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Grand visions, but no breakthrough

harald25

harald25

Rising Star
Hi!
The previous week me and two friends have been on a quest to extract and smoke DMT.
None of us had ever tried extracting or smoking this divine stuff before, so we where very excited.
The extraction went well, and after 3 days we measured 2,5grams of rubber-smelling yellow powder.

We all wanted to be well prepared for this journey, and we spent the week playing music, painting, watching the moon-eclipse, meditating and relaxing.
We decided to journey to hyperspace on Saturday, and we each ate 4grams of psilocybin mushrooms on Friday.
During this psilocybin trip I saw visions of paintings to be painted and heard music to be made.
All in all I felt very calm and relaxed after this, and I felt more ready than ever to journey to hyperspace the next day.

I now know that it probably was stupid to do psilocybin mushrooms the day before smoking DMT. It simply didn't occur to me at the time that the psilocybin tolerance would affect my DMT experience.

Saturday came, and we loaded up a tiny amount of DMT on our glass bong.
I was the first to test it, and I took one medium hit.
After a short while I felt energy building up in my body. It was as though my cells had started to vibrate really fast.
All the sounds around me fused and became one single humming noise instead.
The bricks that made up the wall I was looking at started morphing into each other slightly, and then it stopped as fast as it had started.

After everyone had tried a small test-hit we decided to move sun beds out in the garden instead of sitting inside on such a beautiful day.
We each tried to reach hyperspace three times, but none of us felt like they had a breakthrough.
At the most I did to hits, as large as I could possibly take, but I still didn't feel like I broke through.
Here's the best description I can give of my experiences:
After hitting the bong twice, I felt the enormous amounts of energy rushing through me and I lay down on the sun bed.
My vision was filled with the most beautifully colored patterns I have ever seen. Constantly changing, but always perfect in some sense.
I got a feeling that all this was coming from something, and we later named this something "the mightyness".
While watching these patters I controlled my breath, but I totally forgot the rest of my material body.
After 3-5 minutes(I think at least) I opened my eyes, and the nature around med looked stunningly beautiful.
I could see exactly how the clouds where shaped, and the sky had the most brilliant blue/white gradient color to it.

After our attempts we discussed our experiences and concluded that we should postpone further testing to the next day.
By this time we had guessed that our psilocybin-trip from the day before might be affecting the effect of the DMT.
None of us felt like breaking through, and from all the descriptions I've read on the Internet I am certain there is more to experience.
So we went for a walk to the ocean, listened to the waves crashing on to land.
Went home, smoked some cannabis and played a game of RISK, and went to bed early.

The next day we rigged up the living room for new attempts, and decided to do more hits, and hold the smoke for as long as we could.
We each did three tries this day too. With increasing amounts for each try.
The effects was the same as the day before, but much stronger.
I saw patterns resembling those from my previous attempts, but this time they had a slightly different quality to them.
I once again felt like the patterns where coming from something. But this time it felt like this something was my opposite.
I vaguely remembered Terence McKenna saying that DMT was somehow erotic, and I think I can understand what he meant by that.
It was my female opposite showing herself to me. She didn't resemble anything human or familiar though.
I was like she was dancing in front of me, always changing color and pattern. Sending me feelings of love and compassion.
When I opened my eyes the world looked so magical I was completely amazed. The trees outside the window looked like they where stretching out to touch me.
Everything looked so sharp and clear I almost couldn't believe it. And slowly it all faded away.
Afterwards I felt rested like after a good nights sleep. My mood was high up in the sky, and during the last bit of the experience I couldn't do anything but smile.

This didn't feel like a breakthrough either after reading about other peoples experience.
But I didn't feel like I would get anything more out of the DMT that day. I remember saying to my buddies after this last journey "well, that was as intense as I want it to be for now".
They agreed, and we decided to save the rest for a time we where 100% certain no other psychedelic would cause cross-tolerance.


I feel like these experiences, both the psilocybin and the DMT, have given me some new goals.
I feel compelled to paint, draw or photograph anything that can at least vaguely resemble what I experienced the last week.
 
I find trying to breakthrough is or can be counterproductive, there is a lot more to the experience yes and going in with assumptions of exactly what that is will be far from what happens when the time comes IMO its better to just be open that to expect, and reading about experiences is OK but truly words don't or can't give the breakthrough experience justice.

Good luck with your future journeys and remember don't try force it, just give in without expectations.
 
ewok said:
I find trying to breakthrough is or can be counterproductive, there is a lot more to the experience yes and going in with assumptions of exactly what that is will be far from what happens when the time comes IMO its better to just be open that to expect, and reading about experiences is OK but truly words don't or can't give the breakthrough experience justice.

Good luck with your future journeys and remember don't try force it, just give in without expectations.
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I believe you on that one!
I've understood the importance of not "forcing it" when tripping on mushrooms, and on the last round of DMT I felt like I really just let everything happen.
It was quite wonderful, and to just think of the possibility of there being more makes me so incredibly curious.
That said, I don't take this lightly at all. I know that this is nothing to play with.

One thing I'll do before my next journey is trying to have a goal for the trip. Not just "I'm gonna break through".
 
How exactly are you smoking it out of your bong? Are you using screens? a mesh? an herb bed? an ash bed? Make sure not to apply direct flame to the DMT and hold in your hits as long as you can. If you know all this, I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but I'm just trying to rule out as much as I can. I'd actually doubt that your mushroom trip interfered with a shot you had at a breakthrough the next day. Breakthroughs can be very difficult to achieve for many. If you look around the nexus, you'll see that there are a plethora of people who struggle with it. Personally I don't think I got my first breakthrough until like six months into regular experimenting. Try not to be discouraged though. Breakthrough experiences are often harder to remember and integrate than sub-breakthrough experiences where one can really take in what's going on much better (not always, just a tendency I've noticed).
 
So, you saw the chrysanthemum. It is beautiful, alive, perfect, and evolving. Terrence McKenna says, "If the chrysanthemum does not give way in about 15 seconds, you just didn't do enough." It may not be this simple for everyone, but it certainly is for me. Once I see the very vibrant chrysanthemum, I have to quickly take in another hit or so. Eventually it dissolves until I have entered another realm. When I have gotten this far out, if I take a peek at the world around me with my eyes open, even it dissolves into this patterning. I shut my eyes, take in another hit, and I'm out.

I've had two break through experiences, and I'll agree with posts above. Don't chase it too much, but I have found that you can force yourself through if you try. I'm only going on my own experience, though.

The vast majority of my spice experiences are definitely sub-breakthrough. I often get exactly what I needed at this level.
 
Global said:
How exactly are you smoking it out of your bong? Are you using screens? a mesh? an herb bed? an ash bed? Make sure not to apply direct flame to the DMT and hold in your hits as long as you can. If you know all this, I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but I'm just trying to rule out as much as I can. I'd actually doubt that your mushroom trip interfered with a shot you had at a breakthrough the next day. Breakthroughs can be very difficult to achieve for many. If you look around the nexus, you'll see that there are a plethora of people who struggle with it. Personally I don't think I got my first breakthrough until like six months into regular experimenting. Try not to be discouraged though. Breakthrough experiences are often harder to remember and integrate than sub-breakthrough experiences where one can really take in what's going on much better (not always, just a tendency I've noticed).
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I've discovered several "errors" in our method of administration after reading several posts here on the nexus.
I never thought a breakthrough was going to be hard to achieve :p
Actually, I kind of always imagined taking "too little" wouldn't be possible.

One error, as you point out, is direct flame.
We probably burned away some of our DMT by applying direct flame to it.
We also didn't use a herb or ash bed, but instead loaded the DMT directly into the bowl of the bong, using a mesh in the bottom of the bowl.
The one thing we did do right though was holding the hits for as long as we could.

We have a volcano vaporizer that I plan on using the next time we try.
Would you recommend this way of ingestion?
I imagine it must be easier to get as many hits as possible when all the vaped DMT is ready for inhalation in a bag.

Btw, I'm not insulted. I'm always happy to learn! =)
 
Eeek, yeah, never apply flame directly to the spice. Sandwiched between other plant material works really well. Or you can make some changa, which I highly recommend, because it is so versatile.

Vaping should work. Most folks around here recommend glass vapor genies, but I have no experience with them. I just do changa and it works like a charm.
 
Found everyone's posts here about sub-breakthrough experience to be helpful.
I recently found some DMT, (two days after I felt I began to hear the calling) and have been holding onto it. I at first thought I should go immediatly for a breakthrough but over the last few days have slowly decided that it's probably not the best approach.
I now think I'll test the waters first with a sub dose, make "The machine" pipe, and attempt it that way out in my favorite spot in the woods.
I'm still intergrating my last trip, which is what initiated the calling, so I'll give it a lil more time but I think I'll be trying out the spice very soon.

Much love guys, n thanks for sharin your perspective with me.
And I'm right here with ya harald, its all about testing the waters.
 
HermeticShaman said:
Eeek, yeah, never apply flame directly to the spice. Sandwiched between other plant material works really well. Or you can make some changa, which I highly recommend, because it is so versatile.

Vaping should work. Most folks around here recommend glass vapor genies, but I have no experience with them. I just do changa and it works like a charm.
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Changa sounds really interesting.
I will try that out as soon as I have time.
I actually happen to have three Silene Capensis growing in my green house, so I'm thinking of infusing some capensis leaves.

These are exciting times!
I'm very much looking forward to future journeys =)
 
I'd recommend getting some screens. Some headshops give them away for free. I usually pay $1 for 10. Try like 6-7 screens maybe and an ash bed. You wanna keep the flame hovering above the bowl head, sucking down the hot air. Don't be discouraged if it takes a little bit to get the smoke going. It's one of the drawbacks I find in this method, but it should really help to improve your experience if you can not burn it and prevent all the DMT from running off with the ash and screens.
 
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