip can be to some degree directed by carefully pre-arranging set and setting, but there is always this "please don´t hurt me", and "please be nice to me this time" feeling, at least for me personally.

Its up to each explorer to make a private decision for themeselves whether this "risk" is worth it or not. But let´s not forget Terence McKenna who once said that "nature loves courage"

 

[fry]

nicely put, I must be subconsciously only reading good trip reports.

I don't think I'll ever get over that feeling, no matter how excited I am going in, I get the same " oh crap!" feeling.

but its good to know im not the only one, always been a fan of heavy doses,but this stuff is a whole other world though.

 

[Felnik]

It took me a long time to get used to it . There was something
In it that kept me coming back regardless of
How weird it got Though . It must be what people that handle
Dangerous wild animals might feel in the beginning .

I suggest stop reading all reports for a while and start
Dealing with it on your own terms . The more you read other
People's stories the more you build expectation . It's actually
Better to have no expectation.

 

[○]

Your right. You'll never 'get used' to the pre flight anxiety nor will you get used to that initial comeon, that 'feeling/sensation' that takes over early on and typically lasts throughout a good portion of the experience. That heavy, weighted, coursing sensation/visual perception that builds and builds and builds. You'll think you can't go any further, that this is just all too much, but more times than not, you'll be happy you went through this psychospiritual gauntlet. One thing I've always learned is that....you can go much deeper than you had previously thought. It comes down to just accepting whats transpiring and 'let go'. The 'ohh crap, now I've done it, and im not coming back' thought/feeling is an all too common thing, especially with us veterans.

much love,
tat